Obama immigration executive order watch party

[dismal]

Obama's currently maintaining that although an executive order isn't the 'proper' mechanism to accomplish this, the proper mechanism is currently broken. If congress is not functioning an exigent circumstance override is justified.

Exactly. It is with great reluctance that he has agreed to this calling. He loves democracy. He loves the Republic. Once this crisis has abated, he will lay down the powers you have given him.

My copy of the Constitution contains no provision that allows the president to declare congress "broken" and start dictating laws. Let alone because they disagree with him politically.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It is a strawman as Obama is looking to prioritize certain deportations over others. Get the violent ones through the system first. He isn't suspending anything.

So why did the noted constitutional scholar claimed he a had already done everything he could do after "carving out the DREAM Act folks"?

“My job in the executive branch is supposed to be to carry out the laws that are passed. Congress has said ‘here is the law’ when it comes to those who are undocumented, and they’ve allocated a whole bunch of money for enforcement. And, what I have been able to do is to make a legal argument that I think is absolutely right, which is that given the resources that we have, we can’t do everything that Congress has asked us to do. What we can do is then carve out the DREAM Act folks, saying young people who have basically grown up here are Americans that we should welcome. … But if we start broadening that, then essentially I would be ignoring the law in a way that I think would be very difficult to defend legally. So that’s not an option. … What I’ve said is there is a there’s a path to get this done, and that’s through Congress.”

“We are a nation of immigrants. … But we’re also a nation of laws. So what I’ve said is, we need to fix a broken immigration system. And I’ve done everything that I can on my own[.]”

Just wrong and misguided?

Just a lie?

Just ignore him because he's black?

Or perhaps just desperate to get something done. Congress has passed a few thresholds of failure since and Obama is reacting to the changes.

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Exactly. It is with great reluctance that he has agreed to this calling. He loves democracy. He loves the Republic. Once this crisis has abated, he will lay down the powers you have given him.

My copy of the Constitution contains no provision that allows the president to declare congress "broken" and start dictating laws. Let alone because they disagree with him politically.

The leadership disagrees with him. The truth is, it is the radicals in the Republican party that are holding things up. A bipartisan bill was possible under W (when they had control), but the radicals prevented it.

 

[dismal]

So why did the noted constitutional scholar claimed he a had already done everything he could do after "carving out the DREAM Act folks"?

“My job in the executive branch is supposed to be to carry out the laws that are passed. Congress has said ‘here is the law’ when it comes to those who are undocumented, and they’ve allocated a whole bunch of money for enforcement. And, what I have been able to do is to make a legal argument that I think is absolutely right, which is that given the resources that we have, we can’t do everything that Congress has asked us to do. What we can do is then carve out the DREAM Act folks, saying young people who have basically grown up here are Americans that we should welcome. … But if we start broadening that, then essentially I would be ignoring the law in a way that I think would be very difficult to defend legally. So that’s not an option. … What I’ve said is there is a there’s a path to get this done, and that’s through Congress.”

“We are a nation of immigrants. … But we’re also a nation of laws. So what I’ve said is, we need to fix a broken immigration system. And I’ve done everything that I can on my own[.]”

Just wrong and misguided?

Just a lie?

Just ignore him because he's black?

Or perhaps just desperate to get something done. Congress has passed a few thresholds of failure since and Obama is reacting to the changes.

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Exactly. It is with great reluctance that he has agreed to this calling. He loves democracy. He loves the Republic. Once this crisis has abated, he will lay down the powers you have given him.

My copy of the Constitution contains no provision that allows the president to declare congress "broken" and start dictating laws. Let alone because they disagree with him politically.

The leadership disagrees with him. The truth is, it is the radicals in the Republican party that are holding things up. A bipartisan bill was possible under W (when they had control), but the radicals prevented it.

I don't see anything in there that amounts to an argument for a Constitutional power to do this thing. Does that mean you are accepting the great constitutional scholar's position as correct?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Exactly. It is with great reluctance that he has agreed to this calling. He loves democracy. He loves the Republic. Once this crisis has abated, he will lay down the powers you have given him.

