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Origins of Religion

DLH

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In its broadest sense, religion can be described as the pursuit or interest to which one ascribes supreme importance, characterized by a strict adherence to a specific set of principles. In this definition, everyone might be considered religious. Throughout human history, there has never been a known society without some form of religious practice. However, the systematic study of religion's origins and development is a relatively recent endeavor. For most of human history, one's religious tradition was inherited without choice, often with little awareness of alternatives. This began to change in the 19th century with mass migration and advancements in communication and travel.

The advent of scientific inquiry, notably the theory of evolution, prompted intellectuals to question established religious institutions. Using methodologies from anthropology, sociology, and psychology, scholars have explored the human mind and ancient civilizations to understand spiritual practices, both past and present.

Several prominent theories have emerged regarding the inception of religion:​
  • One theory posits that religion evolved from primitive beliefs in an immortal soul persisting after death, residing in natural surroundings. Dreams, hallucinations, or visions of deceased ancestors fueled this belief.
  • Another suggests that early humans worshipped not an individual immortal soul but an impersonal supernatural force that controlled all aspects of life, born from the fear and awe of the unknown.
  • Yet another theory argues that religion developed from magic, as an attempt to manipulate the environment through mimicry of natural phenomena. For example, simulating rain through water and drumming to mimic thunder.
Determining the exact origins of religion with any precision or confirmability is challenging. Many of these theories can be seen as attempts to rationalize religion by attributing its beginnings to illusions, ignorance, or fear, thus undermining its legitimacy. However, no universally accepted explanation has emerged, and ironically, such theories might themselves be based on ignorance or fear of the unknown. It's worth noting that science and religion share more common ground than often acknowledged, both in their pursuit of understanding the human condition and the universe.

Moreover, it's evident that despite geographical, cultural, traditional, and social separations, many world religions share fundamental concepts, suggesting a deeper, perhaps universal, human quest for meaning and connection.​
 
Religion served a number of purposes

1. Social order.
2. Rules form a god as a supreme authority.
3. Answering questions of existence and reality, without the benefit of science.
4. A unfunny force, adds to group survival.

Yea, it sounds too poished to be DLH.
 
If this is AI text — and it sure sounds like it, while the pic looks AI, too — maybe this should open a discussion among the mods whether AI text should be allowed at all, with or without a cite. It has the bland, anodyne, let’s-consider-both-sides feel of AI, and the very first sentence is an opinion at best, and not one that I share. Also it’s quite different from DLH’s usual nasty and condescending posting style.
 
I should add that the art is vapid, very suggestive that it is AI.
 
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In its broadest sense, religion can be described as the pursuit or interest to which one ascribes supreme importance, characterized by a strict adherence to a specific set of principles.​

The could describe practically anything — playing baseball, plumbing, architecture. It’s such a broad definition that it is useless.
 
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In its broadest sense, religion can be described as the pursuit or interest to which one ascribes supreme importance, characterized by a strict adherence to a specific set of principles.​

The could describe practically anything — playing baseball, plumbing, architecture. It’s such a broad definition that it is useless.
It is just Paul Tillich: God is "the name for that which concerns man ultimately."
 
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In its broadest sense, religion can be described as the pursuit or interest to which one ascribes supreme importance, characterized by a strict adherence to a specific set of principles.​

The could describe practically anything — playing baseball, plumbing, architecture. It’s such a broad definition that it is useless.
It is just Paul Tillich: God is "the name for that which concerns man ultimately."

Sure, and he included atheists in this, but of course ordinarily and by convention when we speak of religion as such we are referring to ideas about god, the supernatural,etc.
 
Well, anyway. I think the picture is very nice.

The could describe practically anything — playing baseball, plumbing, architecture. It’s such a broad definition that it is useless.
Was it DLH that posted that 'god' is anything? Even a chocolate bar?

Even a piece of shit can be god; more, literally a god. Of course, if shit is responsible for this world, that would explain a lot.
 
Sure, and he included atheists in this, but of course ordinarily and by convention when we speak of religion as such we are referring to ideas about god, the supernatural,etc.
My old pocket dictionary was very good on this definition. It had 5 definitions. The first was "worship or service of God or the supernatural". The first four all included that phrase. The last one was "fervently held world view or ideology".

