Nazi Homeschool in Ohio: something for Gauleiter Ron DeSantis to explore

[Loren Pechtel]

It's called the Internets. Not hard to use it.

Study of the Day: Home-Schooled Children Score Higher on Tests

When it comes to grades, new research suggests that home schooling is superior to a public-school education -- most of the time

www.theatlantic.com

This should be an obvious conclusion. Home schooling is about selection. What type of parent will take the time and investment to home school? The state doesn't pay for home schooling; it's all out of pocket. So home-schooled children benefit from involved parents. I used to believe, like Jimmy (apparently), that home skooled children would be stupid. But I had a cousin who home schooled and her children went off to the top university in the state. The bigotry against home schooling seems to be teacher union cope.

Read your own article--same double-humped curve I was talking about.

 

[Oleg]

Unfortunately, home schooling is generally inadequately regulated and passing state exams is often not required.

Yet home-schooled children perform better academically than their public school peers. Go figure.

Home-schooled children will exhibit a double-humped curve.

On the low end you have the nutcases who don't want their kids learning reality and some simply lazy ones (One I knew--kid didn't want to go to school. Fix: Home-"school", an online class that they were no better about doing than they were about public school--but they weren't getting threatened by truancy officer.) On the high end you have kids who were bored with school and they're getting an education that actually challenges them.

Are you suggesting that the results from public schooling are better?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Unfortunately, home schooling is generally inadequately regulated and passing state exams is often not required.

Yet home-schooled children perform better academically than their public school peers. Go figure.

Home-schooled children will exhibit a double-humped curve.

On the low end you have the nutcases who don't want their kids learning reality and some simply lazy ones (One I knew--kid didn't want to go to school. Fix: Home-"school", an online class that they were no better about doing than they were about public school--but they weren't getting threatened by truancy officer.) On the high end you have kids who were bored with school and they're getting an education that actually challenges them.

Are you suggesting that the results from public schooling are better?

You are going to pull your back out shifting the goalposts.

• Homeschooling can work given the right people involved
• Homeschooling requires at least one adult giving most of their day time to the education
• Homeschooling is not a viable solution for many households, likely the majority, seeing both parents usually work
• Homeschooling is a particularly bad option for widespread adoption
  • Lacks of parents
  • Lack of money
  • Lack of time
  • Extraordinarily inefficient (does one think public schools wouldn't improve with a teacher student ratio of that of homeschooling?) Funny how people who are against public schools never being on the front lines demanding huge public education spending increases to greatly improve the teacher to student ratio.)
• Public schools provide education to all comers.
• The Public schools have "performance issues" when one ignores poverty and private school pilfering of smarter students

Also, the OP was about Nazi homeschoolers and their struggle to manage woke teaching materials.

 

[TV and credit cards]

• What do I do to start home schooling my child or children?
  As the parent or guardian, you must notify the superintendent of the public school district where your family resides about your intention to home school your school-age child or children. Ohio law requires all children between the ages of six and 18 to attend school. Notification must be received no later than the first week of the start of the public school building the child would attend in the school district of residence or within one week the date on which the child begins to reside in the district or within one week from the child's withdrawal from a school. Failure to notify the school district of residence the family is homeschooling its child or children will result in truancy. The notification includes:
  1. Your qualifications to home school (see previous question);
     1. Confirmation that you will provide a minimum of 900 hours of instruction that must include the following subjects:
     2. Language, reading, spelling and writing;
     3. Geography; history of the United States and Ohio; and national, state and local government;
     4. Mathematics;
     5. Science;
     6. Health;
     7. Physical education;
     8. Fine arts, including music; and
     9. First aid, safety and fire prevention;
  2. A brief outline of the curriculum for the current school year;
  3. A list of textbooks, correspondence courses, commercial curricula or other basic teaching materials that you plan to use; and
  4. Your signature.

Nothing about my kraut wife teaching nazism.

 

[laughing dog]

Unfortunately, home schooling is generally inadequately regulated and passing state exams is often not required.

Yet home-schooled children perform better academically than their public school peers. Go figure.

Home-schooled children will exhibit a double-humped curve.

On the low end you have the nutcases who don't want their kids learning reality and some simply lazy ones (One I knew--kid didn't want to go to school. Fix: Home-"school", an online class that they were no better about doing than they were about public school--but they weren't getting threatened by truancy officer.) On the high end you have kids who were bored with school and they're getting an education that actually challenges them.

Are you suggesting that the results from public schooling are better?

Some public schools produce better results, some don't. Some private schools produce better results, some don't.

What exactly is your point?

