Mass migration into Europe is only accelerating!

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I'd rather call a spade a spade. It's about introducing another religion into a culture that has just about resolved the problems of another.

I question this part a bit. As an analogy, there was a study in Texas about capital punishment. It found that when legally killing people [death penalty] is higher, lynching goes down considerably and when legally killing people is lower, lynching people goes way up. Perhaps the analogy is to war and imperialism. When we bring the level of legal killings [war and "national emergencies"] down against other countries, maybe lynchings, mercenaries, and vigilante "justice" against non-Americans or non-Christians at home will increase considerably. The point is that maybe they're under control here because their efforts are being directed elsewhere and if that goes away, suddenly, domestically we are way worse off.

 

[laughing dog]

Are you referring to the estimated 11 million people ? A number that has fallen recently and represents a long history of inflow. 11 million compared to a population over 310 million is not much. So it is not a flood by any reasonable interpretation of the term "flood".

2) The reality is our measures against illegals are enough to keep it below the level of inundating the first world.

Your argument is akin to "we don't need this dam, there haven't been any floods in some time".

No, my argument is a simple recognition of the reality along with a refusal to bow to hysterical nativism.

Pulling the race card doesn't answer the issue (Nativism).

No one pulled the race card, so what you talking about?

The vetting system should allow the country to absorb reasonable amounts of migrants plus refugees as allocated. The only hysteria I see is when I see signs borne by people in pink pussycat hats which read No human is illegal.

The US has a right also to expel terrorists such as Rasmea Odeh a revolutionary member of the PFLP (who lied about her convictions to gain asylum in the USA and spread hate against in the US against the US, and any convicted criminals who are illegal.

Since there is a push to collapse all US borders and security, then we cannot tell how any illegals pour into the USA.

There is nothing in the response to which you replied that can reasonably be interpreted as advocating or addressing those issues. Nothing. So what on earth are you babbling about?

To accommodate more people in any country you need to build houses, hospitals, schools which cost US$billions.

To the Marxists and their marionettes as long as it's someone else's money, that's okay.

Now, I see why all the babbling - you need a structure to introduce your Marxist bogeyman.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Are you referring to the estimated 11 million people ? A number that has fallen recently and represents a long history of inflow. 11 million compared to a population over 310 million is not much. So it is not a flood by any reasonable interpretation of the term "flood".

2) The reality is our measures against illegals are enough to keep it below the level of inundating the first world.

Your argument is akin to "we don't need this dam, there haven't been any floods in some time".

No, my argument is a simple recognition of the reality along with a refusal to bow to hysterical nativism.

Pulling the race card doesn't answer the issue (Nativism).

No one pulled the race card, so what you talking about?

The vetting system should allow the country to absorb reasonable amounts of migrants plus refugees as allocated. The only hysteria I see is when I see signs borne by people in pink pussycat hats which read No human is illegal.

The US has a right also to expel terrorists such as Rasmea Odeh a revolutionary member of the PFLP (who lied about her convictions to gain asylum in the USA and spread hate against in the US against the US, and any convicted criminals who are illegal.

Since there is a push to collapse all US borders and security, then we cannot tell how any illegals pour into the USA.

There is nothing in the response to which you replied that can reasonably be interpreted as advocating or addressing those issues. Nothing. So what on earth are you babbling about?

To accommodate more people in any country you need to build houses, hospitals, schools which cost US$billions.

To the Marxists and their marionettes as long as it's someone else's money, that's okay.

Now, I see why all the babbling - you need a structure to introduce your Marxist bogeyman.

You only have to do the maths (or math in US) to know that if you send in more people then there are facilities, there there is a lack of facilities.

The Marxists of course I refer to are those running the women's strike board, 7 of whom are red. Rasmea Odeh who is one of the Gurus, agreed to deportation to Jordan rather than serve a 10 year jail sentence in the USA. This will leave only 6 revolutionary Marxists and only one with former links to terrorists

 

[Loren Pechtel]

1) We have 8 figures with illegals in the US, mostly third worlders. Is that not a flood?

Are you referring to the estimated 11 million people ? A number that has fallen recently and represents a long history of inflow. 11 million compared to a population over 310 million is not much. So it is not a flood by any reasonable interpretation of the term "flood".

2) The reality is our measures against illegals are enough to keep it below the level of inundating the first world.

Your argument is akin to "we don't need this dam, there haven't been any floods in some time".

No, my argument is a simple recognition of the reality along with a refusal to bow to hysterical nativism.

You are using the current situation as a model of what would happen without the current safeguards.

That is utterly invalid.

