Misconceptions on George Floyd protests and lack of law enforcement

[ZiprHead]

This was organized expressly to cause mayhem. That's in no way comparable to BLM protests where random violence broke out.

The #BLM riots (not protests!) have been far more destructive and deadly. This is just for 2020 #BLM riots, not including the rioting from 2014-2019.
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Here's the difference: the capital riot was lead by the President of the US; the capital riot wasn't just a riot, it was an armed rebellion whose goal was to "reestablish national security and have the patriots arrest and detain the people (ie: legislators) behind the massive fraud. Trump Quote: "lets get our national affairs in order, prepare our weapons, and go hunting".

Did Trump really say that?

 

[Jarhyn]

Here's the difference: the capital riot was lead by the President of the US; the capital riot wasn't just a riot, it was an armed rebellion whose goal was to "reestablish national security and have the patriots arrest and detain the people (ie: legislators) behind the massive fraud. Trump Quote: "lets get our national affairs in order, prepare our weapons, and go hunting".

Did Trump really say that?

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So it is civil war then.

Tell me, why are we not giving this guy the Bin Laden special?

It's textbook sedition.

 

[Deepak]

[removed]neoconfederates storming the capitol in an attempt to take Congresspeople hostage. Color me surprised.
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[Derec]

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[Derec]

So it is civil war then.

Tell me, why are we not giving this guy the Bin Laden special?

It's textbook sedition.

Nothing the DC lot did comes even close to what bin Laden did. A little perspective please. Also, these people are on US soil and can just be arrested if suspected of any crimes.

By the way, you are on the record supporting prison abolition. Do you think those who participated in DC riots should not be incarcerated then? Or is prison abolition just for criminals you like?

 

[Derec]

Here's the difference: the capital riot was lead by the President of the US;

It really wasn't. He has been saying a lot of stupid things about the elections, but he never told anybody to invade the Capitol or to "burn this bitch down" or anything like that.

the capital riot wasn't just a riot, it was an armed rebellion whose goal was to "reestablish national security and have the patriots arrest and detain the people (ie: legislators) behind the massive fraud. Trump Quote: "lets get our national affairs in order, prepare our weapons, and go hunting".

#BLM riots have lasted for six years. Ever since Ferguson and Baltimore (called an "uprising" by the #BLM) in 2014/2015. During that time the Left excused their violence. Now they act holier than thou. Pox on both their houses!
You can't go for six years defending rioting, looting, arson and attacking government buildings (like courthouses and police stations) with the intent of effecting political change and then condemn it when the other side uses it.

 

[Derec]

Without getting very involved in some of these claims, I'd at least like to point out that the charges that were dropped in Atlanta were for very minor things.

Misdemeanors, yes, but they included things like blocking roads. I do not think blocking roads is so minor as to warrant a blanket dismissal.

I tend to think that breaking into the capital building, in some cases with illegal guns, and potentially dangerous things, is a lot different than violating a curfew, or blocking a road. Since the disorderly conduct isn't explained, we don't know exactly what caused those charges.

I am not saying that the DC rioters should not be prosecuted. But prosecutors dismissing charges against rioters this Summer is sending the message that they are welcome to do it again whenever they get angry over something.

There is a huge difference between the things that happened over 7 months, of what were mostly peaceful protests and what happened in one night.

Well the #BLM riots were much more destructive. A lot of buildings burnt to the ground, a lot of businesses looted and vandalized. That should not be downplayed.

Plus, this isn't over yet.

Neither is #BLM/Antifa rioting.

There are already plans by these fascists on social media to do something more on Jan. 17th. You may not approved of SJWs, but I think they are far less dangerous than people who want to take over the government and destroy whatever gets in their way. Just sayin'.

I think they are both dangerous, in different ways. I do not think it takes away from opposition to the right wing rioters to also condemn left wing ones. It should not be about sides. People who believe in democracy and the rule of law must be against both.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

About 93% of racial justice protests

About 93% of racial justice protests in the US since the death of George Floyd have been peaceful and nondestructive, according to a new report. The findings, released Thursday, contradict assumptions and claims by some that protests associated with the Black Lives Matter movement are spawning violence and destruction of property.

About 7,750 of those protests were linked to the Black Lives Matter movement, the report states. Peaceful racial justice protests took place in more than 2,440 locations across all 50 states and Washington, DC—violent demonstrations occurred in fewer than 220 locations, according to the report.

In other words, there were BLM riots in almost 220 different cities. 7% of their protests ended in riots. For the MAGAs, there's this one. And you lose your shit.

I note no count of what percent of trumpist protests turned violent. The numbers seem far higher than 7%.

And note that the 7% figure isn't even accurate as in many cases it was obvious that it wasn't the protesters behind the violence.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

They certainly should have anticipated it!

And are you aware that the DoD refused to deploy the guard?

Minor nitpick. The DC mayor can't call in the national guard... he has to request for the national guard. The President said no.

Failed nitpick.

The mayor requested it, the DoD refused to deploy it. He was able to get guard troops from other states eventually.