Pastor Kevin Swanson Calls For Executing Gays At Event Attended By GOP Candidates [VIDEO]

[Crazy Eddie]

If you do not support a death penalty for homosexuals, it is because you do not REALLY believe that homosexuals deserve to die. Simple as that.

Not if you believe both 1) homosexuals are worthy of death and 2) you shall not kill.

If you shall not kill, then NO ONE is worthy of death. You cannot believe both at the same time. And Christians, overwhelmingly, do not.

Plus, there's a disconnect between believing one is worthy of death and a stance on capital punishment.

No there is not. If a man deserves to die, then killing him is justice. If you do not believe that human beings should kill other human beings, then you believe that NO MAN deserves to die.

People CLAIM to believe all kinds of contradictory things, but a genuine belief leads to action, not platitudes. A man who claims to believe his wife is loyal and will never cheat on him isn't going to be constantly checking her phone, email and facebook account to see who she's talking to and questioning why so many of her friends are males. Likewise, a woman can claim to believe in the sanctity of marriage and that divorce is an offense to god, but the three divorces on her record reveal that claim to be bullshit.

And that's what it really boils down to: there's beliefs, and then there's bullshit. In this and many other issues, Christians are bullshitting themselves.

I think those trespassing while living in tent cities should be forcibly removed, but I also don't think it's my place to remove them.

Which is a different thing: you PERSONALLY don't have the authority to evict people since you're not a cop. That's a different thing from you believing that people in tent cities should be run off but at the same time not bothering to advocate for their removal, or report them to the authorities, or even complain when the authorities go out of their way NOT to remove them.

In such a situation, your statement "I believe they should be forcibly removed" is bullshit. You don't actually believe it, you have other reasons for saying it that have nothing whatsoever to do with what you think should really happen.

 

[Alias2]

Anyone who wants to kill homosexuals is a wolf in sheep's clothing, not a Christian. You're confused. Islam is the religion that teaches killing others because of their sin, mot Christians.

Leviticus 20:9-16 called, reminding you that gays, adulterers, and every teenager ever, are to be put to death. Also, 2 Chronicles 15:13 is drunkingly shouting in the background of the call, telling you to put to death everyone who doesn't seek god. The rest of the bible verses telling you to kill people for one reason or another decided to just assume you'd get the message without them needing to make it clear.

Lame and ignorant. Tell us which Christian denomination in the United States is practicing this? Go ahead. Moron.

 

[Bomb#20]

Why isn't the homosexual mafia clogging the media with outrage over this? Because Muslims and homosexuals are both a protected class by the left. .Cowards and hypocrites.http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/07/01/islamic-protesters-burn-lgbt-flag-calling-it-offensive/

Did you follow the link in your link? The source is The People's Cube. It's a satire website like The Onion. Looks like some Israelis didn't know who they were and took it seriously, kind of like that time a Chinese newspaper reported that Congress had sold the U.S. Capitol building.

 

[Bomb#20]

Not if you believe both 1) homosexuals are worthy of death and 2) you shall not kill.

If you shall not kill, then NO ONE is worthy of death. You cannot believe both at the same time. And Christians, overwhelmingly, do not.

Plus, there's a disconnect between believing one is worthy of death and a stance on capital punishment.

No there is not. If a man deserves to die, then killing him is justice. If you do not believe that human beings should kill other human beings, then you believe that NO MAN deserves to die.

Frodo: What a pity Bilbo did not stab the vile creature, when he had a chance!

Gandalf: Pity? It was Pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and Mercy: not to strike without need.

Frodo: I do not feel any pity for Gollum. He deserves death.

Gandalf: Deserves death! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give that to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.

 

[fast]

Not if you believe both 1) homosexuals are worthy of death and 2) you shall not kill. Plus, there's a disconnect between believing one is worthy of death and a stance on capital punishment. One could easily witness an atrocity and believe one is worthy of death yet not budge on their death by man stance.

I think those trespassing while living in tent cities should be forcibly removed, but I also don't think it's my place to remove them.

Is this trespassing tent city phenomenon something happening in South Carolina?

No.

 

[fast]

Not if you believe both 1) homosexuals are worthy of death and 2) you shall not kill.

If you shall not kill, then NO ONE is worthy of death. You cannot believe both at the same time. And Christians, overwhelmingly, do not.

Plus, there's a disconnect between believing one is worthy of death and a stance on capital punishment.

No there is not. If a man deserves to die, then killing him is justice. If you do not believe that human beings should kill other human beings, then you believe that NO MAN deserves to die.

People CLAIM to believe all kinds of contradictory things, but a genuine belief leads to action, not platitudes. A man who claims to believe his wife is loyal and will never cheat on him isn't going to be constantly checking her phone, email and facebook account to see who she's talking to and questioning why so many of her friends are males. Likewise, a woman can claim to believe in the sanctity of marriage and that divorce is an offense to god, but the three divorces on her record reveal that claim to be bullshit.

