Off duty, black cops in New York feel threat from fellow police

[ksen]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/23/us-usa-police-nypd-race-insight-idUSKBN0K11EV20141223

What’s emerging now is that, within the thin blue line of the NYPD, there is another divide - between black and white officers.

Reuters interviewed 25 African American male officers on the NYPD, 15 of whom are retired and 10 of whom are still serving. All but one said that, when off duty and out of uniform, they had been victims of racial profiling, which refers to using race or ethnicity as grounds for suspecting someone of having committed a crime.

The officers said this included being pulled over for no reason, having their heads slammed against their cars, getting guns brandished in their faces, being thrown into prison vans and experiencing stop and frisks while shopping. The majority of the officers said they had been pulled over multiple times while driving. Five had had guns pulled on them.

B-but there's some data somewhere that says blacks are way more violent because they are black so these off duty black police officers shouldn't be surprised at their treatment at the hands of their fellow white officers.

 

[ksen]

Response from non-racist Tea Partiers

There is no end to the crap they can dig up

Michelle is unfit to breathe American air......... she must be put on the list

Melanin uber alles

Probably true. Due to racial quotas, they’re hiring the dregs of the black community, which means a lot of black cops are borderline thugs (and some are actual gang members). Blacks who are qualified to be cops are in higher paying jobs. This is how a guy like Obama came to occupy the White House.

 

[EPresence2]

I wish the article had also stated the % of other ethnicities that were stopped but found to be innocent (and included their information sources). It also needed to show if there was any spatial pattern to elevated risk for black people; were the elevated stops in areas known for elevated crime? That could be a "which came first: chicken-or-egg" sort of issue that needs a mechanism to correct for changes in the relative amount of crime. It sounds like police departments need to refine the balance between "casting a wide net" and pissing off innocent people.

 

[fromderinside]

Something about wishes and horses .....

There is no egg, just authority and abuse of that authority. In the beginning there was the boss...... no egg either either.

After I get rid of false premises and strawmen I find NOTHING.

Accept that if you are not among the silver spooned you are among the silver shafted. Any other view is a waste of your good genes.

 

[EPresence2]

Something about wishes and horses .....

There is no egg, just authority and abuse of that authority. In the beginning there was the boss...... no egg either either.

After I get rid of false premises and strawmen I find NOTHING.

Accept that if you are not among the silver spooned you are among the silver shafted. Any other view is a waste of your good genes.

Bold assertions are worthless. Next.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I wish the article had also stated the % of other ethnicities that were stopped but found to be innocent (and included their information sources). It also needed to show if there was any spatial pattern to elevated risk for black people; were the elevated stops in areas known for elevated crime?

Like a guy walking to his car is something that requires a stop? Or a guy jogging?

 

[EPresence2]

I wish the article had also stated the % of other ethnicities that were stopped but found to be innocent (and included their information sources). It also needed to show if there was any spatial pattern to elevated risk for black people; were the elevated stops in areas known for elevated crime?

Like a guy walking to his car is something that requires a stop? Or a guy jogging?

Maybe there were other reasons or it was random, which was recently deemed unconstitutional.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Like a guy walking to his car is something that requires a stop? Or a guy jogging?

Maybe there were other reasons or it was random...

A guy walking to his car or jogging shouldn't be stopped unless an officer is looking for information about a potential suspect in the area and they are asking for help.

 

[ksen]

You guys are amazing at the lengths you'll go to in order to excuse the police.

 

[EPresence2]

Maybe there were other reasons or it was random...

A guy walking to his car or jogging shouldn't be stopped unless an officer is looking for information about a potential suspect in the area and they are asking for help.

True, if there were no other (valid) reasons.

You guys are amazing at the lengths you'll go to in order to excuse the police.

I'm just trying to be fair to people I don't know and situations I was not involved in. I am amazed at the length some will go to in order to excuse any civilian involved in an altercation with police. Maybe there is also some degree of unfounded belief that police will harass anyone/anywhere for "walking while black." There are certainly thugs that benefit from that enabling oversimplification and resulting backlash.

 

[ksen]

A guy walking to his car or jogging shouldn't be stopped unless an officer is looking for information about a potential suspect in the area and they are asking for help.

True, if there were no other (valid) reasons.

You guys are amazing at the lengths you'll go to in order to excuse the police.

