Newest race based nonsense

[dismal]

I would just like to point out that this tu quoque angle does not work as Eminem has been nominated for 5, yes 5, BET awards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BET_Awards

Tied with Willow Smith and Pusha T.

Also, the best reason to boycott awards shows is that awards shows are really stupid.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

And you are paying attention to such drivel, why?

It's been all over the news. Even NPR covered it.

And I am disgusted by affirmative action in general. Especially here where you have rather small samples (4x5 acting nominations) you are bound to have certain groups underrepresented some years, overrepresented in others. To call for boycotts when your group does not get any nominations is incredibly stupid as is basically calling for racial quotas.

And also, if racial parity is important here, why is it not important in the NBA? 67% of NBA should be non-hispanic whites, or else NBA is racist, right?

Out of curiosity, how many of the films and performances nominated and the ones that are claimed to be over looked have you seen?

 

[ksen]

Whenever people complain about a shortlist leaving off 'so many worthy people/performances/works' I want to present the shortlist and say

Who, specifically, deserves to be on this shortlist, and who, specifically, will you remove from the shortlist to make room for that person?

Pinkett-Smith talked a big talk but let's see her answer that question. For example, the 2016 best actor nominees:

Bryan Cranston, Trumbo
Matt Damon, The Martian
Leonardo DiCaprio, The Revenant
Michael Fassbender, Steve Jobs
Eddie Redmayne, The Danish Girl

This happens all the time with the identity politics fanatics. Not a single woman? Not a single person of colour? Not a single <insert identity grouping here>.

Get rid of Leo because he never wins and also get rid of Eddie Redmayne because he sucks.

 

[thebeave]

Things could get awkward in future years if there is some sort of unwritten rule that at least a couple of actors/actresses/directors, etc have to get nominated just because they are black. History will not look kindly on the Oscars if Tyler Perry gets the Best Director Oscar for Big Mama's House 5.

 

[Metaphor]

Whenever people complain about a shortlist leaving off 'so many worthy people/performances/works' I want to present the shortlist and say

Who, specifically, deserves to be on this shortlist, and who, specifically, will you remove from the shortlist to make room for that person?

Pinkett-Smith talked a big talk but let's see her answer that question. For example, the 2016 best actor nominees:

Bryan Cranston, Trumbo
Matt Damon, The Martian
Leonardo DiCaprio, The Revenant
Michael Fassbender, Steve Jobs
Eddie Redmayne, The Danish Girl

This happens all the time with the identity politics fanatics. Not a single woman? Not a single person of colour? Not a single <insert identity grouping here>.

Get rid of Leo because he never wins and also get rid of Eddie Redmayne because he sucks.

You've done half the job. Now, who specifically deserves to be in their place?

 

[ksen]

hitler

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Things could get awkward in future years if there is some sort of unwritten rule that at least a couple of actors/actresses/directors, etc have to get nominated just because they are black. History will not likely kindly on the Oscars if Tyler Perry gets the Best Director Oscar for Big Mama's House 5.

 

[Derec]

Is that because he mixed up the big black guys dressing as women?

 

[thebeave]

Is that because he mixed up the big black guys dressing as women?

I did?

 

[Ford]

And of course the race baiter in chief, Al Sharpton ...

You could help by not taking the bait...

 

[ronburgundy]

Whenever people complain about a shortlist leaving off 'so many worthy people/performances/works' I want to present the shortlist and say

Who, specifically, deserves to be on this shortlist, and who, specifically, will you remove from the shortlist to make room for that person?

Pinkett-Smith talked a big talk but let's see her answer that question. For example, the 2016 best actor nominees:

Bryan Cranston, Trumbo
Matt Damon, The Martian
Leonardo DiCaprio, The Revenant
Michael Fassbender, Steve Jobs
Eddie Redmayne, The Danish Girl

This happens all the time with the identity politics fanatics. Not a single woman? Not a single person of colour? Not a single <insert identity grouping here>.

