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Mazzie Daius
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We use MRI to diagnose the problem.
Tell that to the farmer in North Dakota oh city one.
We use MRI to diagnose the problem.
I never said the mind is not physical. If the mind is something generated by brain activity and brain activity is physical then the mind is physical.
Think about this carefully. Physical means 'subject to the Laws of Physics'.
Do you still say the Mind is physical?
Some people think the mind is some kind of quantum effect that is not understood.
It is not something that can be seen.
It is not something that could be weighed or ever touched.
The brain is getting some kind of information from the nerves that travel into the leg.
The brain is reflexively turning this into the sensation of pain in the leg for the mind to experience.
Evidence the brain is not thinking about the information.
how does the “mind” know it’s not “injured leg” if that’s what it experiences?
We use MRI to diagnose the problem.
And here's yet another point where it all falls apart. You're saying the brain makes a mistake. But how could it?
According to your ontology, the brain merely reflexively takes the information sent to it from the nervous system and--for some unknown reason--"translates" it into "mind speak" I guess, for the "mind" to "experience," so how could it make a mistake? At what stage is it misinterpreting the signal from the nerve and how could it do that? It can't "interpret" to begin with. In your ontology, it functions as little more than a dumb, reflexive middleman, but how could it translate "pain in back" to "pain in leg," unless it knows the distinction between the two and then chooses the wrong one to tell the "mind"?
So that must mean that the nerve is somehow sending the wrong signal, which in turn means it isn't the brain making a mistake, the nerve is. The brain would just be "dumb" and relating reflexively the nerve's "mistake" for the "mind" to "experience."
But how could a nerve send a wrong signal? It doesn't have that capacity, because, once again, "wrong" is an interpretation and only some "thing" capable of understanding the difference between "right" and "wrong" (or, more accurately, "correct" and "incorrect") could make such an interpretation.
Brain can't do that according to your ontology. That would require it to not be "dumb." Nerve can't either, I presume.
Which means it must be the "mind" that is the one mistaking the pain signal as originating in the leg. But how could that be? It can only experience what the brain has prepared for it.
But, again, it must be thinking about the information in order to get it wrong.
At some point, if your ontology holds, then what must be going on in regard to sciatica is that the brain is receiving (at least) two sets of signals; one set is "damage in the leg" and one set is "damage in the back" and because it is "dumb" it can't make a distinction between the two sets of signals, so it sends both signals reflexively. Which in turn means it is the "mind" that makes the mistake in resolving the two sets of signals from the "dumb" brain.
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Ergo: As the Brain is the ONLY source of data for the mind ... then if the Brain makes a mistake, the Mind must make a mistake. It's in no position to not trust the Brain, is it.
Some people think the mind is some kind of quantum effect that is not understood.
It is not something that can be seen.
It is not something that could be weighed or ever touched.
No Quantum Physicist says the mind is 'some sort of QM effect', only those who know nothing about QM would say that....
And here's yet another point where it all falls apart. You're saying the brain makes a mistake. But how could it?
Unter has said the Mind is not subject to the Laws of Physics.
And here's yet another point where it all falls apart. You're saying the brain makes a mistake. But how could it?
There is nothing wrong with the leg.
The pain is in the leg.
The problem is in the back.
How is this not a mistake?
I never said the mind is not physical.
If the mind is something generated by brain activity and brain activity is physical then the mind is physical.
Unter has said the Mind is not subject to the Laws of Physics.
Never said it.
Never came close to saying it.
In fact I have said the exact opposite.
And here's yet another point where it all falls apart. You're saying the brain makes a mistake. But how could it?
There is nothing wrong with the leg.
The pain is in the leg.
The problem is in the back.
How is this not a mistake?
Yeah, you deliberately avoided all the other parts of my post where that is explored in depth.
Can you name one thing that is physical but not material?
Intellectual Coward said:me said:how does the “mind” know it’s not “injured leg” if that’s what it experiences?
We use MRI to diagnose the problem.
Intellectual Coward said:me said:how does the “mind” know it’s not “injured leg” if that’s what it experiences?
We use MRI to diagnose the problem.
IC said:me said:how does the “mind” know it’s not “injured leg” if that’s what it experiences?
We use MRI to diagnose the problem.