Nevada enacts school choice

[dismal]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419438/nevada-enacts-universal-school-choice-lindsey-m-burke

Well, now the select private schools know how much to jack up their tuition in order to continue to keep the riff-raff out.

Wait, in this thread the government offering financing for schools will cause tuition to rise?

 

[ksen]

Well, now the select private schools know how much to jack up their tuition in order to continue to keep the riff-raff out.

Wait, in this thread the government offering financing for schools will cause tuition to rise?

In privately run schools sure. In that other thread we were talking about public universities so not the same thing.

 

[Tigers!]

Are you a parent or not? The emoticon is not a clear answer.

I'm a parent of three (now) grown children. Parents are too emotionally invested to make objective decisions about their child's education. I was also pretty fundamentalist back when the kids were younger and looking back now I'm pretty embarassed to see that I made a bunch of decisions based more on getting a school that wouldn't make my kids question our faith instead of giving them the best education possible.

You too, could assume that parents are too emotionally invested to make objective decisions about their child's health, choice of friends, eating habits etc. In that case why bother with the parents at all?

I also note you assume the impossibility of a good (best?) education and keeping the faith. But that is a topic for another thread.

 

[ksen]

I'm a parent of three (now) grown children. Parents are too emotionally invested to make objective decisions about their child's education. I was also pretty fundamentalist back when the kids were younger and looking back now I'm pretty embarassed to see that I made a bunch of decisions based more on getting a school that wouldn't make my kids question our faith instead of giving them the best education possible.

You too, could assume that parents are too emotionally invested to make objective decisions about their child's health, choice of friends, eating habits etc. In that case why bother with the parents at all?

You could assume that and in some cases you'd be right. For example, the anti-vax crowd or the anti-modern medicine crowd.

I also note you assume the impossibility of a good (best?) education and keeping the faith. But that is a topic for another thread.

No, not keeping the faith, but keeping the faith from being criticized. And yeah, that's for a different thread.

 

[dismal]

I'm a parent of three (now) grown children. Parents are too emotionally invested to make objective decisions about their child's education. I was also pretty fundamentalist back when the kids were younger and looking back now I'm pretty embarassed to see that I made a bunch of decisions based more on getting a school that wouldn't make my kids question our faith instead of giving them the best education possible.

You too, could assume that parents are too emotionally invested to make objective decisions about their child's health, choice of friends, eating habits etc. In that case why bother with the parents at all?

I also note you assume the impossibility of a good (best?) education and keeping the faith. But that is a topic for another thread.

Well, to be fair, it might be fun to order parents about on some of that other stuff but "progressives" consider school choice particularly dangerous because it opens up direct pathways to the deepest of the seven hells.

 

[Horatio Parker]

I wonder if the non public schools will be excused from testing as is the case in Milwaukee.

And where are the disabled and challenged kids going to go? Will the boutique private schools be forced to take them?

Just another case of getting public professionals out of the way so tax money can go directly to high powered campaign contributors.

 

[ronburgundy]

On Tuesday night, Nevada governor Brian Sandoval signed into law the nation’s first universal school-choice program. That in and of itself is groundbreaking: The state has created an option open to every single public-school student. Even better, this option improves upon the traditional voucher model, coming in the form of an education savings account (ESA) that parents control and can use to fully customize their children’s education.

As of next year, parents in Nevada can have 90 percent (100 percent for children with special needs and children from low-income families) of the funds that would have been spent on their child in their public school deposited into a restricted-use spending account. That amounts to between $5,100 and $5,700 annually, according to the Friedman Foundation for Educational Choice. Those funds are deposited quarterly onto a debit card, which parents can use to pay for a variety of education-related services and products — things such as private-school tuition, online learning, special-education services and therapies, books, tutors, and dual-enrollment college courses. It’s an à la carte education, and the menu of options will be as hearty as the supply-side response — which, as it is whenever markets replace monopolies, is likely to be robust.