 

[laughing dog]

Are you referring to the estimated 11 million people ? A number that has fallen recently and represents a long history of inflow. 11 million compared to a population over 310 million is not much. So it is not a flood by any reasonable interpretation of the term "flood".

2) The reality is our measures against illegals are enough to keep it below the level of inundating the first world.

Your argument is akin to "we don't need this dam, there haven't been any floods in some time".

No, my argument is a simple recognition of the reality along with a refusal to bow to hysterical nativism.

You are using the current situation as a model of what would happen without the current safeguards.

That is utterly invalid.

I am doing no such thing. I am pointing out that your claim of there being a flood of illegal immigrants is unsupported by the data and basic reasoning.

 

[laughing dog]

You only have to do the maths (or math in US) to know that if you send in more people then there are facilities, there there is a lack of facilities.

That has nothing to do with the content of my response which was to point that there is no flood of immigrants,refugees and asylum seekers (either legal and/or illegal).

The Marxists of course I refer to are those running the women's strike board, 7 of whom are red. Rasmea Odeh who is one of the Gurus, agreed to deportation to Jordan rather than serve a 10 year jail sentence in the USA. This will leave only 6 revolutionary Marxists and only one with former links to terrorists

None of that has anything to do with the actual discussion about whether there is an actual flood of illegal or legal immigrants into the US. Please have your Marxitosis treated so it will stop infecting these threads.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

To accommodate more people in any country you need to build houses, hospitals, schools which cost US$billions.

Immigrants, almost by definition, stimulate and supply resources to do these things. Cost is as boggy man the fearful want to put in from of an obvious solution to existing problems.

Labor, yes. Tools and materials, no.

 

[untermensche]

Immigrants, almost by definition, stimulate and supply resources to do these things. Cost is as boggy man the fearful want to put in from of an obvious solution to existing problems.

Labor, yes. Tools and materials, no.

That is where tools and materials come from. Human labor.

That is where all real value originates.

 

[DrZoidberg]

It's tragic, but you're a big boy. You'll find a way to manage and get right back to the important business of being petrified of the needy.

No first world society can survive being flooded by all the third worlder's that would like to come.

USA seems to be doing all right? The entire nation consists of decedents of needy third worlders fleeing grinding poverty at home. And decedents of slaves. If they managed to absorb them back then when USA also was a third world nation they should certainly be able to do it today when USA is an advanced economy.

 

[untermensche]

This was an argument against the freeing of slaves.

We can't subject our great society to this trash by freeing these subhumans.

The motivations haven't really changed either.

Prejudice.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Are you referring to the estimated 11 million people ? A number that has fallen recently and represents a long history of inflow. 11 million compared to a population over 310 million is not much. So it is not a flood by any reasonable interpretation of the term "flood".

2) The reality is our measures against illegals are enough to keep it below the level of inundating the first world.

Your argument is akin to "we don't need this dam, there haven't been any floods in some time".

No, my argument is a simple recognition of the reality along with a refusal to bow to hysterical nativism.

Pulling the race card doesn't answer the issue (Nativism).

No one pulled the race card, so what you talking about?

The vetting system should allow the country to absorb reasonable amounts of migrants plus refugees as allocated. The only hysteria I see is when I see signs borne by people in pink pussycat hats which read No human is illegal.

The US has a right also to expel terrorists such as Rasmea Odeh a revolutionary member of the PFLP (who lied about her convictions to gain asylum in the USA and spread hate against in the US against the US, and any convicted criminals who are illegal.

Since there is a push to collapse all US borders and security, then we cannot tell how any illegals pour into the USA.

There is nothing in the response to which you replied that can reasonably be interpreted as advocating or addressing those issues. Nothing. So what on earth are you babbling about?

To accommodate more people in any country you need to build houses, hospitals, schools which cost US$billions.

To the Marxists and their marionettes as long as it's someone else's money, that's okay.

Now, I see why all the babbling - you need a structure to introduce your Marxist bogeyman.

Accusing people of Nativism is accusing them of Racism. British people come from all backgrounds. Poorer British people of all ethnic backgrounds are finding it difficult to obtain affordable housing. More people than we can accommodate is the cause.

By the say the best state government India ever had was an elected communist one in Kerala. Even now you will find most of the engineers from India come from that state. I believe it still have the best standard of healthcare.

 

[untermensche]

Accusing people of Nativism is accusing them of Racism. British people come from all backgrounds. Poorer British people of all ethnic backgrounds are finding it difficult to obtain affordable housing. More people than we can accommodate is the cause.

When was this not the case?

The poor always have trouble finding affordable housing.

Capitalism is all about trying to increase rents as high as possible.

 

[whichphilosophy]

That has nothing to do with the content of my response which was to point that there is no flood of immigrants,refugees and asylum seekers (either legal and/or illegal).

