Mass shooting at Madden tournament in Florida

[Tom Sawyer]

People in Canada, the EU, Asia and everywhere else play the same video games you play in the US. We shoot the same people, perform the same fatalities and beat the same prostitutes to death. It doesn't get translated into increased murders in RL (that's video game speak for real life), however, because those things aren't causal factors in increases in murders.

 

[Worldtraveller]

People in Canada, the EU, Asia and everywhere else play the same video games you play in the US. We shoot the same people, perform the same fatalities and beat the same prostitutes to death. It doesn't get translated into increased murders in RL (that's video game speak for real life), however, because those things aren't causal factors in increases in murders.

I'm pretty sure Bowling for Columbine pointed this out as well. The difference is entirely cultural, but the causes are nearly impossible to tease out.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Guy was mad about losing.

Sounds like an ultimate case of rage-quitting.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

People in Canada, the EU, Asia and everywhere else play the same video games you play in the US. We shoot the same people, perform the same fatalities and beat the same prostitutes to death. It doesn't get translated into increased murders in RL (that's video game speak for real life), however, because those things aren't causal factors in increases in murders.

I'm pretty sure Bowling for Columbine pointed this out as well. The difference is entirely cultural, but the causes are nearly impossible to tease out.

But the solution is fucking easy as shit to tease out. Make it a lot harder to get access to a gun.

The same crazy people have the same inappropriate negative reaction everywhere else in the world, but they lack the feeling of power and invincibility you get from holding a firearm, so they send a bitchy tweet about how the dumbassed newb they were playing against got lucky and they're totally going to pwn him next time.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

When I was a kid in the 50s 60s guns were easy to get. Mail Order no questions asked. It tightened up a bit after JFK was killed.

Guns today are much harder to get, yet we have a rising tide of massacres. Few in the media raise the question of a cultural basis. We are awash in violence 24/ in TV, movies, video games, and music. I watched a TV video game competition. You rack up points by killing. Killing is now entertainment.

Reaping what is sown seems to apply.

What I wonder is how many of them are due to antidepressants. It seems to be a rare side effect for some people.

Worth watching if you can find a source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08zjyp1

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

When I was a kid in the 50s 60s guns were easy to get. Mail Order no questions asked. It tightened up a bit after JFK was killed.

Guns today are much harder to get, yet we have a rising tide of massacres. Few in the media raise the question of a cultural basis. We are awash in violence 24/ in TV, movies, video games, and music. I watched a TV video game competition. You rack up points by killing. Killing is now entertainment.

Reaping what is sown seems to apply.

What I wonder is how many of them are due to antidepressants. It seems to be a rare side effect for some people.

Worth watching if you can find a source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08zjyp1

No anti-depressants in the EU or Canada?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

When I was a kid in the 50s 60s guns were easy to get. Mail Order no questions asked. It tightened up a bit after JFK was killed.

Guns today are much harder to get, yet we have a rising tide of massacres. Few in the media raise the question of a cultural basis. We are awash in violence 24/ in TV, movies, video games, and music. I watched a TV video game competition. You rack up points by killing. Killing is now entertainment.

Reaping what is sown seems to apply.

Yup! Agreed 100%. There is no violence in media in Europe (or Canada). They've been playing a washed down version of Pac-Man as their most violent video game in Japan for a few decades now.

Your sarcastic comment is actually somewhat true, but only as it applies to televised media, not necessarily video games. I think that the EU has a different rating system though, I need to look it up to be sure.

One of the things I noticed watching TV in the EU (mostly Germany) is that they don't censor a lot of the sex/love scenes that the US would completely cut out or heavily censor, but it's just the opposite for violence.

How much more violent really is US TV than EU TV?

 

[Worldtraveller]

Your sarcastic comment is actually somewhat true, but only as it applies to televised media, not necessarily video games. I think that the EU has a different rating system though, I need to look it up to be sure.

One of the things I noticed watching TV in the EU (mostly Germany) is that they don't censor a lot of the sex/love scenes that the US would completely cut out or heavily censor, but it's just the opposite for violence.

How much more violent really is US TV than EU TV?

Based on my experience, much.

The kind of stuff on TV in the US that gets edited out is pretty high. In Germany you'd have to rent a movie to see the violent content we see on basic cable.

 

[repoman]

He was a clinical psycho for real if this news story is true.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/gunman-with-2-guns-extra-ammo-targeted-gamers

I want to see this scream he let out upon winning last year.

