No hate crime convictions for white San Jose State students who clamped black roommate in bike lock

[TV and credit cards]

If, during the trial, the defendants attorney was able to establish a history of singling out and bullying a variety of, shall we say, different or unique looking individuals by the defendants, then I think it can be successfully argued that the defendants are not racist dickheads but your common garden variety dickheads. Had Donald Williams Jr. been a gangling white nerd, would he have suffered bullying of similar severity?

Seriously. You can't conceive of the possibility that the type of person who would single out a person of a particular race for harassment, etc. might also single out other individuals who might not 'measure up' or fit into the mainstream world of the person who harassed someone because of the color of their skin?

In my experience, racists tend to not limit their bigotry to persons belonging to a particular race. Rather, they are inclined to 'spred the (non)love around,' so to speak. In other words, someone who is a racist and acts out against someone because of their race might very easily also harass or worse someone if they believed that person to be gay, to be of a different religion or national origins, or different gender, etc. It's entirely consistent. There is no such thing as one horrendous mind set to a customer.

I understand where you're coming from and agree with you. I do not think that is what's at hand here. Did they do this because they believed in racial superiority?
I don't think so.

 

[ronburgundy]

"Hate crime" is a stupid thing anyway.

A crime is a crime.

Assault. Unlawful imprisonment. Seems to describe rather well what went on.

I think hate crime laws make sense--it comes down to the likelyhood of a reoffense.

How often is the person going to find themselves in that situation in the future? Encountering a member of the hated race--frequently. They have a much higher likelyhood of being set off again, thus pose a greater risk to society and a higher sentence is warranted.

A counter argument is that when people who pick their targets at random (the opposite of picking them due to group membership), it means that every single person is a potential target, making the odds of being "set off again" higher.

 

[JonA]

"Hate crime" is a stupid thing anyway.

A crime is a crime.

Assault. Unlawful imprisonment. Seems to describe rather well what went on.

I think hate crime laws make sense--it comes down to the likelyhood of a reoffense.

How often is the person going to find themselves in that situation in the future? Encountering a member of the hated race--frequently. They have a much higher likelyhood of being set off again, thus pose a greater risk to society and a higher sentence is warranted.

Just societies do not punish people for crimes they might commit in the future.

 

[whichphilosophy]

If you want see REAL racism take a look at Beyonce's Superbowl performance. I haven't seen it myself, but from what I understand she was advocating for white slavery.

How could you understand it without seeing it and making up your own mind from a logical perspective?

 

[KeepTalking]

If you want see REAL racism take a look at Beyonce's Superbowl performance. I haven't seen it myself, but from what I understand she was advocating for white slavery.

How could you understand it without seeing it and making up your own mind from a logical perspective?

I believe he was using sarcasm.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The offending students were expelled, convicted of a crime. The "pranks" had racial imagery, but most likely used to get a rise than because of actual hate.

I think there is justice here. Hopefully the convicted students will received a community service sentence that matches the crime they committed and they become wise as to how big of asshats they were.

 

[Toni]

Seriously. You can't conceive of the possibility that the type of person who would single out a person of a particular race for harassment, etc. might also single out other individuals who might not 'measure up' or fit into the mainstream world of the person who harassed someone because of the color of their skin?

In my experience, racists tend to not limit their bigotry to persons belonging to a particular race. Rather, they are inclined to 'spred the (non)love around,' so to speak. In other words, someone who is a racist and acts out against someone because of their race might very easily also harass or worse someone if they believed that person to be gay, to be of a different religion or national origins, or different gender, etc. It's entirely consistent. There is no such thing as one horrendous mind set to a customer.

I understand where you're coming from and agree with you. I do not think that is what's at hand here. Did they do this because they believed in racial superiority?
I don't think so.

I think it's indicative of believing that ones own group is superior which is different in subtle ways. Probably none of those students would say they believe that blacks are inferior. But targeting individuals based on any intrinsic physical characteristic is indicative of believing that they are targeting someone's weakness--some point on which they themselves are more 'normal' or 'ok' than the target.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

The offending students were expelled, convicted of a crime. The "pranks" had racial imagery, but most likely used to get a rise than because of actual hate.

So these boys thought so little of the humanity of their roommate that they thought place a manacle around his neck and/or locking him against his will in a small, dark, enclosed space were just ways to get a rise out of him? Don't you think that might actually be worse than hate?

I think there is justice here. Hopefully the convicted students will received a community service sentence that matches the crime they committed and they become wise as to how big of asshats they were.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

So these boys thought so little of the humanity of their roommate that they thought place a manacle around his neck and/or locking him against his will in a small, dark, enclosed space were just ways to get a rise out of him? Don't you think that might actually be worse than hate?

I think there is justice here. Hopefully the convicted students will received a community service sentence that matches the crime they committed and they become wise as to how big of asshats they were.

Here, have some humanity:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-brutal-knockout-game-video-article-1.2523894

Was this piece of shit found, tried, and convicted of a hate crime?

Don't think that people don't know the statistics of black on white violence vs. the other way around. Yet nobody makes excuses for white people.

Get your own house in order.

 

[laughing dog]

So these boys thought so little of the humanity of their roommate that they thought place a manacle around his neck and/or locking him against his will in a small, dark, enclosed space were just ways to get a rise out of him? Don't you think that might actually be worse than hate?

Here, have some humanity:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-brutal-knockout-game-video-article-1.2523894

Was this piece of shit found, tried, and convicted of a hate crime?

Don't think that people don't know the statistics of black on white violence vs. the other way around. Yet nobody makes excuses for white people.

Get your own house in order.

Is there some actual relevancy to this post or is just some nasty burp?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So these boys thought so little of the humanity of their roommate that they thought place a manacle around his neck and/or locking him against his will in a small, dark, enclosed space were just ways to get a rise out of him? Don't you think that might actually be worse than hate?

Bullying has nothing to do with love. What they did was despicable, but apparently, their actions aren't that bad according to the law (only a misdemeanor *sigh*, had the student fought back, that'd been a felony?).

But they were expelled and convicted.

 

[KeepTalking]

So these boys thought so little of the humanity of their roommate that they thought place a manacle around his neck and/or locking him against his will in a small, dark, enclosed space were just ways to get a rise out of him? Don't you think that might actually be worse than hate?

Here, have some humanity:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-brutal-knockout-game-video-article-1.2523894

Was this piece of shit found, tried, and convicted of a hate crime?

Was it a hate crime? Did the crime have anything to do with hating the random individual who was singled out to be knocked out because of race or religion? Do we even know the race of the victim?

Don't think that people don't know the statistics of black on white violence vs. the other way around. Yet nobody makes excuses for white people.

Get your own house in order.

Why are you asking Athena to get her house in in order? How fucked up is it that you think that Athena is responsible for every black person on the planet?