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I thought this is more relevant to the Media and Culture forum. According to AI it isn't very dangerous for ordinary people to criticize the CIA.


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The Animal Farm cartoon
when one of George Orwell's most important works was adapted into a movie, the CIA had the final say over its closing moments. That film is Animal Farm, a classic anti-establishment story about rebelling against power. After Orwell died, the film's rights to Animal Farm were purchased by two men, and both were undercover CIA agents. This was in 1954, the height of the Cold War and the Red Scare. When the fear of communism was at its peak, the CIA funded the entire animation. They hired British animators, avoiding American studios to create distance and because the agency distrusted Hollywood animators during the Red Scare and they rewrote the ending.

In Orwell's book, the animals look through the farmhouse window and can't tell the pigs from the humans. The line says, quote, "The creatures outside looked from pig to man and from pig to man and from pig to man again, but already it was impossible to say which was which." This is the whole point. Revolution replaces one set of oppressors with another. Capitalism and communism are equally corrupt. The CIA couldn't have that message going out. So, their version ends with the animals triumphantly overthrowing the pigs in a second revolution. Communism bad, rebellion good, America wins by implication. See, watch how they storm the building and show it doesn't imply the same message as the book at all. It's subtle, but the new version reinforces the division between good and bad. It creates a moral precedent that corrupt systems can be overthrown and replaced with something better, which is a really comforting thought unless you realize it's exactly the story the CIA tells every time it topples a government.

Orwell's ending says the opposite that power corrupts regardless of who holds it and that revolution just replaces one set of oppressors with another. The director Joy Bachelor strongly opposed the change. So the CIA threatened to pull financing. The intelligence officer E. Howard Hunt, who later became involved in the Watergate scandal, said the film was quote carefully tweaked to heighten the anti-communist message.
BTW my class had to watch the cartoon in high school.

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Shooting the enemy
in World War I, one of the problems that they had was people didn't want to be over there killing people. And so, people were shooting, but they weren't shooting at the actual enemy. And so, then they realized, well, we've got to do something about that. And so, after that, they started creating all these really patriotic war movies where the guys are heroes. They go over and they shoot all the bad guys and then they're awesome. So then the next group of people that go to war are all going to be indoctrinated with these films.

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Torture in movies/TV
John Kiryaku thinks that nowhere has that indoctrination be more effective or more dangerous than in warming the population up to the idea of torture. One thing that bothers me the most is when Hollywood perpetuates the myth that torture prevented acts of terrorism or disrupted acts of terrorism. And to me, that myth is dangerous in that it affects public opinion. You can put whatever euphemism you want on it. You can call it enhanced interrogation tech. I don't care what you call it. What we did to some of those people was just illegal. Kiryaku would know. He's the only CIA officer who ever went to prison over the torture program. I objected to the CIA's use of so-called enhanced interrogation techniques, which I believe to be torture, and I went public with that information in December of 2007. All this time, by the way, I'm waiting for somebody to come out and say something, and nobody said anything. As a result, I was prosecuted and served 30 months in prison. But I'm glad I did. Somebody had to do it.

This is especially true in the film Zero Dark 30 which is about capturing Osama bin Laden. John Kiyaku thinks is the strongest example of making the CIA look clean from every angle. Zero dark 30. So Zero Dark 30 I think is the most egregious example of CIA interference in Hollywood. The CIA gave the filmmakers classified briefings over a classified mockup of the Bin Laden compound. The film essentially pushed at the torture program as what led them to bin Laden. Kiryaku says that's a complete lie. This was a film that the CIA made a policy decision on that it was going to cooperate fully to the point where senior CIA officers gave them inappropriately classified briefings over a classified mockup of the Bin Laden compound. Okay, that's chargeable under the Espionage Act. The CIA just turned it over. Why? Because it made the CIA look good.

In real life, intelligence work is edgy, gruesome, and morally ambiguous. Mainstream TV and cinema don't need to be accurate. They just need to feel right and not leave the audience with too many lingering questions or ambiguity. They pick up on this exact point in the podcast. Even though it they are torturing people now entire population is so kind of almost like brainwashed into but they are good guys so torture is okay as long as good guys are doing. the narative and they've got so desensitized towards doing bad And if it's the CIA or if it's Tom Cruz or if it's like Mission Impossible and they're doing bad and they're torturing people, that's okay. Like now the message is that's okay. You don't worry about it.
It seems there were typos in the transcript. BTW this torture topic reminds me of Jack Bauer in 24.
 
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Actually there used to be violence. speech, and sexual consent limits in moves.

It pretty much went away with court cases claiming first amendment freedom of speech.

I think it is more about making money through violent movioes.

AI Overview
Yes, Sam Peckinpah's The Wild Bunch was intensely controversial upon its 1969 release primarily because of its groundbreaking, graphic, and unsparing depiction of screen violence

The Matrix was a violent movie,.

A local DTV channel that is running an endless stream of low budget ultra violent movies, many of them Steven Segal. Continuous gunfights and brutal fighting, torture, little plot and dialogue. Occasionally bare boob and sex Jet Lee. Jason Stratham is arelatively new action violence movie star.

The there is the violent video games where kids kill for points.


BTW, it should be obvious this forum is a CIA front.
 
Of course there are propaganda movies. This is water-is-wet level news.
I think most viewers of the Animal Farm cartoon would assume it was faithful to the book rather than it being changed by those connected to the CIA to not be against capitalism and think that overthrowing the government is the answer as the movie portrays.
 
Actually there used to be violence. speech, and sexual consent limits in moves.

It pretty much went away with court cases claiming first amendment freedom of speech.
Yeah because of that it seems people are allowed to watch movies like those of Lucifer Valentine. But apparently things that are illegal include:
Any sexual content involving minors (CSAM)
Real criminal acts where viewing = participation (e.g. real murders or torture)
Classified government documents or footage that is illegal to possess
I think it is more about making money through violent movies.
I think R rated movies tend to get a smaller cinema audience than if it had a lesser rating. The Deadpool movies were pretty popular but they were only MA15+ in Australia (rather than R18+).
The Matrix was a violent movie,.
It has violence though it was only rated M in Australia. A lot of mafia movies are very violent though.
A local DTV channel that is running an endless stream of low budget ultra violent movies, many of them Steven Segal. Continuous gunfights and brutal fighting, torture, little plot and dialogue. Occasionally bare boob and sex Jet Lee. Jason Stratham is arelatively new action violence movie star.
Some cartoons like Rick and Morty are also very violent.
The there is the violent video games where kids kill for points.
The GTA games mostly just involve commiting criminal acts such as murder. Though they don't seem to include any children. Games that include children usually make them impossible to injure. Though in my Bible game you're meant to kill everything that breathes including animals and babies (because of God's commands)
 
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I watch some movies on DTV, mostly older ones.

I have not been to a theater or watched a new movie in over 25 years. Tyhey are mind numbing.

Way back I went to see Natural Born Killers. I walked out.

If yiu have seen the original Invasion Of The Body Snatchers movie, I read in the day it was about communist infiltration. So yes, thre has always been propaganda in movies.

The movie Top Gun was supported by the Navy, it was a recruitment advertisement.

You can go back to the old silent racist American propaganda movie Birth Of A Nation. It should be online.

The original Mission Impossible TV show was an American anti communist propaganda show. The truth is those kinds of things were actually occurring by Russian and American intelligence.
 
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