My copy of the Constitution contains no provision that allows the president to declare congress "broken" and start dictating laws. Let alone because they disagree with him politically.

Seriously?

Am I, like, the only person on this forum to have watched Star Wars?

 

[ksen]

Are you talking 1970s Star Wars?

Or whatever that was in the 1990s?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So why did the noted constitutional scholar claimed he a had already done everything he could do after "carving out the DREAM Act folks"?

“My job in the executive branch is supposed to be to carry out the laws that are passed. Congress has said ‘here is the law’ when it comes to those who are undocumented, and they’ve allocated a whole bunch of money for enforcement. And, what I have been able to do is to make a legal argument that I think is absolutely right, which is that given the resources that we have, we can’t do everything that Congress has asked us to do. What we can do is then carve out the DREAM Act folks, saying young people who have basically grown up here are Americans that we should welcome. … But if we start broadening that, then essentially I would be ignoring the law in a way that I think would be very difficult to defend legally. So that’s not an option. … What I’ve said is there is a there’s a path to get this done, and that’s through Congress.”

“We are a nation of immigrants. … But we’re also a nation of laws. So what I’ve said is, we need to fix a broken immigration system. And I’ve done everything that I can on my own[.]”

Just wrong and misguided?

Just a lie?

Just ignore him because he's black?

Or perhaps just desperate to get something done. Congress has passed a few thresholds of failure since and Obama is reacting to the changes.

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Exactly. It is with great reluctance that he has agreed to this calling. He loves democracy. He loves the Republic. Once this crisis has abated, he will lay down the powers you have given him.

My copy of the Constitution contains no provision that allows the president to declare congress "broken" and start dictating laws. Let alone because they disagree with him politically.

The leadership disagrees with him. The truth is, it is the radicals in the Republican party that are holding things up. A bipartisan bill was possible under W (when they had control), but the radicals prevented it.

I don't see anything in there that amounts to an argument for a Constitutional power to do this thing. Does that mean you are accepting the great constitutional scholar's position as correct?

Really? Obama has no authority over setting priorities for DAs? I seem to remember the W Admin firing a bunch for not being "loyal Bushies".

 

[dismal]

I don't see anything in there that amounts to an argument for a Constitutional power to do this thing. Does that mean you are accepting the great constitutional scholar's position as correct?

Really? Obama has no authority over setting priorities for DAs? I seem to remember the W Admin firing a bunch for not being "loyal Bushies".

I'm the one quoting Obama here. <edit>

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Really? Obama has no authority over setting priorities for DAs? I seem to remember the W Admin firing a bunch for not being "loyal Bushies".

I'm the one quoting Obama here. <edit>

My personal favorite part about the time during the Obama Administration is how the right-wing always plays the race card card. Always the first to mention it, thereby insulating any them from any criticism.

 

[dismal]

I'm the one quoting Obama here. <edit>

My personal favorite part about the time during the Obama Administration is how the right-wing always plays the race card card. Always the first to mention it, thereby insulating any them from any criticism.

I wasn't the first one in this thread to say disagreeing with Obama was racist. If you're going to make it a habit of policing that sort of thing you're going to have to be more alert.

Now it just seems like you are ducking the question of why Obama is taking actions that Obama says are unconstitutional.

 

[KeepTalking]

My personal favorite part about the time during the Obama Administration is how the right-wing always plays the race card card. Always the first to mention it, thereby insulating any them from any criticism.

I wasn't the first one in this thread to say disagreeing with Obama was racist. If you're going to make it a habit of policing that sort of thing you're going to have to be more alert.

Now it just seems like you are ducking the question of why Obama is taking actions that Obama says are unconstitutional.

Until Obama actually issues an executive order that either suspends deportation entirely, or changes the existing immigration law, he has done no such thing.

 

[ksen]

Now it just seems like you are ducking the question of why Obama is taking actions that Obama says are unconstitutional.

Is he? Which actions are those?

