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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/3/duke-university-launches-safe-space-men-consider-t/

Duke University is creating a “safe space” for male students to pore over the ways in which their “toxic masculinities” create a harmful environment on campus and beyond.

The Men’s Project, which is sponsored by the Duke Women’s Center, aims to “create a space of brotherhood fellowship dedicated to interrogating male privilege and patriarchy as it exists in our lives, our campus and our society,” according to the university’s website.​

Really? Are folks at universities these days trying to outcompete one another in seeing who can do the stupidest, most ridiculous shit?
 
On the plus side, if your overwhelming male toxicity starts to get you down you can just decide you're a woman for a few days.
 
This sounds like a good idea. Sometimes men need a safe space away from women where we can openly and honestly share our feelings about the potentially negative aspects of our masculinity in a nonjudgmental environment. Having a club that only men can join for that purpose is a positive development on the part of the university.

My only real concern is that it doesn't go far enough. While they're there, these men can also feel free to discuss the difficulties they experience living a life of wealth and white privilege without exposing themselves to trigger events they'd get from bringing up this topic around poor people and minorities. Perhaps there's a golf course or something near the university which can provide this type of nurturing environment for them.
 
Does the "safe space" have porn?

Porn really helped me pore over my toxic masculinity back when I was in college (and last Thursday).
 
Tom Sawyer said:
My only real concern is that it doesn't go far enough. While they're there, these men can also feel free to discuss the difficulties they experience living a life of wealth and white privilege without exposing themselves to trigger events they'd get from bringing up this topic around poor people and minorities. Perhaps there's a golf course or something near the university which can provide this type of nurturing environment for them.
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Wait, aren't there some males who aren't white?

Or do they get an honorary woman card?
 
Here is the original article http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2016/09/deconstructing-masculinity-duke-mens-project-aims-to-facilitate-discussions-of-male-privilege-and-patriarchy) in the Duke Chronicle from which the Washington Times derived its piece:
The Duke Men’s Project is a nine-week long, storytelling-based program starting Wednesday that aims to discuss masculinity, feminism and intersectionality. It hopes to “create a space of brotherhood fellowship dedicated to interrogating male privilege and patriarchy,” according to its Facebook page. The leadership team consists of four Duke students—senior Conor Smith and juniors Tanner Johnson, Alex Bressler and Dipro Bhowmik.
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dismal said:
Tom Sawyer said:
My only real concern is that it doesn't go far enough. While they're there, these men can also feel free to discuss the difficulties they experience living a life of wealth and white privilege without exposing themselves to trigger events they'd get from bringing up this topic around poor people and minorities. Perhaps there's a golf course or something near the university which can provide this type of nurturing environment for them.
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Wait, aren't there some males who aren't white?

Or do they get an honorary woman card?
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Stop invading my safe space with your trigger warnings. I have a tee time to get to.
 
laughing dog said:
Here is the original article http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2016/09/deconstructing-masculinity-duke-mens-project-aims-to-facilitate-discussions-of-male-privilege-and-patriarchy) in the Duke Chronicle from which the Washington Times derived its piece:
The Duke Men’s Project is a nine-week long, storytelling-based program starting Wednesday that aims to discuss masculinity, feminism and intersectionality. It hopes to “create a space of brotherhood fellowship dedicated to interrogating male privilege and patriarchy,” according to its Facebook page. The leadership team consists of four Duke students—senior Conor Smith and juniors Tanner Johnson, Alex Bressler and Dipro Bhowmik.
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So, no porn then.
 
Excellent idea! I can see how this would be threatening to some guys, though. I mean, the idea that some of your fellow males might have the wherewithal to examine their own beliefs and prejudices in a place where they won't be shamed by knuckle draggers for being honest or changing their minds must make some people feel like their ideological numbers are dwindling. Probably downright terrifying for some who have been led to believe anything but cave man sensibilities are acceptable among men.

Do you feel your power draining? Mwhahahahaha!
 
How is this going to solve anything at all? The guys who are involved in campus rapes will be either ignorant or critical of this safe space designed for them.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
How is this going to solve anything at all? The guys who are involved in campus rapes will be either ignorant or critical of this safe space designed for them.
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Good. The better they will stand out. :)

But seriously, the problem is not with the obvious cases. It's culture-wide, meaning everyone to some degree takes part in it whether they know it or not. Anyone can point to blatant misogyny and condemn it. It's people who don't hold particularly hateful or prejudice views that inadvertently contribute through the subtle, small things that everyone thinks are no big deal and perfectly acceptable. That's what makes it so easy for abusers to do as they please. There's more leeway than conflict for abusers because of the nice guys not realizing their role in it. These guys, apparently, don't want to be that kind of nice guy anymore.

It's no one's fault for being a product of their culture, but some men are not insecure or afraid of women and have the wherewithal to understand how those seemingly insignificant actions and acceptance and jokes create a hostile environment for people that they do not want to have to live in a hostile environment, and they're not so stupid or immature as to take it all personally.
 
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