Payments To Insurers Under Affordable Care Act Are Illegal

[dismal]

Maybe read the link.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...affordable-care-act-are-illegal/#1aaea1147dba

So, you don't actually know what law was broken. Thanks for clearing that up.

The link says. I can read it. I can't help you read it.

 

[bilby]

... illegally spending multiple billions of the taxpayers sacred money ought to result in a pretty hefty fine.

The money is US dollars - it's not the taxpayers' money, it's the government's (and it sure as shit isn't sacred).

Modern governments with sovereign currencies (for example the US Government) issue money. They collect money via taxation, but that's not the money they spend - they can and do spend more money than was ever paid to them in taxes.

Governments (in modern representative democracies) are beholden to their people, based not on the taxes the people pay, but on the votes people cast. Governments in nondemocratic nations are not beholden to their people at all, regardless of how much tax those people might pay.

Paying taxes does not entitle citizens to anything.

Spending multiple billions of dollars is what governments do. Illegally spending multiple billions of dollars ought to result in a pretty hefty fine, but ONLY because of the 'illegally' part. And the Government is a corporate entity - if the 'illegally' part is correct, and if any fine is to be paid for that illegal act, then it is the Government that is on the hook, not any individual. If Trump Hotels and Casinos breaks the law, and is fined, the fine comes out of the corporation's funds, not the CEO's pocket.

Fortunately for humanity, the simple fact that an illegal act has occurred is not sufficient to lead to penalties for the transgressor - we don't (yet) live in the world of Judge Dredd, where the most trivial breach of the law must be penalized at any cost. Law enforcement includes some discretion; Where a law has been broken, the system is designed to tolerate this where no significant harm has been done. A cop has better things to do than spend a week tracking down the person who dropped his gum wrapper in a public park. The law is not sacred, any more than money is.

The government spending money that was created by the government on things that the voters benefit from (eg health care) is perfectly sound morally; If it happens to be illegal, then that is simply an indication that the law is fucking stupid. Lots of law is.

 

[laughing dog]

So, you don't actually know what law was broken. Thanks for clearing that up.

The link says. I can read it. I can't help you read it.

The link is not accessible to everyone. But more importantly, if the link contains the information which law was broken, it would be simple task for you to reproduce that text thereby proving
1) what you claim, and
2) that you can read at least at the 3rd grade level.

Right now, there is no evidence to support either of your claims.

 

[ksen]

Well, you did say this in reference to Obama, earlier in the thread:

Yes, and they can also demand he pays back the billions.

How Trumpian of you to claim that you said nothing of the sort, when all we have to do is scroll up.

Yes, they can demand he pay them pack the billions he spent. It should have been clear he spent the billions (not received it) from, say, any of the following posts:

Illegally gave insurers $Billions.

The President illegally spends billions

Obama illegally spending money

Obama illegally spending money on them is accurate.

some of those companies were around even before Obama started illegally giving them billions.

the government illegally distributed money

The reality is that the CMS prioritized payments to insurance companies over payments to the US Treasury when the law gave it no authority to do so. This prioritization resulted in insurance companies getting money that legally belonged to the taxpayers.

the money the government illegally gave them

I added the bold to help those who aren't yet up to 3rd grade reading level.

So, Obama never received the money, but somehow personally paid out all the money he never received to the insurers, and now has to personally pay back the money he never received in the first place. Is this your final answer?

He was in charge of illegally paying out that money. They could punish him by requiring him to make some sort of restitution.

I'm sure Elizabeth Warren can do it. She beat up that Wells Fargo CEO and he paid some money back.

No he didn't. He gave up future stock options.