 

[ZiprHead]

Nazi Homeschool Network Under Investigation by Ohio’s Department of Education

They are investigating a group that advocates white supremacist ideologies with the aim to make sure the children they teach “become wonderful Nazis.”

www.vice.com

 

[Oleg]

Some public schools produce better results, some don't. Some private schools produce better results, some don't.

What exactly is your point?

That's there's nothing inherently bad about home schooling. But a child would probably fair better with home schooling, if it could be done, given the parental investment.

 

[Oleg]

Nazi Homeschool Network Under Investigation by Ohio’s Department of Education

They are investigating a group that advocates white supremacist ideologies with the aim to make sure the children they teach “become wonderful Nazis.”

www.vice.com

The thing about freedom of speech is that if parents want to teach their children socalism we can't stop them.

 

[Jarhyn]

Unfortunately, home schooling is generally inadequately regulated and passing state exams is often not required.

Yet home-schooled children perform better academically than their public school peers. Go figure.

Home-schooled children will exhibit a double-humped curve.

On the low end you have the nutcases who don't want their kids learning reality and some simply lazy ones (One I knew--kid didn't want to go to school. Fix: Home-"school", an online class that they were no better about doing than they were about public school--but they weren't getting threatened by truancy officer.) On the high end you have kids who were bored with school and they're getting an education that actually challenges them.

Are you suggesting that the results from public schooling are better?

You are going to pull your back out shifting the goalposts.

• Homeschooling can work given the right people involved
• Homeschooling requires at least one adult giving most of their day time to the education
• Homeschooling is not a viable solution for many households, likely the majority, seeing both parents usually work
• Homeschooling is a particularly bad option for widespread adoption
  • Lacks of parents
  • Lack of money
  • Lack of time
  • Extraordinarily inefficient (does one think public schools wouldn't improve with a teacher student ratio of that of homeschooling?) Funny how people who are against public schools never being on the front lines demanding huge public education spending increases to greatly improve the teacher to student ratio.)
• Public schools provide education to all comers.
• The Public schools have "performance issues" when one ignores poverty and private school pilfering of smarter students

Also, the OP was about Nazi homeschoolers and their struggle to manage woke teaching materials.

So, I can't but imagine that the completely one-sided presentation of home vs public schooling.

When presented with the issue of Nazis running home schools, the response was a defense of home schools. It was NOT a statement about Nazis.

You know a lot of what the right calls virtue signaling is, at least to me, people validating that they understand ethical rules and the form of taboo and the reasons for it.

The taboo in question here is not home schooling, though you raise valid points. The issue is the failure of public school systems involvement in home schools. Children should have to have contact with outside educational bodies, perhaps in an entirely "question asking" role rather than "instruction giving".

I think questions about the shape of the earth and civics history, and even ethics are entirely appropriate. I think that students should have to select a syllabus from a public school and have classes scheduled for test days, with quiz requirements for the parents as much as the students, with certain lesson plans and subjects required at a public or private school with an accredited curriculum.

I don't think standardized testing is appropriate. I do think that private schools need oversight and to set and accomplish comprehensive curriculums. A child raised a creationist CAN pass a high school biology class without accepting evolution, but I think it's important they hear the words about what cells are, how they work, how genetics combines, and see teacher notes.

If the claim is leveled that homeschools do better, I would expect to see those students show up to take the tests given on the public school's curriculums.

If they display that can't get their kids to pass the exams public schools of the area give their students, they should lose the right to continue home schooling.

 

[laughing dog]

Some public schools produce better results, some don't. Some private schools produce better results, some don't.

What exactly is your point?

That's there's nothing inherently bad about home schooling. But a child would probably fair better with home schooling, if it could be done, given the parental investment.

If you actually think about it, you simply reiterated my point.

However, the parents in the OP are involved in this home schooling. So are you really arguing that these children are getting a better education under their Nazi home school curriculum than at a public school?

More importantly, the issue here is not free speech - I think everyone here understands that parents will imbue their children with whatever ideas they do either intentionally or unintentionally. I think the implicit issue here is whether there should be some reasonable minimum standards for home schooling. For example, I think two minimums would be that neither the encourgement of canabilism nor Nazism be part of the curriculum.

 

[Oleg]

If they display that can't get their kids to pass the exams public schools of the area give their students, they should lose the right to continue home schooling.

And if public school students can pass those same tests? Close the public schools?

 

[Oleg]

Some public schools produce better results, some don't. Some private schools produce better results, some don't.

What exactly is your point?

That's there's nothing inherently bad about home schooling. But a child would probably fair better with home schooling, if it could be done, given the parental investment.

If you actually think about it, you simply reiterated my point.

However, the parents in the OP are involved in this home schooling. So are you really arguing that these children are getting a better education under their Nazi home school curriculum than at a public school?

