Morality in Bible stories that you don't understand

[Thomas II]

 

[ideologyhunter]

Thanks for posting!!! Somehow, I've missed these, and there are a ton of them online. I just watched a half dozen, and they're heavy on detail and worth seeing. My favorite so far is the quiz show on Bible contradictions.

 

[DBT]

Fear the Lord your God and He shall be merciful:

"His mercy extends to those who fear him, from generation to generation." Luke 1:50

 

[Learner]

John 14:30

“Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe the Gospel.”

'There is a sucker born every minute' Attributed to PT Barnum.

'Never give a sucker an even break,' WC Fields.

'Don't take any wooden nickels.'

'Actions speak louder than words.'

'An ounce of prevention s worth a pound of cure.'

'Early to bed and early to rise makes a man healthy,wealthy, and wise.' Ben Franklin.
'A penny saved is a penny earned.'
'Fish and visitors stink in three days.'

'Give a Chr9stian an inch and they will take a yard.' Steve Bank.

Feelings of opinion noted and acknowledged. Argument... not.

 

[Thomas II]

 

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[steve_bank]

John 14:30

“Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe the Gospel.”

'There is a sucker born every minute' Attributed to PT Barnum.

'Never give a sucker an even break,' WC Fields.

'Don't take any wooden nickels.'

'Actions speak louder than words.'

'An ounce of prevention s worth a pound of cure.'

'Early to bed and early to rise makes a man healthy,wealthy, and wise.' Ben Franklin.
'A penny saved is a penny earned.'
'Fish and visitors stink in three days.'

'Give a Chr9stian an inch and they will take a yard.' Steve Bank.

Feelings of opinion noted and acknowledged. Argument... not.

One of may favorites form Confucius goes something like this..'Wise is the man who gets beyond words of wisdom'.

Confucius among other things was a moralist predating Jesus. What makes a moral person?

I interpreted saying to mean at what point do you start living what you are quoting? Christians quote the bibe profuslty and derive a pleasure from the act of quoting.

They think quoting the bible is being moral.

The question I ask Christians is how does the bible affect how you live in the world and how you act. Never get an answer.

From the actions of Christians throughout history obviously they do not practice a morality or the morality in the wrings is not a morality, at least in our modern sense.

Christianity is a feel good panacea, not a morality.

 

[Politesse]

The question I ask Christians is how does the bible affect how you live in the world and how you act. Never get an answer.

That's because you ignore the answers you get. Speaking from experience.

 

[steve_bank]

The question I ask Christians is how does the bible affect how you live in the world and how you act. Never get an answer.

That's because you ignore the answers you get. Speaking from experience.

I senseaI presence I have not felt in a long time, it can't be...its my old nemesis Darth Vader Politesse. Light sabers at dawn?

The general response as with Learner is quoting the Holy Babble as if it is a talisman.

Abortion is a holy crusade for a great many Christians saying to god all life is sacred. Yet those Christians generally oppose universal health care and a minimum subsistence level that guarantees nutrition for kids.

Abortion is evil, but once you pop out you are on your own and shit out of luck if you are born into bad circumstances.

Christian morality always has been and will be hypocrisy and moral ambiguity. Christians accuse theists of moral reliatvi wherr anything goes yet they pratice moral relativism by inter[reting scripture to support actions.

To answer the question a Christian has to think through ones actions,views, thoughts, and speech from a moral perspective. When pressed they quote the Babble. One simply finds a quote that answers a question and justifies views and actions. If it is interpreted from scripture it is moral.

American slavery was morally justified by the biblical reference to the Mark Of Ham. All blacks are cursed by god.

In rural Afghanistan schools exclusively teach the Koran. Kids are required to be able to recite the Koran from memory. Little else is read or taught. Not much diffrent than many Christians.

I go by what I have read of Christianity, the history of Christianity, Christians I have known, and the actions of Christianity over the course of my life.

I grew up mixing with many different people and as an adult I have never self segregated who I socialized with. I have never been in an intellectual bubble.

Some create an intellectualized idealized Jesus, but that is just another self serving interpretation of a scant NT depiction.

I ask the same question to an intellectual Christian, how does the alleged words of Jesus affect your daily life and intractions with people ad the world? When confronted with problem do the words of the bible come to mind?

Baxk in the 80s I was in a diffiult prwssure situation at work. I had an atgonist trying to undercut nyself.

