excreationist
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I thought this is more relevant to the Media and Culture forum. According to AI it isn't very dangerous for ordinary people to criticize the CIA.
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The Animal Farm cartoon
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Shooting the enemy
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Torture in movies/TV
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The Animal Farm cartoon
BTW my class had to watch the cartoon in high school.when one of George Orwell's most important works was adapted into a movie, the CIA had the final say over its closing moments. That film is Animal Farm, a classic anti-establishment story about rebelling against power. After Orwell died, the film's rights to Animal Farm were purchased by two men, and both were undercover CIA agents. This was in 1954, the height of the Cold War and the Red Scare. When the fear of communism was at its peak, the CIA funded the entire animation. They hired British animators, avoiding American studios to create distance and because the agency distrusted Hollywood animators during the Red Scare and they rewrote the ending.
In Orwell's book, the animals look through the farmhouse window and can't tell the pigs from the humans. The line says, quote, "The creatures outside looked from pig to man and from pig to man and from pig to man again, but already it was impossible to say which was which." This is the whole point. Revolution replaces one set of oppressors with another. Capitalism and communism are equally corrupt. The CIA couldn't have that message going out. So, their version ends with the animals triumphantly overthrowing the pigs in a second revolution. Communism bad, rebellion good, America wins by implication. See, watch how they storm the building and show it doesn't imply the same message as the book at all. It's subtle, but the new version reinforces the division between good and bad. It creates a moral precedent that corrupt systems can be overthrown and replaced with something better, which is a really comforting thought unless you realize it's exactly the story the CIA tells every time it topples a government.
Orwell's ending says the opposite that power corrupts regardless of who holds it and that revolution just replaces one set of oppressors with another. The director Joy Bachelor strongly opposed the change. So the CIA threatened to pull financing. The intelligence officer E. Howard Hunt, who later became involved in the Watergate scandal, said the film was quote carefully tweaked to heighten the anti-communist message.
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Shooting the enemy
in World War I, one of the problems that they had was people didn't want to be over there killing people. And so, people were shooting, but they weren't shooting at the actual enemy. And so, then they realized, well, we've got to do something about that. And so, after that, they started creating all these really patriotic war movies where the guys are heroes. They go over and they shoot all the bad guys and then they're awesome. So then the next group of people that go to war are all going to be indoctrinated with these films.
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Torture in movies/TV
It seems there were typos in the transcript. BTW this torture topic reminds me of Jack Bauer in 24.John Kiryaku thinks that nowhere has that indoctrination be more effective or more dangerous than in warming the population up to the idea of torture. One thing that bothers me the most is when Hollywood perpetuates the myth that torture prevented acts of terrorism or disrupted acts of terrorism. And to me, that myth is dangerous in that it affects public opinion. You can put whatever euphemism you want on it. You can call it enhanced interrogation tech. I don't care what you call it. What we did to some of those people was just illegal. Kiryaku would know. He's the only CIA officer who ever went to prison over the torture program. I objected to the CIA's use of so-called enhanced interrogation techniques, which I believe to be torture, and I went public with that information in December of 2007. All this time, by the way, I'm waiting for somebody to come out and say something, and nobody said anything. As a result, I was prosecuted and served 30 months in prison. But I'm glad I did. Somebody had to do it.
This is especially true in the film Zero Dark 30 which is about capturing Osama bin Laden. John Kiyaku thinks is the strongest example of making the CIA look clean from every angle. Zero dark 30. So Zero Dark 30 I think is the most egregious example of CIA interference in Hollywood. The CIA gave the filmmakers classified briefings over a classified mockup of the Bin Laden compound. The film essentially pushed at the torture program as what led them to bin Laden. Kiryaku says that's a complete lie. This was a film that the CIA made a policy decision on that it was going to cooperate fully to the point where senior CIA officers gave them inappropriately classified briefings over a classified mockup of the Bin Laden compound. Okay, that's chargeable under the Espionage Act. The CIA just turned it over. Why? Because it made the CIA look good.
In real life, intelligence work is edgy, gruesome, and morally ambiguous. Mainstream TV and cinema don't need to be accurate. They just need to feel right and not leave the audience with too many lingering questions or ambiguity. They pick up on this exact point in the podcast. Even though it they are torturing people now entire population is so kind of almost like brainwashed into but they are good guys so torture is okay as long as good guys are doing. the narative and they've got so desensitized towards doing bad And if it's the CIA or if it's Tom Cruz or if it's like Mission Impossible and they're doing bad and they're torturing people, that's okay. Like now the message is that's okay. You don't worry about it.
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