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My experience of management has been that they have a few primary duties in a restaurant such as McDonald's.

They manage scheduling (not a concern if there are no other employees), they manage payroll (also not a concern if you have no employees), they do accounting for the tills (not a concern if you have no employees, and depending on the restaraunt, they whip the employees as legally as they are allowed (not a concern if you have no employees). In addition, they do ordering of supplies, which can be accomplished using algorithms, and appeasement of customers.

Every duty here is fillable by computers or obsolete with no employees, and some are unnecessary anyway. Most of the new duties come down to having a single skilled employee or maybe two at any given time seeing to running and maintaining the machines, and occasionally cleaning the store. No whipping or scheduling is necessary, save that which can be done by a computer, and the jobs are much more professional and technical, and well worth 30/hr. Overall it still comes down to less than the 8 employees of a normal store making 10-12 hr + management's 15-20 times two managers during busy hours and the single employee necessary for nighttime operations vs the 2+manager.

So no, managers don't bring much to the table here.

That is a scheme of those with the real control, investors.

But it is a way of depriving people of work simply to make a tiny few investors money.

Better to have humans cooking and serving.

And owning.

And managing themselves.

That's how you have an economy.

The Dumbest Idea In The World: Maximizing Shareholder Value
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevede...e-the-dumbest-idea-in-the-world/#6731eaac2224
 
That is a scheme of those with the real control, investors.

But it is a way of depriving people of work simply to make a tiny few investors money.

Better to have humans cooking and serving.

And owning.

And managing themselves.

That's how you have an economy.

The Dumbest Idea In The World: Maximizing Shareholder Value
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevede...e-the-dumbest-idea-in-the-world/#6731eaac2224


But most companies don't follow that and even the ones that do don't follow it 100%. The top down organization structure isn't from maximizing shareholder value.
 


But most companies don't follow that and even the ones that do don't follow it 100%. The top down organization structure isn't from maximizing shareholder value.

It's not from it. It's for it.

The structure is designed to make as many within the organization as poor and powerless as possible so a few investors can have as much as possible.
 
But most companies don't follow that and even the ones that do don't follow it 100%. The top down organization structure isn't from maximizing shareholder value.

It's not from it. It's for it.

The structure is designed to make as many within the organization as poor and powerless as possible so a few investors can have as much as possible.

But a top down structure doesn't just apply to groups with shareholders, it applies to large groups in general. DDay would have been lost if the soldiers got on the beach and then formed up one big circle and voted where to go.
 
It's not from it. It's for it.

The structure is designed to make as many within the organization as poor and powerless as possible so a few investors can have as much as possible.

But a top down structure doesn't just apply to groups with shareholders, it applies to large groups in general. DDay would have been lost if the soldiers got on the beach and then formed up one big circle and voted where to go.

In war the top down structure may be argued to save lives. There is no time to make democratic decisions in many cases, especially in the most severe case, D-Day, although there were many times where democratic decisions occurred.

But business is not war, although dictatorial control can makes it appear to be one.

The warfare of business is entirely to maximize investment, not for workers or customers.
 
But a top down structure doesn't just apply to groups with shareholders, it applies to large groups in general. DDay would have been lost if the soldiers got on the beach and then formed up one big circle and voted where to go.

In war the top down structure may be argued to save lives. There is no time to make democratic decisions in many cases, especially in the most severe case, D-Day, although there were many times where democratic decisions occurred.

But business is not war, although dictatorial control can makes it appear to be one.

The warfare of business is entirely to maximize investment, not for workers or customers.

The purpose of a business is to provide a product or service that it's consumers buy.
 
In war the top down structure may be argued to save lives. There is no time to make democratic decisions in many cases, especially in the most severe case, D-Day, although there were many times where democratic decisions occurred.

But business is not war, although dictatorial control can makes it appear to be one.

The warfare of business is entirely to maximize investment, not for workers or customers.

The purpose of a business is to provide a product or service that it's consumers buy.

In a world dominated by the needs of investors.

In a world dominated by the needs of workers a business is something in addition to this. It is also something that provides workers with the necessities and luxuries of life.
 
The purpose of a business is to provide a product or service that it's consumers buy.

In a world dominated by the needs of investors.

In a world dominated by the needs of workers a business is something in addition to this. It is also something that provides workers with the necessities and luxuries of life.

Nope, that's in a world dominated by consumers. A world dominated by workers stalls and dies.
 
In a world dominated by the needs of investors.

In a world dominated by the needs of workers a business is something in addition to this. It is also something that provides workers with the necessities and luxuries of life.

Nope, that's in a world dominated by consumers. A world dominated by workers stalls and dies.

Where did this happen?
 
So...what's going to happen when I drive to the the drive through window and decide I don't want ketchup on the burger after all and instead of french fries I want onion rings?

Is the system going to crash?
 
You constantly ask these intrusive meaningless questions because you have no real positions, just belligerent submission to the current immorality.