I remembered a clip form the series Eye On The Prize where MLK is leading a march. Hecklers were spitting, throwing things, and shoutinng vile things. A young balck man broke for the crowd and MLK firmly grabbed him by the shoulders and pulled him back in line.

I thought to myself if MLK could maintain self control under that extreme I can maintain self control on my relatively benign troubles.

Does Jesus inspire your thoughts and guide your actions? He does nothing for me. The gospel Jesus appears in today's terms delusional and bipolar.

 

[Politesse]

I'm not even really a Christian anymore, but I certainly think of Biblical advice and aphorisms from time to time, even in daily life. The measure you give is the measure you get. Judge the tree by its fruit. Whatever you do to the least is what you have done to me. To know the truth is to be liberated by it. To love god and one's neighbor is the whole of Torah. I'd like to think I live in consonance with such principles, whatever my current tribe or lack thereof.

 

[DBT]

Yet what is written in the Torah on morality does not show the same regard for those who were not 'Gods chosen people.'

 

[Politesse]

Yet what is written in the Torah on morality does not show the same regard for those who were not 'Gods chosen people.'

Jesus did not agree, obviously. He was not a "literalist", and indeed mocked those who were as hypocrites and fools.

 

[DBT]

Yet what is written in the Torah on morality does not show the same regard for those who were not 'Gods chosen people.'

Jesus did not agree, obviously. He was not a "literalist", and indeed mocked those who were as hypocrites and fools.

The laws outlined in the Torah were not meant to be taken literally? When Jesus reportedly said that he had not come to abolish the law of the prophets, he did not mean it literally?

 

[Politesse]

Yet what is written in the Torah on morality does not show the same regard for those who were not 'Gods chosen people.'

Jesus did not agree, obviously. He was not a "literalist", and indeed mocked those who were as hypocrites and fools.

The laws outlined in the Torah were not meant to be taken literally? When Jesus reportedly said that he had not come to abolish the law of the prophets, he did not mean it literally?

Literalism was not a word or philosophy that existed at the time, but Jesus' recorded actions and teachings make it very clear that he did not value the letter of the law over what he saw as its purpose, as indeed I have just quoted him as saying. If to love God and your neighbor is the whole of the law, that excludes any interpretation of the law as a weapon against the oppressed. "The whole of", not "the moral of", or "one important purpose of". It's not that some verses are literal and others aren't, it's that using Torah to abuse and oppress others is to misunderstand Torah as Jesus himself thought it was intended. In his words:

'Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.'

Naturally, he would not have seen his career as abolishing the law; if anything, he believed he was re-establishing it. He believed, after all, that the world was very soon to end altogether and presumably all of its books and so forth along with it. But the eternal Torah is that which was "written on the hearts" of the Jewish people. A belief and a promise, not a collection of physical scrolls or the common civic law of a nation he believed would soon be destroyed.

 

[Thomas II]

 

[DBT]

Yet what is written in the Torah on morality does not show the same regard for those who were not 'Gods chosen people.'

Jesus did not agree, obviously. He was not a "literalist", and indeed mocked those who were as hypocrites and fools.

The laws outlined in the Torah were not meant to be taken literally? When Jesus reportedly said that he had not come to abolish the law of the prophets, he did not mean it literally?

Literalism was not a word or philosophy that existed at the time, but Jesus' recorded actions and teachings make it very clear that he did not value the letter of the law over what he saw as its purpose, as indeed I have just quoted him as saying. If to love God and your neighbor is the whole of the law, that excludes any interpretation of the law as a weapon against the oppressed. "The whole of", not "the moral of", or "one important purpose of". It's not that some verses are literal and others aren't, it's that using Torah to abuse and oppress others is to misunderstand Torah as Jesus himself thought it was intended. In his words:

'Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.'

Naturally, he would not have seen his career as abolishing the law; if anything, he believed he was re-establishing it. He believed, after all, that the world was very soon to end altogether and presumably all of its books and so forth along with it. But the eternal Torah is that which was "written on the hearts" of the Jewish people. A belief and a promise, not a collection of physical scrolls or the common civic law of a nation he believed would soon be destroyed.

Not observing the 'letter of the law' when doing so may unnecessarily harm someone does not necessarily negate the laws being literal. The laws were meant to be observed and practiced.