And that's what it really boils down to: there's beliefs, and then there's bullshit. In this and many other issues, Christians are bullshitting themselves.

I think those trespassing while living in tent cities should be forcibly removed, but I also don't think it's my place to remove them.

Which is a different thing: you PERSONALLY don't have the authority to evict people since you're not a cop. That's a different thing from you believing that people in tent cities should be run off but at the same time not bothering to advocate for their removal, or report them to the authorities, or even complain when the authorities go out of their way NOT to remove them.

In such a situation, your statement "I believe they should be forcibly removed" is bullshit. You don't actually believe it, you have other reasons for saying it that have nothing whatsoever to do with what you think should really happen.

Why in the world do you think that a belief is bullshit if one doesn't act on it? I believe people on meth should get clean, but if you're guessing I lift not a hand to help make it happen, then you're guessing right. You think, therefore, that because I make no efforts to help them get clean that I don't really believe it. Interesting.

I think people are worthy of being happy, yet I'm not obligated to make it happen. If people believe that homosexuals are worthy of death, they are not therefore obliged to fight for what they believe. I don't think having an abortion should be a quick and easy procedure, but I don't have to act on that belief.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Leviticus 20:9-16 called, reminding you that gays, adulterers, and every teenager ever, are to be put to death. Also, 2 Chronicles 15:13 is drunkingly shouting in the background of the call, telling you to put to death everyone who doesn't seek god. The rest of the bible verses telling you to kill people for one reason or another decided to just assume you'd get the message without them needing to make it clear.

Lame and ignorant. Tell us which Christian denomination in the United States is practicing this? Go ahead. Moron.

The KKK, for one.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

"The homosexual mafia" is a great image. Now I'm re-imagining classic mob movies in that light. Wow! Goodfellas indeed.

Do the American Hustle
The Gayfather
Queen of New York
Carlitos Gay
Big Caesar
Gays and Dolls
Scarface and his Makeover

 

[dystopian]

Lame and ignorant. Tell us which Christian denomination in the United States is practicing this? Go ahead. Moron.

Ah, so you're telling me that (modern) christians don't actually practice what their holy book preaches?

How shocking.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

If you shall not kill, then NO ONE is worthy of death. You cannot believe both at the same time. And Christians, overwhelmingly, do not.

Plus, there's a disconnect between believing one is worthy of death and a stance on capital punishment.

No there is not. If a man deserves to die, then killing him is justice. If you do not believe that human beings should kill other human beings, then you believe that NO MAN deserves to die.

People CLAIM to believe all kinds of contradictory things, but a genuine belief leads to action, not platitudes. A man who claims to believe his wife is loyal and will never cheat on him isn't going to be constantly checking her phone, email and facebook account to see who she's talking to and questioning why so many of her friends are males. Likewise, a woman can claim to believe in the sanctity of marriage and that divorce is an offense to god, but the three divorces on her record reveal that claim to be bullshit.

And that's what it really boils down to: there's beliefs, and then there's bullshit. In this and many other issues, Christians are bullshitting themselves.

I think those trespassing while living in tent cities should be forcibly removed, but I also don't think it's my place to remove them.

Which is a different thing: you PERSONALLY don't have the authority to evict people since you're not a cop. That's a different thing from you believing that people in tent cities should be run off but at the same time not bothering to advocate for their removal, or report them to the authorities, or even complain when the authorities go out of their way NOT to remove them.

In such a situation, your statement "I believe they should be forcibly removed" is bullshit. You don't actually believe it, you have other reasons for saying it that have nothing whatsoever to do with what you think should really happen.

Why in the world do you think that a belief is bullshit if one doesn't act on it?

Because people DO act on a belief if it is sincere.

I believe that the bronze key on my keychain will unlock my door and the silver key won't. Ergo, I use the bronze key, not the silver one. If I tell you "the silver key opens the door" and then use the bronze key instead, then that statement doesn't respect what I actually believe. I may SAY it, but I don't actually BELIEVE it.

If I say something that I know to be false, then I'm merely lying to you. If I say something that is obviously false but pretend in my own mind that it's true anyway (e.g. "I know the silver key isn't the right one, but I'm going to pretend it is if anyone asks and try to invent some kind of elaborate explanation for how this can be the case") then I'm bullshitting you.

The weird thing is, some people actually bullshit THEMSELVES with these beliefs. They actually say in their own minds "The silver key is my house key" and use the bronze one anyway. More famously "My wife would never cheat on me... that guy she's always hanging out with is just her personal trainer."