My position is that workers could always manage themselves, much of what is called management is simply maintenance of the top down structure, which takes constant management.

But when you eliminate the top down structure you eliminate the need for this kind of management.

Negative.
Smart workers can manage themselves. As you work on down the food chain, people increasingly need to be managed, more accurately, supervised.
I have fifteen years management experience in the navy managing everything from the dumbest marine to the smartest enlisted sailors. The smart ones will recognize a good thing when they see it and work toward managing themselves (keep the supervisor out of their hair). The dumb ones will see the lack of supervision as opportunity to fuck off. This is based on fifteen years of observation. I was in the unique position of being a supervisor of Gunnersmates and Firecontrolmen. The navy liked to group these two job categories into the same division for obvious and ultimately comical reasons. These are some of the dumbest and smartest enlisted people in the navy.
I can tell within a work week what level of supervision a person will require. The wildcards of course are the emotionally unstable which can be found throughout the spectrum.

But you know, all these people were paid a living wage. And a smart pay grade E4 Firecontrolman earned the same as the dumbass E4 Gunnersmate. The Gunnersmate just made his job harder by being irresponsible. And we all got the same healthcare. And it all worked. Imagine.
 
So...what's going to happen when I drive to the the drive through window and decide I don't want ketchup on the burger after all and instead of french fries I want onion rings?

Is the system going to crash?

Of course not. Defective humans who can't decide what they want will be 99% recycled.
 
The best part about these things is that I can skip all of the computer illiterate people waiting in line for the human operated register.
 
I notice that some people have been gloating at the sight of fast-food workers getting automated out of their jobs. If they themselves get automated out of their jobs, will they commit suicide because they are no longer useful to their heroes?
 
You constantly ask these intrusive meaningless questions because you have no real positions, just belligerent submission to the current immorality.

My position is that workers could always manage themselves, much of what is called management is simply maintenance of the top down structure, which takes constant management.

But when you eliminate the top down structure you eliminate the need for this kind of management.

Negative.
Smart workers can manage themselves. As you work on down the food chain, people increasingly need to be managed, more accurately, supervised.
I have fifteen years management experience in the navy managing everything from the dumbest marine to the smartest enlisted sailors. The smart ones will recognize a good thing when they see it and work toward managing themselves (keep the supervisor out of their hair). The dumb ones will see the lack of supervision as opportunity to fuck off. This is based on fifteen years of observation. I was in the unique position of being a supervisor of Gunnersmates and Firecontrolmen. The navy liked to group these two job categories into the same division for obvious and ultimately comical reasons. These are some of the dumbest and smartest enlisted people in the navy.
I can tell within a work week what level of supervision a person will require. The wildcards of course are the emotionally unstable which can be found throughout the spectrum.

But you know, all these people were paid a living wage. And a smart pay grade E4 Firecontrolman earned the same as the dumbass E4 Gunnersmate. The Gunnersmate just made his job harder by being irresponsible. And we all got the same healthcare. And it all worked. Imagine.

There is no "food chain".

Only your prejudices and the learned helplessness of people trapped in an immoral system that allows dictatorship, even praises it.

And you're talking to an ex-Marine.

And the dumbest Marine could still make contributions. None were that dumb. It's just that people with prejudices gave them no opportunity.
 
So...what's going to happen when I drive to the the drive through window and decide I don't want ketchup on the burger after all and instead of french fries I want onion rings?

Is the system going to crash?
Nope. They will just charge you a $5 'happy fee'.
 
So...what's going to happen when I drive to the the drive through window and decide I don't want ketchup on the burger after all and instead of french fries I want onion rings?

Is the system going to crash?
Nope. They will just charge you a $5 'happy fee'.

And about goddamn time. Do people not realize that your order starts getting made within about 30 seconds of the order coming out your mouth? At least there is no getting pissy about a machine. With machines either it is programmed wrong (unlikely), mechanically broken (easily verifiable), or PEBCAK.

We are fast approaching the days when PEBCAK is going to be the unavoidable diagnosis for problems in fast food. It is, however, a pity that employees will miss out on the customer learning that they are not always right.
 
Nope. They will just charge you a $5 'happy fee'.

And about goddamn time. Do people not realize that your order starts getting made within about 30 seconds of the order coming out your mouth? At least there is no getting pissy about a machine. With machines either it is programmed wrong (unlikely), mechanically broken (easily verifiable), or PEBCAK.

We are fast approaching the days when PEBCAK is going to be the unavoidable diagnosis for problems in fast food. It is, however, a pity that employees will miss out on the customer learning that they are not always right.

And thank God that we also won't have employees wasting time on stale or questionable meat. No more whistleblowers!
 
Automation like this has been going on for hundreds of years, it's only natural.

Unfortunately, we're in a period where the balance of power is shifting back to corporations. Once that reaches it's peak and something breaks, something will react and correct the problem. The real correction I'm worried about is the response to the environmental problems we're causing, not automation.
 
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