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Do they slap each other on the face all the time, too?

I don't shove my friends unless I'm angry. When I do the shoving, I'm being violent.
Okay. You do realize you are not everyone.

Violence is the use of physical force intended to harm. Slapping someone on the face that you are arguing with is definitely physical force and it is definitely intended to harm the slapped person.
Not necessarily. It may be intended to divert their attention or to make them snap back to reality. Context matters.

Nothing in this situation justifies Mixon's reaction. If the woman was constantly shoving and slapping him, the self-defense argument would make sense. But that didn't happen. Nothing in that video indicates Mixon was in any danger under any reasonable interpretation.
 
In this particular case, according to journalists who viewed the exchange, it is certainly possible that Molitor was defending herself.
I do not get that impression at all but I am not surprised you do.
During what is apparently a contentious exchange of words, Molitor pushes Mixon away.
I.e. she is the one who initiated the physical confrontation, not him. And the "contentious exchange of words" was apparently Molitor using a racial slur, at least according to Mixon. I wonder if she disputes that. In any case witnesses must have heard what it was all about. Still, it was Molitor who engaged in physical violence first.

We don't know why: there is no audio on the videotape. It is possible that she is the aggressor in pushing Mixon. It is also possible that he says something threatening to her and she pushes him away, defending herself.
How is she "defending herself" if she is the one using physical violence, no matter what he might have said. Just like that Materazzi might have insulted Zidane's sister but Zidane headbutting Materazzi is still Zidane's fault, not Materazzi's.

Mixon turns and lunges at her. Was it reasonable for her to feel his lunging was a physical threat?
Even if it was, it would have been a response to her escalating it into a physical confrontation. I would still like to know what they mean by "lunges".
In other words, was she justified in slapping him to defend herself?
She initiated the violence, not once but twice. In other words, he never touched her until she both pushed and slapped him. But somehow she was defending herself. :rolleyes:
The slap did not hit his face but rather his neck.
Neck is a vulnerable area so I do not see how that makes it better.
He punches her hard enough that she drops to the floor and is unconscious and bleeding. He is 6'2, 216 lbs and extremely muscular and fit. She (if I have the right person) weighs more than 85 lbs less than he does and is 7 inches shorter. To the best of my knowledge, she is not an athlete.
Which makes her attacking him all the more stupid.

The comments/tweets made by the journalists who were allowed to view the video tape is that the punch was really stunning, hard, shocking, etc.
Perhaps because the journalists have grown up with the "never hit a girl no matter what she does to you" nonsense.

Reading this, even if I remove gender, it is hard for me to say that the person who pushed/slapped at the other person was not justifiably trying to defend themselves. A lot would hinge on audio. There were lots of witnesses but I haven't found any testimony about what was said. The push/slapper could have been the aggressor or could have been defending themselves, as far as what we actually know.
What would the slapper/pusher be defending herself from?
The person punching the other person seems, according to viewers of the video, to be acting far out of scale of what would be a reasonable response. Perhaps they are wrong. Perhaps she said she had a gun and would shoot him. That might be ample justification. But other wise, I cannot see how there was justification in the punch.
The problem is that you do not have much time to think or gauge your response when defending yourself. You defend yourself instinctively and automatically. It should not be held against him that he is stronger than the average person.

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Assault can be verbal. Whether or not a shove could be considered self defense following a verbal assault, I don't know.
Doubt it. In any case, it seems it was her who was responsible for the verbal confrontation as well.
But whatever started it, his response was all out of proportion. No need to put someone in the hospital over a slap. The cops made the right call.
Even if charge against him was justified how do you justify the lack of charges against her?
 
The woman was talking to some people sitting at a table. She makes a motion for someone (unknown who) to come over.
A reasonable working assumption would be Mixon whom she summoned to her table, perhaps using racial slurs (as she is alleged to have used those).
Mixon comes over and there is a verbal exchange. We don't know the contents of that exchange but it seems that it was contentious according to journalists who report the incident.
And that must the man's fault why exactly?

She pushes him away. Why? We don't know why. There is no audio. Maybe she is just a nasty person. Maybe he made lewd comments. Maybe he threatened her. Maybe he refused to pay back the $5 she loaned him. We don't know the contents of that conversation. In a later report, she says he threatened her friends.
And he said she and her friend used racial slurs. I wonder what the witnesses say. In any case, I do not see what would justify her pushing and slapping him.

After she pushes him away he lunges at her. She slaps at him and makes contact with his neck.
He punches her and she drops to the floor, losing consciousness.
I.e. she initiated the physical violence.

A police report describes her as bleeding. It is reported that her nose and other bones in her face were broken.
Losing a fight does not confer righeousness, even though assuming that is very much "liberal" instinct.