Get rid of Leo because he never wins and also get rid of Eddie Redmayne because he sucks.

Many of the same knee-jerks claiming racism now would claim anti-transgenderism if Redmayne was left out. Actual talent clearly has nothing to do with who they want nominated.

As for Leo, a repeat nominee not winning is not a reason not to nominate them. Keep in mind that the nominee do nothing after nomination to earn the win. The winners are essentially already decided and the other nominees are just a way of recognizing the 4 runner ups.
All that should matter is whether any of the black male actors in question were clearly superior in their performance to Leo, and its highly plausible that the answer is No, especially given that the films the best of them were in were not generally Oscar type films.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Get rid of Leo because he never wins and also get rid of Eddie Redmayne because he sucks.

Many of the same knee-jerks claiming racism now would claim anti-transgenderism if Redmayne was left out. Actual talent clearly has nothing to do with who they want nominated.

As for Leo, a repeat nominee not winning is not a reason not to nominate them. Keep in mind that the nominee do nothing after nomination to earn the win. The winners are essentially already decided and the other nominees are just a way of recognizing the 4 runner ups.
All that should matter is whether any of the black male actors in question were clearly superior in their performance to Leo, and its highly plausible that the answer is No, especially given that the films the best of them were in were not generally Oscar type films.

Have you seen the films in question? What exactly is an Oscar type film?

 

[Playball40]

Eddie Redmayne was actually incredible in this film.

Get rid of Leo because he never wins and also get rid of Eddie Redmayne because he sucks.

Many of the same knee-jerks claiming racism now would claim anti-transgenderism if Redmayne was left out. Actual talent clearly has nothing to do with who they want nominated.

As for Leo, a repeat nominee not winning is not a reason not to nominate them. Keep in mind that the nominee do nothing after nomination to earn the win. The winners are essentially already decided and the other nominees are just a way of recognizing the 4 runner ups.
All that should matter is whether any of the black male actors in question were clearly superior in their performance to Leo, and its highly plausible that the answer is No, especially given that the films the best of them were in were not generally Oscar type films.

 

[ronburgundy]

Many of the same knee-jerks claiming racism now would claim anti-transgenderism if Redmayne was left out. Actual talent clearly has nothing to do with who they want nominated.

As for Leo, a repeat nominee not winning is not a reason not to nominate them. Keep in mind that the nominee do nothing after nomination to earn the win. The winners are essentially already decided and the other nominees are just a way of recognizing the 4 runner ups.
All that should matter is whether any of the black male actors in question were clearly superior in their performance to Leo, and its highly plausible that the answer is No, especially given that the films the best of them were in were not generally Oscar type films.

Have you seen the films in question? What exactly is an Oscar type film?

Yes.

Oscar-type films are the films that the Oscars tend to nominate for best picture, which generally do not include derivative sequels, even if done better than expected (Creed), gutless whitewash pretending to be a biopic (Compton), or an over-acted political pander full of preachy platitudes that over-simplify the issue with 2-dimensional hero-villain characters that got luke-warm critical reception (Concussion).

All of those movies had positives and weren't "bad" films, but those weaknesses make them atypical of what the Oscar's nominate for best film, and director and lead actor nominations typically follow from best picture. When each of these films and performances is viewed separately, few people expected nominations for them and their lack is not surprising. It is only in the aggregate fact that there are no blacks among the personal nominations that the reaction occurs, but if none of the individuals when judged against their competition is a glaring ommission then their is no reasonable complaint.

Which specific black actor or director do you think was clearly more deserving than which specific whites who were nominated?
And would you claim their film was overall more deserving of best pic than other pics that were nominated?

 

[ronburgundy]

Eddie Redmayne was actually incredible in this film.

Many of the same knee-jerks claiming racism now would claim anti-transgenderism if Redmayne was left out. Actual talent clearly has nothing to do with who they want nominated.