I'm just trying to be fair to people I don't know and situations I was not involved in. I am amazed at the length some will go to in order to excuse any civilian involved in an altercation with police. Maybe there is also some degree of unfounded belief that police will harass anyone/anywhere for "walking while black." There are certainly thugs that benefit from that enabling oversimplification and resulting backlash.

"thugs"

 

[EPresence2]

Hey Ksen - you should quote my post there.

 

[One]

I'm just trying to be fair to people I don't know and situations I was not involved in. I am amazed at the length some will go to in order to excuse any civilian involved in an altercation with police. Maybe there is also some degree of unfounded belief that police will harass anyone/anywhere for "walking while black." There are certainly thugs that benefit from that enabling oversimplification and resulting backlash.

This routinely happens here in areas of NYC, particularly in Brooklyn. It is also routine for the police to sit in SWAT vans by the subway stations on the weekends in areas like Flatbush, East New York and Brownsville, then jack the minorities getting off the trains against the walls to search them. I lived in those areas and would witness this coming home from work on a regular basis. I have noticed similar treatment in other cities as well because I travel a great deal.

It is not very hard to find the reality of situations like this. It happens everyday.

 

[ksen]

Hey Ksen - you should quote my post there.

stupid page splits

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm just trying to be fair to people I don't know and situations I was not involved in. I am amazed at the length some will go to in order to excuse any civilian involved in an altercation with police.

These people were officers being stopped by officers (a detective in one case).

Maybe there is also some degree of unfounded belief that police will harass anyone/anywhere for "walking while black."

That is what is called "racial profiling" and it is something some on the right like to defend.

There are certainly thugs that benefit from that enabling oversimplification and resulting backlash.

I agree... and those officers should be held accountable.

Hey Ksen - you should quote my post there.

stupid page splits

Put it at 100 posts per page helps limit that.

 

[ksen]

Hey Ksen - you should quote my post there.

stupid page splits

Put it at 100 posts per page helps limit that.

ahhhh, much better!

 

[fromderinside]

Something about wishes and horses .....

There is no egg, just authority and abuse of that authority. In the beginning there was the boss...... no egg either either.

After I get rid of false premises and strawmen I find NOTHING.

Accept that if you are not among the silver spooned you are among the silver shafted. Any other view is a waste of your good genes.

Bold assertions are worthless. Next.

Just following your example.

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[Nexus]

Maybe there is also some degree of unfounded belief that police will harass anyone/anywhere for "walking while black."

Thats not an unfounded belief.

There are certainly thugs that benefit from that enabling oversimplification and resulting backlash.

If it were an unfounded belief like you say, who are these thugs that are benefiting and what benefits specifically?

 

[fromderinside]

This routinely happens here in areas of NYC, particularly in Brooklyn. It is also routine for the police to sit in SWAT vans by the subway stations on the weekends in areas like Flatbush, East New York and Brownsville, then jack the minorities getting off the trains against the walls to search them. I lived in those areas and would witness this coming home from work on a regular basis. I have noticed similar treatment in other cities as well because I travel a great deal.

It is not very hard to find the reality of situations like this. It happens everyday.

Left Coast ringing in here. Although I've been away from there a few years, 12, your post rings true for LA and burbs. 2001. Young friend came into Boeing in LB all excited one Monday. He had been on a date with his GF. They were pulled over near 188th and Normandy (others might remember this site reference for other reasons). He was slammed up against a block wall with scars and bruises to prove it and his GF had a baton passed between here legs right up to her crotch. He's a physicist with Phd and a couple post docs and now about six patents. They were stopped because cops wanted to check their car for drugs -actually they were pulled over for being being black driving in a new beemer - and they were let go without either a warning nor an apology to continue in their now ripped up floor mat Beemer. The stores go on and on and on. By the way O your new police commish didn't really do much about Rampart.

EPresence2 I sure hope you live rural 'cause I can't take much more of this otherwise.

Oh, by the way, I now live rural too so I understand your lack of understanding.

FDI

 

[EPresence2]

Bold assertions are worthless. Next.

Just following your example.

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Was I making an assertion? Check my post again. Here, let me help you...

I wish the article had also stated the % of other ethnicities that were stopped but found to be innocent (and included their information sources). It also needed to show if there was any spatial pattern to elevated risk for black people; were the elevated stops in areas known for elevated crime? That could be a "which came first: chicken-or-egg" sort of issue that needs a mechanism to correct for changes in the relative amount of crime. It sounds like police departments need to refine the balance between "casting a wide net" and pissing off innocent people.