 

[Underseer]

People in Canada, the EU, Asia and everywhere else play the same video games you play in the US. We shoot the same people, perform the same fatalities and beat the same prostitutes to death. It doesn't get translated into increased murders in RL (that's video game speak for real life), however, because those things aren't causal factors in increases in murders.

It pisses me off that we even have to say that. When that right wing maniac shot up a church, did anyone speculate if Christianity caused mass shootings?

This is every bit as idiotic as people who claim these things are caused by mental illness, which is also bullshit for the same reason you pointed out. Every developed nation has crazy people, but only America has so many mass shootings per capita. It's pretty obvious what the difference is. As the NRA relaxes gun restrictions more and more, these mass shootings become more and more common.

Enough already.

Sandy Hook should have been the end of this ridiculous debate. That should have been the moment when America decided that the lives of elementary school children are more important than helping Billy-Joe-Jim-Cletus feel better about his small penis.

 

[Underseer]

People in Canada, the EU, Asia and everywhere else play the same video games you play in the US. We shoot the same people, perform the same fatalities and beat the same prostitutes to death. It doesn't get translated into increased murders in RL (that's video game speak for real life), however, because those things aren't causal factors in increases in murders.

I'm pretty sure Bowling for Columbine pointed this out as well. The difference is entirely cultural, but the causes are nearly impossible to tease out.

But the solution is fucking easy as shit to tease out. Make it a lot harder to get access to a gun.

The same crazy people have the same inappropriate negative reaction everywhere else in the world, but they lack the feeling of power and invincibility you get from holding a firearm, so they send a bitchy tweet about how the dumbassed newb they were playing against got lucky and they're totally going to pwn him next time.

Yup. Every other developed nation makes it more difficult to get a gun.

Over previous years as the NRA has removed more and more gun restrictions and made it easier and easier to buy guns, these mass shootings have become more and more frequent.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to fix this. We simply decided as a nation that listening to our own children die over a cell phone call was an acceptable cost for helping a bunch of sister-fucking rednecks feel better about their small penises.

 

[repoman]

People in Canada, the EU, Asia and everywhere else play the same video games you play in the US. We shoot the same people, perform the same fatalities and beat the same prostitutes to death. It doesn't get translated into increased murders in RL (that's video game speak for real life), however, because those things aren't causal factors in increases in murders.

It pisses me off that we even have to say that. When that right wing maniac shot up a church, did anyone speculate if Christianity caused mass shootings?

This is every bit as idiotic as people who claim these things are caused by mental illness, which is also bullshit for the same reason you pointed out. Every developed nation has crazy people, but only America has so many mass shootings per capita. It's pretty obvious what the difference is. As the NRA relaxes gun restrictions more and more, these mass shootings become more and more common.

Enough already.

Sandy Hook should have been the end of this ridiculous debate. That should have been the moment when America decided that the lives of elementary school children are more important than helping Billy-Joe-Jim-Cletus feel better about his small penis.

This guy was Jewish.

https://forward.com/news/409037/jewish-video-game-gunman-was-loner-with-significant-medical-problems/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Main

 

[Underseer]

People in Canada, the EU, Asia and everywhere else play the same video games you play in the US. We shoot the same people, perform the same fatalities and beat the same prostitutes to death. It doesn't get translated into increased murders in RL (that's video game speak for real life), however, because those things aren't causal factors in increases in murders.

It pisses me off that we even have to say that. When that right wing maniac shot up a church, did anyone speculate if Christianity caused mass shootings?

This is every bit as idiotic as people who claim these things are caused by mental illness, which is also bullshit for the same reason you pointed out. Every developed nation has crazy people, but only America has so many mass shootings per capita. It's pretty obvious what the difference is. As the NRA relaxes gun restrictions more and more, these mass shootings become more and more common.

Enough already.

Sandy Hook should have been the end of this ridiculous debate. That should have been the moment when America decided that the lives of elementary school children are more important than helping Billy-Joe-Jim-Cletus feel better about his small penis.

This guy was Jewish.

https://forward.com/news/409037/jewish-video-game-gunman-was-loner-with-significant-medical-problems/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Main

1. How is that piece of information in any way related to what I said?
2. What conclusion do you expect me to draw from the fact that he was Jewish?

I'm sure this will be enlightening.

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https://shareblue.com/rick-scott-florida-jacksonville-shooting-blames-churches-grandparents/

NRA stooge Rick Scott blames churches and grandparents for the shooting.

That's funny. Other developed nations have churches and grandparents, but don't have so many mass shootings.