The Marxists of course I refer to are those running the women's strike board, 7 of whom are red. Rasmea Odeh who is one of the Gurus, agreed to deportation to Jordan rather than serve a 10 year jail sentence in the USA. This will leave only 6 revolutionary Marxists and only one with former links to terrorists

None of that has anything to do with the actual discussion about whether there is an actual flood of illegal or legal immigrants into the US. Please have your Marxitosis treated so it will stop infecting these threads.

I compared the UK to the USA. The USA currently owes US$20 trillion dollars. Economic reasons and security reasons are the only criteria. For non asylum seekers we must also look at job types.

Actually I think that the US could benefit from Marxism in terms of healthcare. Look at Castro Care. It only uses 10% of the GDP vs the USA 17% and it has a healthy society. The problem is around Militant Marxism and how it infiltrates education and civil rights groups. Being a minority it seeks to influence. Of course in a democracy this isn't a problem. At the same time it's good to know where agitation is coming from.

I will take an injection of Trumpits Vaccine to remove the Marxitosis. Or I can take an injection of Mild Socialist vaccine (like using dead cowpox virus to remove the risk of smallpox). Anyway I haven't attended communist meetings for a number of years.

 

[whichphilosophy]

No first world society can survive being flooded by all the third worlder's that would like to come.

USA seems to be doing all right? The entire nation consists of decedents of needy third worlders fleeing grinding poverty at home. And decedents of slaves. If they managed to absorb them back then when USA also was a third world nation they should certainly be able to do it today when USA is an advanced economy.

Can you fit in 1.2 people from India into Sweden. The logistics involves building schools, shops,and hospitals. Actually supermarket chains have grown because there are more people.

 

[untermensche]

The US invasion of Iraq is the root cause of all this migration.

It should be taking in most of these people fleeing war zones created by it's terrorism.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Accusing people of Nativism is accusing them of Racism. British people come from all backgrounds. Poorer British people of all ethnic backgrounds are finding it difficult to obtain affordable housing. More people than we can accommodate is the cause.

When was this not the case?

The poor always have trouble finding affordable housing.

Capitalism is all about trying to increase rents as high as possible.

I agree the problem is simply the quantity also. Singapore and China have built masses of affordable housing. In London a 1 bedroom council house costs £500 (approx)
As there is a shortage tenants go for subsidised private property which can cost 1,200.00 to £3,000.00. The government subsidises the extra cost.

Our structures of haves and have nots remain an issue. I think it starts with the bull chimp owning the wives. The lesser males get around this by finding a rare piece of fruit and offering it to one of the females (when the boss isn't looking) in exchange for sex. It seems we evolved prostitution but not equality.

 

[untermensche]

When was this not the case?

The poor always have trouble finding affordable housing.

Capitalism is all about trying to increase rents as high as possible.

I agree the problem is simply the quantity also. Singapore and China have built masses of affordable housing. In London a 1 bedroom council house costs £500 (approx)
As there is a shortage tenants go for subsidised private property which can cost 1,200.00 to £3,000.00. The government subsidises the extra cost.

Our structures of haves and have nots remain an issue. I think it starts with the bull chimp owning the wives. The lesser males get around this by finding a rare piece of fruit and offering it to one of the females (when the boss isn't looking) in exchange for sex. It seems we evolved prostitution but not equality.

Humans were never chimps but it does start with the most powerful human getting rights and privileges the others do not get, like the ability to have more mates and more children.

Then it moves to outright slavery.

Then a baby step further, wage slavery.

 

[laughing dog]

Accusing people of Nativism is accusing them of Racism. .....blah blah blah....

No, it is not, since immigrants may be of the same race.

 

[Jayjay]

No first world society can survive being flooded by all the third worlder's that would like to come.

USA seems to be doing all right? The entire nation consists of decedents of needy third worlders fleeing grinding poverty at home. And decedents of slaves. If they managed to absorb them back then when USA also was a third world nation they should certainly be able to do it today when USA is an advanced economy.

At the time of US founding and the brunt of its immigration, everybody was a third worlder living in grinding poverty by today's standards, so it hardly counts. Now the top 3 countries of origin are Mexico, China, and India. Hardly third-world, and those who are coming are not fleeing from grinding poverty because if they were, they wouldn't be able to afford the ticket (Mexico being the obvious exception).

 

[whichphilosophy]

Accusing people of Nativism is accusing them of Racism. .....blah blah blah....

No, it is not, since immigrants may be of the same race.

Well, I have 4 nationalities and my children have 5. I've worked and lived extensively in China and the Middle East. True as you say, immigrants are of all races.