More importantly, the issue here is not free speech - I think everyone here understands that parents will imbue their children with whatever ideas they do either intentionally or unintentionally. I think the implicit issue here is whether there should be some reasonable minimum standards for home schooling. For example, I think two minimums would be that neither the encourgement of canabilism nor Nazism be part of the curriculum.

But it is a free speech issue. It's about viewpoint discrimination. The government cannot do that.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Which makes one wonder why you are shitting on public schools.

I'm simply pointing out that they are not inherently better than home schooling.

Since the OP is about Nazi home schooling, would you agree that public schools are inherently better than Nazi home schooling?

...crickets...

 

[Oleg]

Which makes one wonder why you are shitting on public schools.

I'm simply pointing out that they are not inherently better than home schooling.

Since the OP is about Nazi home schooling, would you agree that public schools are inherently better than Nazi home schooling?

...crickets...

Who knows? If the parents give Nazi-like attention to detail for math, reading, and writing, those kids might perform better than their public school counterparts. But, yeah, teaching socialism to children might make them stupid and intolerant.

 

[laughing dog]

Some public schools produce better results, some don't. Some private schools produce better results, some don't.

What exactly is your point?

That's there's nothing inherently bad about home schooling. But a child would probably fair better with home schooling, if it could be done, given the parental investment.

If you actually think about it, you simply reiterated my point.

However, the parents in the OP are involved in this home schooling. So are you really arguing that these children are getting a better education under their Nazi home school curriculum than at a public school?

More importantly, the issue here is not free speech - I think everyone here understands that parents will imbue their children with whatever ideas they do either intentionally or unintentionally. I think the implicit issue here is whether there should be some reasonable minimum standards for home schooling. For example, I think two minimums would be that neither the encourgement of canabilism nor Nazism be part of the curriculum.

But it is a free speech issue. It's about viewpoint discrimination. The government cannot do that.

Please stop evading the issue. The state of Ohio can establish minimum standards for schools in order to validate diplomas. This is not a free speech issue. No one is saying that those Nazis cannot teach their children to be Nazis. The point is that whether it should be done under that state of Ohio should recognize any resulting certificate or diploma as legitimate.

 

[Oleg]

The state of Ohio can establish minimum standards for schools in order to validate diplomas.

But it can't enforce viewpoint discrimination. Which it seems you wish to do. As long as the parent teaches and completes the forms required by law, whatever else parents teach their children is none of the state's business.

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a2zhomeschooling.com

 

[laughing dog]

The state of Ohio can establish minimum standards for schools in order to validate diplomas.

But it can't enforce viewpoint discrimination. Which it seems you wish to do. As long as the parent teaches and completes the forms required by law, whatever else parents teach their children is none of the state's business.

Secular Homeschooling | Homeschool .com

Discover free tools and resources for secular homeschooling families. You'll find support groups, curriculum, and free resources perfect for your homeschool.

a2zhomeschooling.com

Try to focus. The issue is the law. From your link
“Every parent of any child of compulsory school age who is not employed under an age and schooling certificate must send such child to a school or a special education program that conforms to the minimum standards prescribed by the state board of education".

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Unfortunately, home schooling is generally inadequately regulated and passing state exams is often not required.

Yet home-schooled children perform better academically than their public school peers. Go figure.

Home-schooled children will exhibit a double-humped curve.

On the low end you have the nutcases who don't want their kids learning reality and some simply lazy ones (One I knew--kid didn't want to go to school. Fix: Home-"school", an online class that they were no better about doing than they were about public school--but they weren't getting threatened by truancy officer.) On the high end you have kids who were bored with school and they're getting an education that actually challenges them.

Are you suggesting that the results from public schooling are better?

In the case of those deliberately doing it to keep them from learning certain things I would be surprised if the public school didn't do better. The lazy ones I suspect not.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Some public schools produce better results, some don't. Some private schools produce better results, some don't.

What exactly is your point?

That's there's nothing inherently bad about home schooling. But a child would probably fair better with home schooling, if it could be done, given the parental investment.

No, because most parents are not good teachers.

 

[Jarhyn]

If they display that can't get their kids to pass the exams public schools of the area give their students, they should lose the right to continue home schooling.

And if public school students can pass those same tests? Close the public schools?

Spend money to get the public school functioning, from whatever jurisdictions can spare, or from state level funding if necessary, garnered from across all districts as a progressive tax.

A public school failing is a sign of not enough money, plain and simple.

Maybe it leaks out somewhere, maybe there is higher overhead for some schools, and in some, clear avenues to exit the district should exist -- assuming some large population of trouble makers there.

Who pays for it? The society that benefits from having everyone well educated.