 

[ZiprHead]

Your sarcastic comment is actually somewhat true, but only as it applies to televised media, not necessarily video games. I think that the EU has a different rating system though, I need to look it up to be sure.

One of the things I noticed watching TV in the EU (mostly Germany) is that they don't censor a lot of the sex/love scenes that the US would completely cut out or heavily censor, but it's just the opposite for violence.

How much more violent really is US TV than EU TV?

Based on my experience, much.

The kind of stuff on TV in the US that gets edited out is pretty high. In Germany you'd have to rent a movie to see the violent content we see on basic cable.

I always get an irony meter broken when the movie Wanted is played on basic cable. Graphic slow motion scenes of bullets plunging through people's skull but the word "fuck" has to be edited out.

 

[repoman]

Based on my experience, much.

The kind of stuff on TV in the US that gets edited out is pretty high. In Germany you'd have to rent a movie to see the violent content we see on basic cable.

I always get an irony meter broken when the movie Wanted is played on basic cable. Graphic slow motion scenes of bullets plunging through people's skull but the word "fuck" has to be edited out.

That was a brutal movie and made me feel ill, but maybe that was because I was laid up at the time with a painful injury.I quite enjoyed Very Bad Things on the other hand.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Based on my experience, much.

The kind of stuff on TV in the US that gets edited out is pretty high. In Germany you'd have to rent a movie to see the violent content we see on basic cable.

I always get an irony meter broken when the movie Wanted is played on basic cable. Graphic slow motion scenes of bullets plunging through people's skull but the word "fuck" has to be edited out.

That was a brutal movie and made me feel ill, but maybe that was because I was laid up at the time with a painful injury.I quite enjoyed Very Bad Things on the other hand.

Very Bad Things was a frigging awesome movie.

 

[repoman]

Kind of odd that the shooter was the child of two people with very successful careers that almost assuredly require very high intelligence.

Maybe the intelligence alleles added up to overdrive and hardware level mental illness. Like a mental version of sickle cell anemia genes.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Your sarcastic comment is actually somewhat true, but only as it applies to televised media, not necessarily video games. I think that the EU has a different rating system though, I need to look it up to be sure.

One of the things I noticed watching TV in the EU (mostly Germany) is that they don't censor a lot of the sex/love scenes that the US would completely cut out or heavily censor, but it's just the opposite for violence.

How much more violent really is US TV than EU TV?

Based on my experience, much.

The kind of stuff on TV in the US that gets edited out is pretty high. In Germany you'd have to rent a movie to see the violent content we see on basic cable.

People don't watch those movies in Europe?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I always get an irony meter broken when the movie Wanted is played on basic cable. Graphic slow motion scenes of bullets plunging through people's skull but the word "fuck" has to be edited out.

Utah?

~30 years ago, we were staying in a motel in Utah. Looking through what little was on TV (cable) and the least bad was some sex comedy. Bare breasts everywhere, "sex" from an angle that didn't show anything etc--pretty much as far as you could go and still have an R rating. Yet even the mildest of profanity (I think "damn") got bleeped.

Sorry, but I find pixelating and bleeping stuff highly offensive.

 

[southernhybrid]

I scanned the thread in a hurry. Did anyone else mention that the shooter had a long history of mental illness but was still able to legally buy a gun? That is one huge problem with our gun laws. Maybe I should say our lack of gun control laws.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/us/jacksonville-madden-shooter-katz-mental-health-invs/index.html

David Katz, the shooter who killed two people and wounded 10 others before taking his own life at an e-sports tournament in Jacksonville, Florida, on Sunday, was in treatment for psychiatric issues at least as early as the age of 12, according to family divorce records.

Katz, who was 24, was prescribed a number of psychiatric medications, including an antipsychotic, and saw "a succession of psychiatrists," according to a 2006 letter from the father's attorney. A separate 2006 court filing states that a therapist said David had experienced a "psychiatric crisis."
CNN also obtained police records that show 26 calls for service to the police from the Katz family home in Columbia, Maryland, from 1993 to 2009, for issues ranging from "mental illness" to domestic disputes. At least two of those calls involved Katz arguing with his mother, though none of the reports provided to CNN show any physical violence. The Howard County Police Department declined to release the reports from a number of the incidents, citing statutory restrictions.

I'm pretty sure that most gun owners don't want people who suffer from severe mental illnesses to be able to buy guns. Several of the recent mass shooters have had a history of mental illness but they all purchased their guns legally. This is insane.