As for Leo, a repeat nominee not winning is not a reason not to nominate them. Keep in mind that the nominee do nothing after nomination to earn the win. The winners are essentially already decided and the other nominees are just a way of recognizing the 4 runner ups.
All that should matter is whether any of the black male actors in question were clearly superior in their performance to Leo, and its highly plausible that the answer is No, especially given that the films the best of them were in were not generally Oscar type films.

I'm not contending otherwise.

 

[Metaphor]

Many of the same knee-jerks claiming racism now would claim anti-transgenderism if Redmayne was left out. Actual talent clearly has nothing to do with who they want nominated.

They've already claimed casting a cis-gender man in the role is a problem, so they might have claimed that Redmayne failing to be nominated validates their feelings.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Have you seen the films in question? What exactly is an Oscar type film?

Yes.

Well, you have spent an awful lot of time and money watching movies you hate. That is an odd thing to do, unless you are a paid critic. Are you a paid critic?

Oscar-type films are the films that the Oscars tend to nominate for best picture,

Which is a tautology.

which generally do not include derivative sequels, even if done better than expected (Creed), gutless whitewash pretending to be a biopic (Compton), or an over-acted political pander full of preachy platitudes that over-simplify the issue with 2-dimensional hero-villain characters that got luke-warm critical reception (Concussion).

Opinionated bloviation signifying nothing. What is an Oscar type film (not what it is not)

All of those movies had positives and weren't "bad" films, but those weaknesses make them atypical of what the Oscar's nominate for best film, and director and lead actor nominations typically follow from best picture. When each of these films and performances is viewed separately, few people expected nominations for them and their lack is not surprising. It is only in the aggregate fact that there are no blacks among the personal nominations that the reaction occurs, but if none of the individuals when judged against their competition is a glaring ommission then their is no reasonable complaint.

again, that is your opinion. And the Oscars in any given year make questionable choices in their nominees and winners. Questionable by the standards and analysis of industry insiders, professional artists and critics, and film historians.

Which specific black actor or director do you think was clearly more deserving than which specific whites who were nominated?
And would you claim their film was overall more deserving of best pic than other pics that were nominated?

Idris Elba should nominated in all categories open the male of species every year whether he worked or not because he is strap-a-mattress-to-my-back-and-lay-me-down FINE!!!!

And my reasoning for this statement is as good as anyone elses and better than most of the people in the academy who voted because mine is not a result of deals, politics, or bribery. It stems for pure and goodly lust.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

So this a problem of race/racism for certain people on this board.

Black boys and men getting shot, that is justified.

Rich and famous black folk not wanting to go a party were rich and famous people give awards to each others, that is a racial high crime and misdemeanor.

 

[arkirk]

Derec is not only opposed to black people not being shot by cops. He also is opposed to Black Actors Matter, Black Directors Matter, Black Musicians Matter, etc.etc.etc. It is the Black part he doesn't seem to like. What is wrong with Sharpton? BPM (Black Preachers Matter).

It is so un-entertaining I haven't watched an Oscar nite in the last ten years and do not miss it. My beef with the Oscars is that it has nothing whatever to do with talent and is really just a bunch of rich kind of good looking people patting each other on the back and passing around phony gold trophies.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

So this a problem of race/racism for certain people on this board.

Black boys and men getting shot, that is justified.

Rich and famous black folk not wanting to go a party were rich and famous people give awards to each others, that is a racial high crime and misdemeanor.

No. And your comparisons and analogies have nothing to do with anything.

Why is it so unbelievable that for this year, black people didn't make films the Academy believed were Oscar worthy?

Is it more believable that the entire Academy either conspired to keep out black people, or that other people made more notable films?
Or, is it more believable that sudden institutional racism has gripped the Academy than it is that other people made more notable films?

The real downside of this now is that next year, when the Academy puts up X number of films made by black people, and nominates X number of black actors, people are going to see it as contrived. Will they have been nominated for their quality, or just because they wanted to not take a bunch of shit?

Until this hubbub is forgotten about, every one is going to question the motives of the Academy when it comes to giving out awards to black people. And that's not good.