 

[dismal]

Now it just seems like you are ducking the question of why Obama is taking actions that Obama says are unconstitutional.

Is he? Which actions are those?

We'll see. But since Obama already said Obama had gone as far as he could go legally, unless Obama goes backwards Obama will have some real issues with Obama.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

My personal favorite part about the time during the Obama Administration is how the right-wing always plays the race card card. Always the first to mention it, thereby insulating any them from any criticism.

I wasn't the first one in this thread to say disagreeing with Obama was racist. If you're going to make it a habit of policing that sort of thing you're going to have to be more alert.

Now it just seems like you are ducking the question of why Obama is taking actions that Obama says are unconstitutional.

He didn't say it was Unconstitutional. He is merely sharpening the pencil due to the circumstances he continues to inherit from a do nothing Republican Party.

 

[dismal]

I wasn't the first one in this thread to say disagreeing with Obama was racist. If you're going to make it a habit of policing that sort of thing you're going to have to be more alert.

Now it just seems like you are ducking the question of why Obama is taking actions that Obama says are unconstitutional.

He didn't say it was Unconstitutional. He is merely sharpening the pencil due to the circumstances he continues to inherit from a do nothing Republican Party.

When he says he doesn't as president have the power to do something what sort of powers do you think he's referring to?

Super powers? Powers to bend time and space?

I would have thought it pretty obvious he's talking about Constitutional powers.

Hence the "I am not a King" or "We have a system of government that requires the Congress to work with the Executive Branch to make it happen" but not "I am not from Planet Krypton" or "I do not have the mass of a supermassive black hole"

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, he didn't have the power to do it and now he does. It's a power he took and nobody stopped him.

 

[maxparrish]

Well, he didn't have the power to do it and now he does. It's a power he took and nobody stopped him.

In other words, Obama says you have to be Emperor to do what he is now doing, and he was mistaken in saying he was not Emperor - he is. And after he took power, no one is able to impeach him, and no one has assassinated him (yet) - or started a civil war.

This is what America has become - a nation willing to live under a "benevolent" dictator?

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[laughing dog]

The law gives the Executive branch wide latitude in whether or not to pursue deportation in most cases. So I'm not sure what the problem is.

The problem is that Obama is a Democrat. When Bush and Reagan dealt with immigration via executive orders, none of this devout adherents of the Constitution said a word.

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Well, he didn't have the power to do it and now he does. It's a power he took and nobody stopped him.

In other words, Obama says you have to be Emperor to do what he is now doing, and he was mistaken in saying he was not Emperor - he is. And after he took power, no one is able to impeach him, and no one has assassinated him (yet) - or started a civil war.

This is what America has become - a nation willing to live under a "benevolent" dictator?

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[TV and credit cards]

Finally. Finally, the comments on skilled workers that has needed to be made for years. We educate them, let them stay if they want to stay.

 

[Wiploc]

Isn't there a Nixon quote in there?

No, he accepted that what he did was unconstitutional and resigned as opposed to fighting the matter. He could have just done a "Fuck you, it's legal because ... because fuck you, that's why" that the current guys are doing, but he decided to accept his subservience to the Constitution as opposed to the Constitution's subservience to him and got run out of town.

I thought he resigned in order to avoid being thrown out.

I have no memory of him ever repudiating his, "If the president does it it's not illegal," theory. When and how did he "accept his subservience to the Constitution"?

Nixon: Well, when the president does it that means that it is not illegal.

Frost: By definition.
Nixon: Exactly.

--http://www.streetlaw.org/en/Page/722/Nixons_Views_on_Presidential_Power_Excerpts_from_a_1977_Interview_with_David_Frost

That was 3 years after his resignation.

 

[ksen]

Well, he didn't have the power to do it and now he does. It's a power he took and nobody stopped him.

In other words, Obama says you have to be Emperor to do what he is now doing, and he was mistaken in saying he was not Emperor - he is. And after he took power, no one is able to impeach him, and no one has assassinated him (yet) - or started a civil war.

This is what America has become - a nation willing to live under a "benevolent" dictator?

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jesus christ