Everything else you've said about the case is just stuff you've made up.
What have I made up exactly?

He was suspended by OU. He was charged with a misdemeanor which is a joke: broken bones should merit felony charges.
Not if he was defending himself. But why wasn't she charged with anything?

On the other hand, Molitor was arrested earlier on minor consumption charges. Her stats list her at 5'7, 130 lbs, assuming it is the same woman.
And that she didn't gain any weight or height since her arrest since you say she was a minor.
Also since when do they arrest people for TB. :tonguea:

So, he's got 7 inches and 86 pounds and a whole lotta weight training on her. If she had been a white dude instead of a woman of any size, shape or color, you'd be demanding felony charges and the max sentence.
Doubtful. Picking a fight with somebody much larger doesn't make you not an aggressor (also a lesson Palestinians must learn). In fact, if Molinor was a guy I bet he'd be charged and Mixon would not have been.
 
Assault can be verbal. Whether or not a shove could be considered self defense following a verbal assault, I don't know.
Doubt it. In any case, it seems it was her who was responsible for the verbal confrontation as well.
Speculation
But whatever started it, his response was all out of proportion. No need to put someone in the hospital over a slap. The cops made the right call.
Even if charge against him was justified how do you justify the lack of charges against her?
Maybe she didn't do anything wrong? They usually let those people go.
 
Okay. You do realize you are not everyone.

So, if you shoved your wife in anger, you wouldn't call that violence?

Not necessarily. It may be intended to divert their attention or to make them snap back to reality. Context matters.

"Snap back to reality" is something that is done in movies, not real life. But in any case, yes, context matters. Slapping someone on the face that you are arguing with is an act of physical force and is violent.

If you slapped your wife on the face while both of you were in an argument, would you call that an act of violence? I would.

Nothing in this situation justifies Mixon's reaction. If the woman was constantly shoving and slapping him, the self-defense argument would make sense. But that didn't happen. Nothing in that video indicates Mixon was in any danger under any reasonable interpretation.

No-one is 'justifying' his reaction. I want to know why people are afraid to use the word 'violence' when it applies. Violence can be justified.

Or is it that you don't want to call 'physical force in the aid of self-defense' violence, no matter what?

If people are willing to call being flashed an act of sexual 'violence', it seems to me the bar for 'violence' is staggeringly low. And yet, physical force apparently does not count.
 
I have been slapped by a drunk woman once and I simply restrained her. But I am not a Red Piller pussy.
 
He LUNGED at her WITH A CLOSED FIST before she hit him.

That is a very tiny, but crucial little detail Derec is leaving out of the story.

But after she shoved him.
after he turned back around and came toward her again. We don't know what was being said, so she may or may not have been justified in pushing him away from her. You don't know, you just assume she's wrong because she's a woman.

I can't think of anything that could have justified that.
of course YOU can't

A shove isn't meaningful self-defense in this sort of situation even if somehow his words were a threat.
No, it isn't a meaningful self-defense but it could be a proportional response in a situation we have neither seen nor heard.

What was NOT proportional was lunging at someone with closed fists. That is the action that prompted the slap. If someone lunged at a white male with obviously closed fists, would you suggest that the white male must wait for the other person to actually hit him before he could defend himself?

Thus she is the aggressor.
No such conclusion with the information we have.

I think a lot of us accept her lack of criminal punishment based on the notion that she suffered enough already.
I said no such thing and you certainly don't believe that so what's your point here?

A no-punishment conviction might be good here to make it clear her actions were unacceptable, though.
We don't know that her actions were unacceptable. We don't have the full context.

We do, however, know unequivocally that his actions were unacceptable.
 
Woman hits man, man defends himself by hitting her. He gets punished, she gets off scot-free.
OU football: Joe Mixon tape shows freshman running back punch female after she pushed, slapped him

Even if you think he overreacted while defending himself, the unassailable fact is still that she instigated the violence. So why wasn't she charged with assault and battery? Obviously because, in our sexist society, women are considered the more equal animals.
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Interestingly enough, Christina Hoff-Sommers (The Factual Feminist) just produced a video addressing the gender gap in prison sentencing:

 
The issue isn't even what punishment the two should receive. She wasn't charged at all even though she clearly instigated the violence and he was defending himself.

Maybe it is size-ism instead of sexism.

When a large/strong person responds to a battery/assault that doesn't cause physical damage by knocking out the assailant then the large/strong person is apt to get charged with a crime. I've seen it happen in conflicts in which both participants were male. I never thought it was fair back in school days but that is the way the law tends to operate. The one that ends up with the most damage is less likely to get charged and the physically stronger person is expected to show restraint. The law doesn't seem to regard knocking Melvin out as defense when Melvin's assault isn't considered a reasonable threat to the much larger person. I've come to learn as an adult that breaking somebody's face is not a reasonable response to anything unless it is needed to stop them from harming me.
 