I believe people on meth should get clean, but if you're guessing I lift not a hand to help make it happen, then you're guessing right. You think, therefore, that because I make no efforts to help them get clean that I don't really believe it.

If YOU are on meth, and make no efforts to get clean, then the statement "People on meth should get clean" is clearly not one you sincerely hold.

If you were to state "People in the community should help meth addicts get clean" and you do not lift a finger to make it happen, then no, you do not really believe it.

Action is the real test of any belief, and the lack of action when it counts is how we sort genuine beliefs from bullshit. As an example: I believe that if someone were attempting to harm my son or my sister or any other close family, I would and should immediately intervene to stop that person using any force neccesary and possible. I cannot know that this is a genuine belief since I have never actually had to put it to the test; it is entirely possible that I am wrong, that under extreme pressure I would actually turn out to be a coward and would go hide somewhere while my loved ones fend for themselves. I don't THINK that's who I am at heart, but what I think is infinitely less important than what I actually DO.

Give Kevin Swanson a gun and tell him "The man in front of you is a homosexual. The gun is loaded. No witnesses, no police. What will you do?" If he does anything except pull the trigger, then he does NOT believe that homosexuals deserve to die; he does not believe Leviticus 20:13 applies, and he does not believe any of the bullshit he spewed in that sermon. He is, in that case, all talk: he doesn't believe it, he just says he does to prove a point.

I don't think having an abortion should be a quick and easy procedure, but I don't have to act on that belief.

Nor are you in a POSITION to act on that belief.

OTOH, a woman who believes abortion is wrong under any and all circumstances may find herself in exactly that position at some point in her life. She may indeed choose an early trimester procedure specifically because it is quick and easy. What, then, can you say about her beliefs?

 

[dystopian]

Give Kevin Swanson a gun and tell him "The man in front of you is a homosexual. The gun is loaded. No witnesses, no police. What will you do?" If he does anything except pull the trigger, then he does NOT believe that homosexuals deserve to die;

Or he *does* believe it, but wants *other* people to do it for him instead of getting his own hands dirty.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Give Kevin Swanson a gun and tell him "The man in front of you is a homosexual. The gun is loaded. No witnesses, no police. What will you do?" If he does anything except pull the trigger, then he does NOT believe that homosexuals deserve to die;

Or he *does* believe it, but wants *other* people to do it for him instead of getting his own hands dirty.

In which case his beliefs about HOMOSEXUALS remains bullshit; that isn't a belief about the morality of homosexuality, it's a belief about the morality of murder.

Then it's a question of whether or not he takes action to DEFEND a man who murders a homosexual on his behalf. Or, for that matter, stands by and watches the execution style murder of a homosexual by one of his congregation and does nothing to stop him or bring the killer to justice. I suspect that that "belief" would also turn out to be bullshit.

 

[zorq]

Why in the world do you think that a belief is bullshit if one doesn't act on it? I believe people on meth should get clean, but if you're guessing I lift not a hand to help make it happen, then you're guessing right. You think, therefore, that because I make no efforts to help them get clean that I don't really believe it. Interesting.

Suppose for a moment I granted you the magical power to give any meth addict you stumbled across a mystically inspired will power to abstain from their addiction and improve their lives. All you would have to do to activate that power was to raise your hand. You are telling me that you would always refuse to raise your hand to help any meth head who was withering away on the other side of the street?

Really?

Can you see why I might doubt either the sincerity of your belief or the quality of your character here?

I think people are worthy of being happy, yet I'm not obligated to make it happen. If people believe that homosexuals are worthy of death, they are not therefore obliged to fight for what they believe. I don't think having an abortion should be a quick and easy procedure, but I don't have to act on that belief.

No, you aren't obligated to make it happen but the reason for not helping it happen must be greater than the reason for making it happen. "I'm lazy," and "It's too much trouble," are legitimate reasons and I'm not discounting them, but it is unknown for humans to hold beliefs which don't influence their behavior in some way. This is especially easy to see when the costs, opportunity, financial or otherwise are eliminated from the equation.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Lame and ignorant. Tell us which Christian denomination in the United States is practicing this? Go ahead. Moron.

Ah, so you're telling me that (modern) christians don't actually practice what their holy book preaches?

How shocking.

When something is sufficiently contradictory one can come to any conclusion about anything from reading it.

 

[dystopian]

Or he *does* believe it, but wants *other* people to do it for him instead of getting his own hands dirty.

In which case his beliefs about HOMOSEXUALS remains bullshit; that isn't a belief about the morality of homosexuality, it's a belief about the morality of murder.