Notably, families can roll over unused funds from year to year, a feature that makes this approach particularly attractive. It is the only choice model to date that puts downward pressure on prices. Parents consider not only the quality of education service they receive, but the cost, since they can save unused funds for future education expenses.

Accountability is infused throughout the ESA option. Funding is distributed into the accounts quarterly, and parents provide receipts for expenditures to the state. In the event there is a misuse of funds, the subsequent quarter’s distribution can be withheld and used to rectify it. Students must also take a national norm-referenced test in math and reading, a light touch that doesn’t dictate students take a uniform state test.

So imagine now what the future of education could look like in Nevada. Instead of being assigned to brick-and-mortar schools based on their parents’ ZIP codes, students can instead have their state funds deposited into an ESA. Parents can then craft a learning plan that matches best to the unique learning styles and needs of their children.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419438/nevada-enacts-universal-school-choice-lindsey-m-burke

IOW, the program has zero accountability in whether students learn a single thing about science, history, social studies, or any other subject outside of basic reading and math skills. Not a single person other than the highly biased and unqualified parents will determine whether their kid is progressing sufficiently. What could make more sense? After all, parents are already among the greatest obstacles to their child's education in schools, with their failure to support good study habits at home, blaming teachers for their kid's poor behavior, and threats of lawsuit if their kids are not given unearned good grades. So, why not give parents total free reign in deciding if their kid has "learned enough" by playing video games falsely marketed as "educational" and thus an approved use of these ESA funds.

FYI, this bill was backed heavily by the Foundation for Excellence in Education, which is a conservative think tank run by Jeb Bush and Condoleezza Rice, and funded by Murdoch's NewCorp and Pearson Publishing, both likely looking to make billions off of selling parents non-validated and poorly researched "educational" video games and books on "How to teach your kid even though you're barely literate yourself".

 

[Juma]

This will increase segregation.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This will increase segregation.

Not much seeing that the funding doesn't actually pay enough for private schooling. This will just help the already pretty well-to-do.

Republicans - We believe in offering choices, not viable options.

 

[ksen]

Prostitution is still legal in Nevada, right?

I just want to make sure these kids have a fallback option for when they find out their education was shit.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Prostitution is still legal in Nevada, right?

I just want to make sure these kids have a fallback option for when they find out their education was shit.

Are you suggesting this legislation is going to lead to students getting screwed?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

There are parents who make very smart decisions with regards to their children's education. But those are not the parents for which this type of legislation was written. Smart parents tend to demand and work for bettering their local public schools. On those occasions when that proves too daunting and/or when the finances of the family permits, smart families opt for established private schools with proven records of providing excellent educations to the student body.

When you look at the proponents of school choice, you don't find a great many college professors, experts in pedagogy, or experienced teachers. You do find quite a few religious fundamentalists, racial segregationists, and companies that make their money selling products to people who despise publicly accountable schools.

Jessayin'

 

[Jarhyn]

I think it's also important to note that the vast majority of non-public educational options available are religious in nature, as are the vast majority of home school materials. It's as much about eroding the separation of church and state in establishing religious education as it is about privatizing and pocketing the dosh.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I think it's also important to note that the vast majority of non-public educational options available are religious in nature, as are the vast majority of home school materials. It's as much about eroding the separation of church and state in establishing religious education as it is about privatizing and pocketing the dosh.

Which brings up the question, how do we tap into this free money bonanza?

 

[ksen]

TFT MOOCs of course.

 

[Axulus]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419438/nevada-enacts-universal-school-choice-lindsey-m-burke

IOW, the program has zero accountability in whether students learn a single thing about science, history, social studies, or any other subject outside of basic reading and math skills. Not a single person other than the highly biased and unqualified parents will determine whether their kid is progressing sufficiently. What could make more sense? After all, parents are already among the greatest obstacles to their child's education in schools, with their failure to support good study habits at home, blaming teachers for their kid's poor behavior, and threats of lawsuit if their kids are not given unearned good grades. So, why not give parents total free reign in deciding if their kid has "learned enough" by playing video games falsely marketed as "educational" and thus an approved use of these ESA funds.