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If a smaller, weaker person wants to attack a bigger, stronger one they have nobody but themselves to blame for being on the losing side of the fight.

Yeah, well I learned in college that the bigger stronger person had better learn restraint or they will go to jail and owe Melvin a lot of money for damages if little Melvin gets broken after picking the fight. Nothing sexist about it. If Melvin picks a fight and you know Melvin can't really hurt you then you better not teach little Melvin a lesson because the judge won't consider Melvin's lesson to be self defense.

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And in fun Florida news.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/29/jennie-scott-florida-arrested-oral-sex_n_2381876.html
 
As opposed to what you have been doing to justify what she did?
The only assumption I'm making is that the cops know more than we do.
Maybe she didn't do anything wrong? They usually let those people go.
Except that she attacked Mixon. I would count that as wrong. But I guess to you it's ok if a woman does it. :rolleyes:
We don't know what happened. He may have threatened her. Her moves may have been defensive.
 
So, if you shoved your wife in anger, you wouldn't call that violence?
I might. Depending on the intent.

"Snap back to reality" is something that is done in movies, not real life.
Wrong.
But in any case, yes, context matters. Slapping someone on the face that you are arguing with is an act of physical force and is violent.
As you said, it is the intent. And the severity. According to you, if I lightly touch you while I am angry, it is violence. That is ridiculous. Conflating such contact with hard or severe force meant to harm minimizes real violence.
If you slapped your wife on the face while both of you were in an argument, would you call that an act of violence? I would.
Again, it depends.
No-one is 'justifying' his reaction. I want to know why people are afraid to use the word 'violence' when it applies. Violence can be justified.
People wish to be accurate. Categorizing any touching while angry as violence simply makes violence meaningless as a concept.
Or is it that you don't want to call 'physical force in the aid of self-defense' violence, no matter what?
No. Do you wish to call any touching - no matter how slight - when people appear angry as "violent"?
If people are willing to call being flashed an act of sexual 'violence', it seems to me the bar for 'violence' is staggeringly low. And yet, physical force apparently does not count.
I suppose for those people, it is. But I don't know anyone who calls being flashed "sexual violence".
 
Maybe it is size-ism instead of sexism.
It could be both of course, but there is definitely also sexism which even the feminist in the video above acknowledges. Why do resident feminists on here have such a hard time with admitting that female privilege exists?

When a large/strong person responds to a battery/assault that doesn't cause physical damage by knocking out the assailant then the large/strong person is apt to get charged with a crime. I've seen it happen in conflicts in which both participants were male.
I have never seen a case like that. Do you have a specific example?

I never thought it was fair back in school days but that is the way the law tends to operate. The one that ends up with the most damage is less likely to get charged and the physically stronger person is expected to show restraint. The law doesn't seem to regard knocking Melvin out as defense when Melvin's assault isn't considered a reasonable threat to the much larger person. I've come to learn as an adult that breaking somebody's face is not a reasonable response to anything unless it is needed to stop them from harming me.
Who is Melvin?
 
Yeah, well I learned in college that the bigger stronger person had better learn restraint or they will go to jail and owe Melvin a lot of money for damages if little Melvin gets broken after picking the fight. Nothing sexist about it. If Melvin picks a fight and you know Melvin can't really hurt you then you better not teach little Melvin a lesson because the judge won't consider Melvin's lesson to be self defense.
I am not really surprised colleges operate that way. After all, they are dominated by bleeding heart liberals who also tend to think that for example Israel has no right to defend itself, even when Palestinians shoot rockets and send suicide bombers, because they are stronger than Palestinians. Colleges also expel male students when they have sex with a woman who had been drinking (but don't do the same for female students having sex with male students who have been drinking).
So I do not have much confidence in UO punishing the female student but I expect more from the police and prosecutors.

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Women never get charged.
Strawman. I never said they "never get charged" but that it happens far less frequently and the punishment tends to be much lighter. I recall a case where a group of women tied up a man against his will and glued his penis to his stomach. They all got away without any jail time because they are women.
 
The only assumption I'm making is that the cops know more than we do.
That doesn't make their decision free from sexist biases.
From what we know about the video it is clear that she initiated physical violence. As such she is the primary aggressor and should have been charged.

We don't know what happened. He may have threatened her. Her moves may have been defensive.
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that her moves were "defensive"? Other than the presumption of male guilt of course.
 
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that her moves were "defensive"? Other than the presumption of male guilt of course.
Do you have any evidence that his moves were defensive other than she is a lying bitch who deserved a broken jaw and orbital bone?
 
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