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Michael Brown Shooting and Aftermath



As soon as we start having the effects of hitting the wall of resources the entire country and world will look like this, get ready.
 
repoman said:
As soon as we start having the effects of hitting the wall of resources the entire country and world will look like this
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Well, yes and no.

The people who are in a position to hoard resources to themselves on a massive scale will be able to seal off enclaves of stability and rule over them with an iron fist. Other neighborhoods/towns/cities that aren't in the selected regions get triaged and left to their own devices, so yes, that's more or less what they would look like at first. It's pretty much the libertarian free for all that some people on this board are really looking forward to seeing some day because they imagine it will work out really well for them for some reason.

That's assuming that there's an actual wall to hit, and I don't think there is.
 
repoman said:
As soon as we start having the effects of hitting the wall of resources the entire country and world will look like this, get ready.
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Those are just thugs rioting and looting for no good reason. I see no evidence of any "wall of resources" in Missouri. Or do you think Brown robbed that store because we hit "peak cigarillo"? :rolleyes:

By the way, the guy who shot at police and was shot back at (currently in surgery) was apparently a friend of Michael Brown. Birds of a feather and all that.
Man shot by police in Ferguson after he fired at officers, police say
 
thebeave said:
Interesting to go back and read the first 5 pages or so of this thread, and compare what was written back then to what we know today from the DOJ investigation, autopsy, etc. Holy fuck, did some people get it so horribly wrong about what happened.
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Good point. The officer's orbital socket being broken, the incredibly terrible PR from the Ferguson Police, bad eyewitnesses.
 
Nice Squirrel said:
Trausti said:
Heh.

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What the hell, you just leave this shit out in the open?

"I own a jewelry store and I let strange people in after close. They stole half the diamonds and rubies I had sitting our on the counter."
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Most places that use computers on a routine basis have them on their desks. The only computerized place I've ever been in and didn't see such equipment sitting around was a place with defense contracts--equipment had to be locked up against spies.
 
Nice Squirrel said:
What the hell, you just leave this shit out in the open?

"I own a jewelry store and I let strange people in after close. They stole half the diamonds and rubies I had sitting our on the counter."
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Bad analogy. That wasn't a computer store, it was a nonprofit that used these devices.

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Jimmy Higgins said:
It is on Twitter. Has to be true!
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Why would alderman Antonio French, who is generally on the side of the protesters, lie about that?
 
Derec said:
Bad analogy. That wasn't a computer store, it was a nonprofit that used these devices.

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Jimmy Higgins said:
It is on Twitter. Has to be true!
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Why would alderman Antonio French, who is generally on the side of the protesters, lie about that?
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Why cannot someone both support protestors and be against people who steal?

Most people do not equate the two actions.
 
Derec said:
Toni said:
Why cannot someone both support protestors and be against people who steal?

Most people do not equate the two actions.
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Your reply doesn't explain why he would lie about it.
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I don't know that he did lie. He could have been mistaken or have given factually correct information in all of his communications. I don't follow people's tweets and I know from a lot of experience that news accounts are often full of inaccuracies, information is deliberately withheld or is simply not available at press time. Despite a 24 hr news cycle, new information or 'information' is not instantaneously uploaded and published. Information or 'information' can conflict with previous information or 'information.' Throw in the twitterverse and all of that is orders of magnitude greater than credentialed press.

Sometimes people do lie. Sometimes the people lying are police officers. Sometimes they are members of the press. Sometimes witnesses lie or are mistaken.

My comment was only to address the fact that someone can be both against stealing and supportive of protestors.
 
The Oath Keepers decided their presence was needed in Ferguson:

Oath Keepers Turn Up at Michael Brown Protests in Ferguson, Missouri

Heavily-armed members of a controversial patriot group added an extra dose of unease to protests early Tuesday in Ferguson, Missouri.

The Oath Keepers organization says its members — all former military, police and first responders — pledge to "defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

However, St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar described their presence as "both unnecessary and inflammatory."

Protesters and police confirmed that a handful of Oath Keepers with assault rifles, bulletproof vest and camouflage gear were seen early Tuesday on the streets of Ferguson, which was under a state of emergency following demonstrations pegged to the anniversary of Michael Brown's death.
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It's not clear why they are there. The group has several orders they pledge to abide by, including "We will NOT obey order to impose martial law or a 'state of emergency' on a state." and "We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances." That suggests they support the protests as constitutionally protected free speech and assembly.

OTOH, several Oath Keepers publicly supported Darren Wilson and are reported to have contributed to his online defense fund before the investigation of the incident had even begun, some of them have made disparaging remarks about blacks, particularly the black citizen of Ferguson, and the last time they were in Ferguson they were acting as a volunteer property protection force. So it's a bit of a stretch to suppose they're there to march in solidarity with the protesters.

They are doing a pretty good job of highlighting racial inequality wrt police actions, though:

Several protesters asked the Oath Keepers to leave and questioned why the men were allowed to openly carry weapons given how protests over the past year have been to highlight racial inequality.

"If there were black and brown people in this country who showed up in the streets open carrying assault rifles in paramilitary garb would they still be received the same way?" Bynes asked. "It seems to be that especially when it comes to the Second Amendment there seems to be a different way that it is enforced."

The commiteewoman said that police did not confront the Oath Keepers — which hit to the core of the issues.

"There were two blocks of police. They saw them," she said. "It's more about the hypocrisy. Of wow, if anybody out here tried that they'd be met with a different greeting from police."
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"If there were black and brown people in this country who showed up in the streets open carrying assault rifles in paramilitary garb would they still be received the same way?" Bynes asked. "It seems to be that especially when it comes to the Second Amendment there seems to be a different way that it is enforced."
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You mean like these?
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Derec said:
"If there were black and brown people in this country who showed up in the streets open carrying assault rifles in paramilitary garb would they still be received the same way?" Bynes asked. "It seems to be that especially when it comes to the Second Amendment there seems to be a different way that it is enforced."
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You mean like these?
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The nation’s white political elite feared that violence was too prevalent and there were too many people—especially urban Black nationalists—with access to guns. In May 1967, two dozen Black Panther Party members walked into the California Statehouse carrying rifles to protest a gun-control bill, prompting then-Gov. Ronald Reagan to comment, “There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.”

The Gun Control Act of 1968 reauthorized and deepened the FDR-era gun control laws. It added a minimum age for gun buyers, required guns have serial numbers and expanded people barred from owning guns from felons to include the mentally ill and drug addicts. Only federally licensed dealers and collectors could ship guns over state lines. People buying certain kinds of bullets had to show I.D.
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http://www.salon.com/2013/01/14/the_nra_once_supported_gun_control/


So by all means, please post this picture and those like it everywhere you can think of. Let this image burn itself into middle America's consciousness.

The nation will get gun control laws and Bynes prediction of a different reception will be realized as true.
 
Derec said:
"If there were black and brown people in this country who showed up in the streets open carrying assault rifles in paramilitary garb would they still be received the same way?" Bynes asked. "It seems to be that especially when it comes to the Second Amendment there seems to be a different way that it is enforced."
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You mean like these?
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Yes, I think she's referring to groups like this one, and I think her suspicions are justified.

The Ferguson police went military in response to the original, unarmed street protesters. They have shown more restraint in their response to the Oath Keepers. Would they show similar restraint if the Huey P Newton Gun Club showed up in full regalia?
 
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