FYI, this bill was backed heavily by the Foundation for Excellence in Education, which is a conservative think tank run by Jeb Bush and Condoleezza Rice, and funded by Murdoch's NewCorp and Pearson Publishing, both likely looking to make billions off of selling parents non-validated and poorly researched "educational" video games and books on "How to teach your kid even though you're barely literate yourself".

You have a source to the "zero accountability" for this Nevada program? I find that extremely unlikely.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The future of education financing is here. And the future is about separating the financing of education from the delivery of services. ESAs don’t dismantle public financing of education; they just recognize that education, although publicly financed, doesn’t have to be delivered through government schools.

I'm not certain how in the heck this can be true. This money can't be used to supplement education, it has to be used for the primary education. The students need to still take a reading/math test. So they can learn math and English normally, but the other classes can be whatever?

The money is to be set aside in an educational savings account administered by the state treasurer, and parents can withdraw the funds to pay for tuition, fees and textbooks at a private school, or for tutoring, tuition and fees for online learning programs or at a college or university in Nevada that offers dual credit. Home-schoolers can use the money to buy curriculum materials or supplies. Parents can carry over unspent funds from one year to the next.

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Home schooling? While it isn't just for the insane anymore, it still can be used by the insane. So how much money is saved by the state if a child has to stay behind two years after failing tests because their parents are using ridiculous methods to homeschool their children to keep them from being indoctrinated at the abortion camps known as public school?

 

[ronburgundy]

IOW, the program has zero accountability in whether students learn a single thing about science, history, social studies, or any other subject outside of basic reading and math skills. Not a single person other than the highly biased and unqualified parents will determine whether their kid is progressing sufficiently. What could make more sense? After all, parents are already among the greatest obstacles to their child's education in schools, with their failure to support good study habits at home, blaming teachers for their kid's poor behavior, and threats of lawsuit if their kids are not given unearned good grades. So, why not give parents total free reign in deciding if their kid has "learned enough" by playing video games falsely marketed as "educational" and thus an approved use of these ESA funds.

FYI, this bill was backed heavily by the Foundation for Excellence in Education, which is a conservative think tank run by Jeb Bush and Condoleezza Rice, and funded by Murdoch's NewCorp and Pearson Publishing, both likely looking to make billions off of selling parents non-validated and poorly researched "educational" video games and books on "How to teach your kid even though you're barely literate yourself".

You have a source to the "zero accountability" for this Nevada program? I find that extremely unlikely.

Your own source and your quote is my source. It says they will be tested on math and science, but brags how great it is they they will be tested on none of the other standardized tests.

Students must also take a national norm-referenced test in math and reading, a light touch that doesn’t dictate students take a uniform state test.

Every other source I've seen reaffirms that math and reading are the sole subjects they need to show any competence in. (BTW, AZ new laws don't even require those subjects). Note, this bill eliminates any schooling requirements. It makes homeschooling whatever parents feel like doing (or not doing) so long as their kid can meet a low bar on a math and reading test, and even those are meaningless if the students don't have to take them in a standardized controlled setting that prevents cheating (wouldn't be surprising if this bill let them take it at home and mail in their "results").

 

[ronburgundy]

I think it's also important to note that the vast majority of non-public educational options available are religious in nature, as are the vast majority of home school materials. It's as much about eroding the separation of church and state in establishing religious education as it is about privatizing and pocketing the dosh.

Which brings up the question, how do we tap into this free money bonanza?

The corporations writing and funding these laws are way ahead of you. They have been positioning themselves for years to sell parents "educational" tools that they can use their $5000 ESA funds for.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Which brings up the question, how do we tap into this free money bonanza?

The corporations writing and funding these laws are way ahead of you. They have been positioning themselves for years to sell parents "educational" tools that they can use their $5000 ESA funds for.

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