I don't see how that follows. Just because a person who claims to believe homosexuals need to be killed doesn't want to do it himself, doesn't mean he really doesn't believe they should be killed. Does the fact that I don't gather up the garbage bags my neighbours and I throw out and bring them to the recycling plant mean that I don't believe in recycling or getting rid of garbage instead of letting it pile up? Because I *do* believe in those things, but I'd much rather let other people take care of it; and also, I believe there's people who specifically have that job.

Your hypothetical scenario does nothing to establish whether or not the man actually believes gay people need to be killed; all it establishes is whether or not he's willing to do the deed himself. The position of "I want X to be killed" is not in conflict with the position of "I don't want to kill X."; and this second position doesn't have to be a belief about the morality of murder at all; refusing to do a thing is not a statement on the morality of said thing.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

In which case his beliefs about HOMOSEXUALS remains bullshit; that isn't a belief about the morality of homosexuality, it's a belief about the morality of murder.

I don't see how that follows. Just because a person who claims to believe homosexuals need to be killed doesn't want to do it himself, doesn't mean he really doesn't believe they should be killed.

If something should be done, and he doesn't want to do it, it's because he either doesn't really believe it should be done, or he believes that the people whose are in a position to do these things should do them.

If his excuse is "Who me? I'm not a murderer." Then he has backpedaled to the latter belief.

Does the fact that I don't gather up the garbage bags my neighbours and I throw out and bring them to the recycling plant mean that I don't believe in recycling or getting rid of garbage instead of letting it pile up? Because I *do* believe in those things, but I'd much rather let other people take care of it; and also, I believe there's people who specifically have that job.

Right. That's not a belief about the recycling or getting rid of garbage. It's a belief about people whose job it is to DO that.

So if you live in a community that doesn't have a garbage service, doesn't allow people to own garbage cans, and requires people to store their garbage in their home forever, and you do nothing to change that, what does that say about your beliefs?

Your hypothetical scenario does nothing to establish whether or not the man actually believes gay people need to be killed

He DOESN'T believe it. He is bullshitting. If he actually believed it, he'd be lobbying for a legislative action to make it happen. That's what really happens when this belief is sincerely held.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Ya, I agree with Eddie. It's still about the morality of murder. Whether you're saying that you should do it yourself or that someone else should do it, you're arguing that somebody should have the job of killing homosexuals for the crime of being gay.

Just because he doesn't want to get his own hands dirty doesn't mean he's not arguing that there's a crime people should be killed for committing.

 

[fast]

Ya, I agree with Eddie. It's still about the morality of murder. Whether you're saying that you should do it yourself or that someone else should do it, you're arguing that somebody should have the job of killing homosexuals for the crime of being gay.

Just because he doesn't want to get his own hands dirty doesn't mean he's not arguing that there's a crime people should be killed for committing.

Oh come on, not you too! Surely you recognize the difference between holding a belief and acting on it. It doesn't follow that we don't believe what we say we do from not acting on a belief.

 

[fast]

Suppose for a moment I granted you the magical power to give any meth addict you stumbled across a mystically inspired will power to abstain from their addiction and improve their lives. All you would have to do to activate that power was to raise your hand. You are telling me that you would always refuse to raise your hand to help any meth head who was withering away on the other side of the street?

Really?

Can you see why I might doubt either the sincerity of your belief or the quality of your character here?

I'm not saying that at all. If I could help people with such ease and certainty, of course I would--even if they were homosexuals, I might add.

If I just so happen to claim that I believe that a non-church affiliated, state-sanctioned marriage between gays was not a harmful action with negative consequences to the moral fabric of a community AND chose not to vote in favor of it, I could see why one might call my claim bullshit, but it's asinine to make the blanket assumption that claimed beliefs are in any way insincere because (for a variety of possible reasons) one chooses not to act in support of said held beliefs.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Ya, I agree with Eddie. It's still about the morality of murder. Whether you're saying that you should do it yourself or that someone else should do it, you're arguing that somebody should have the job of killing homosexuals for the crime of being gay.

Just because he doesn't want to get his own hands dirty doesn't mean he's not arguing that there's a crime people should be killed for committing.

Oh come on, not you too! Surely you recognize the difference between holding a belief and acting on it. It doesn't follow that we don't believe what we say we do from not acting on a belief.

I'm not following you. If I say that theft of $10,000 should be punished by three years in jail, you're saying that it's not my position that I think a court should sentence a person who stole $10,000 worth of stuff to three years in jail?

The essence of my position is my belief that this punishment fits this crime, so people who commit this crime should receive this punishment. I'm not saying that I should personally lock him my basement for three years. I'm saying that we have a system to deal with criminals and that system should deal with this criminal in this manner.

Similarly, this guy is saying that he believes that homosexuality is a crime and that crime should be punished by death. It doesn't mean that he wants to personally kill them but that he feels God has made it very clear that this is what the law should be and that the criminal justice system should deal with these criminals in this manner.