James Brown
Veteran Member
Why didn't God's command to Leslie Kelly end well?
So your modern day apologetic is to assert that God rendered physical sacrifice unnecessary hundreds (if not thousands) of years BC. Congratulations, you’ve just rendered Jesus’ death unnecessary.
Here's some things you've overlooked.
- Jesus (like Abraham) willingly trusted God.
There are parallels.
- God raised Jesus
and God spared Isaac.
Both events end well.
- There actually WAS a physical sacrifice on Mt Moriah.
Read the text - then bring your A game.
In the details would Abraham pass current Christian moral muster regarding sex? He essentially pimped out his wife for political cover, did he not?
This thread is getting boring - me saying it's about trust not blood/sacrifice and atheists 'splaining what it 'really' means. Nobody even makes the effort to cite a biblical example where people actually do kill the person God commands them to.
Yawn. /thread
"Isaac said, “but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?”
Abraham answered, “God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering?"
It's as if Abraham knows that Isaac is destined to go on and have an innumerable number of grand kids
Well … what's the point of the story then?
I always read it as being that obedience to God's commands is the number one thing. Even if he asks you to do something that your own judgement would consider to be wrong, like killing your child, you should obey the commands of God because he knows better than you.
If that is not the case and Abraham knew that God would stop him before he killed Isaac (and God, I assume, knew that Abraham was aware of this), then what was going on here? There wouldn't appear to be any moral lesson or any real point at all.
This thread is getting boring - me saying it's about trust not blood/sacrifice and atheists 'splaining what it 'really' means. Nobody even makes the effort to cite a biblical example where people actually do kill the person God commands them to.
Yawn. /thread
This thread is getting boring - me saying it's about trust not blood/sacrifice and atheists 'splaining what it 'really' means. Nobody even makes the effort to cite a biblical example where people actually do kill the person God commands them to.
Yawn. /thread
This thread is getting boring
- me saying it's about trust not blood/sacrifice and atheists 'splaining what it 'really' means.
Nobody even makes the effort to cite a biblical example
I don't contend that Abraham was unwilling.
I am saying he believed - trusted - God would NOT take Isaac from him.
Sheesh!
It's like you people have never been on one of those corporate team-building events.
"A trust fall is a purported trust-building game often conducted as a group exercise in which a person deliberately allows themselves to fall, relying on the other members of the group (spotters) to catch the person."
Keith&Co probably thinks this trust experiment is pointless unless someone gets dropped every now and then.
This thread is getting boring - me saying it's about trust not blood/sacrifice and atheists 'splaining what it 'really' means. Nobody even makes the effort to cite a biblical example where people actually do kill the person God commands them to.
Yawn. /thread
I feel a little sorry for you, you are always twisting and turning to justify yourself, Never knowing real peace and what freedom of thought feels like. There is religious experience, there is also the experience of standing on your own two feet without crutches.
Watch that first step, its a doozy.
I feel a little sorry for you, you are always twisting and turning to justify yourself, Never knowing real peace and what freedom of thought feels like. There is religious experience, there is also the experience of standing on your own two feet without crutches.
Watch that first step, its a doozy.
Don't feel sorry for LIRC, he's been peddling his malevolent views here and other forums for years. Trying to excuse or redefine so that it's not all about blood and death is what he does...very poorly. But let's face it, if you read the babble, in the old testament, god kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered (see http://www.evilbible.com/), and that's a conservative estimate.
A lot of the time it is not their fault. The question is why some people avoid being taken in and some manage to free themselves. Christianity is pervasive and self reinforcing. Look at the endless stream of invoking gog on cable news.
It is a miracle there are any who are free of it.