Religious apologists like to blur the meanings together. That way they can lump us all together, then tell us why their religion is the best and truest. They do it a lot.
Tom
 

"Several prominent theories have emerged regarding the inception of religion:

  • One theory posits that religion evolved from primitive beliefs in an immortal soul persisting after death, residing in natural surroundings. Dreams, hallucinations, or visions of deceased ancestors fueled this belief.
  • Another suggests that early humans worshipped not an individual immortal soul but an impersonal supernatural force that controlled all aspects of life, born from the fear and awe of the unknown.
  • Yet another theory argues that religion developed from magic, as an attempt to manipulate the environment through mimicry of natural phenomena. For example, simulating rain through water and drumming to mimic thunder.
Determining the exact origins of religion with any precision or confirmability is challenging."

This confidently ignores the most obvious reasons for religion.

It buttresses the human propensity to tribalism. WE believe in the right God(s) and follow the true morality and ethics. THEY do not.
From that follows the main reason for Religion. It buttresses the authority of the elite. Little buttresses "Do what I say!" like claiming that you speak for God, and anyone who disagrees hates God.

This is not difficult to understand. It's why revealed religion remains a force in the modern world while The God of the Gaps keeps shrinking towards oblivion.
Tom
 
In its broadest sense, religion can be described as the pursuit or interest to which one ascribes supreme importance, characterized by a strict adherence to a specific set of principles.​

No. That would make my workout routine a religion and it isn't literally a religion. You could say figuratively it is as well as a lot of other stupid commentary.
 
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he oldest known fictional story is widely considered to be the Sumerian epic poem, "The Epic of Gilgamesh," dating back to the third millennium BCE, around 4000 years ago.
 
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In its broadest sense, religion can be described as the pursuit or interest to which one ascribes supreme importance, characterized by a strict adherence to a specific set of principles.​

The could describe practically anything — playing baseball, plumbing, architecture. It’s such a broad definition that it is useless.
To be fair, such absurdly broad definitions are something that DLH posts religiously...
 
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In its broadest sense, religion can be described as the pursuit or interest to which one ascribes supreme importance, characterized by a strict adherence to a specific set of principles.​

The could describe practically anything — playing baseball, plumbing, architecture. It’s such a broad definition that it is useless.
To be fair, such absurdly broad definitions are something that DLH posts religiously...

Oxford Dictionary: Religion - a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
 
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In its broadest sense, religion can be described as the pursuit or interest to which one ascribes supreme importance, characterized by a strict adherence to a specific set of principles.​

The could describe practically anything — playing baseball, plumbing, architecture. It’s such a broad definition that it is useless.
To be fair, such absurdly broad definitions are something that DLH posts religiously...

Oxford Dictionary: Religion - a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.

:rolleyes:

That is the third definition. When atheists here are talking about religion, they are talking about the first two definitions, and you know this perfectly well. What prompted you to cherry pick and post only the metaphorical use of the word, “Religion”? :unsure:
 
Religion originates with superstition, and superstition has been hard-wired into animals for a long time.

Pigeons exhibit it, as famously demonstrated by B. F. Skinner's 1948 paper (https://psycnet.apa.org/doi/10.1037/h0055873 - paywalled, but you can almost certainly find a free text via google, as it's a very frequently cited study in psychology).

Random (and therefore entiry unpredictable) events lead to operant conditioning of random hypothetical causative actions.

People want to believe that they can influence the entirely disinterested natural phenomena that affect their lives, and superstition lets them pretend that their wants are realizable, even though they are not.

The introduction of a third party - the gods - is a way to explain away the failure of the superstitious act to work consistently. "I did all the right things to stop lightning from striking the village, but Thor decided to do it anyway for reasons of his own" feels better than "I did all the right things to stop lightning from striking the village, but it was utterly ineffective, probably because I am not really able to influence the weather at all".

Not only does it feel better, it's also less likely to get you put back on latrine digging duty, in place of your cushy job as tribal shaman.
 
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