Pelosi: Impeachment Is Moving Forward

[angelo]

Double standards anyone? Not a whimper of protest or talk of impeachment during the Obuma era even though article no. 10 on this list was surely grounds for impeachment. Oh, that's right, Obuma was from the left of the political spectrum!

https://gellerreport.com/2020/01/th...4-but-no-one-called-for-his-impeachment.html/


The GAO Ruled Obama Broke The Law in 2014, But No One Called for His Impeachment

 

[TV and credit cards]

HOLY FUCK! Parnas singing like a bird on Maddow.

here's a good overview:

Trump 'knew exactly what was going on', Giuliani aide claims

Other White House officials knew about the alleged campaign against Mr Biden, Mr Parnas alleged. They included Attorney General William Barr, who Mr Parnas said was "basically on the team", and former national security advisor John Bolton, who Mr Parnas said "100%" knew about it.

Mr Trump has said he does not know Mr Parnas. Referring to photos of himself with Mr Parnas and another Giuliani associate, he said: "It's possible I have a picture with them because I have a picture with everybody."

But Mr Parnas said Mr Trump "lied". "He knew exactly who I was." he said.

Good stuff.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/parnas-ill-release-a-photo-each-time-trump-denies-knowing-me

Geez Donald. That's everything but bathrobes and morning coffee. Are you sure you don't know this guy?

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Double standards anyone? Not a whimper of protest or talk of impeachment during the Obuma era even though article no. 10 on this list was surely grounds for impeachment. Oh, that's right, Obuma was from the left of the political spectrum!

https://gellerreport.com/2020/01/th...4-but-no-one-called-for-his-impeachment.html/


The GAO Ruled Obama Broke The Law in 2014, But No One Called for His Impeachment

Irrelevant.

Geez Donald. That's everything but bathrobes and morning coffee. Are you sure you don't know this guy?

All things considered, and this being the age of photoshop, those pictures look too good to be true.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Double standards anyone? Not a whimper of protest or talk of impeachment during the Obuma era even though article no. 10 on this list was surely grounds for impeachment. Oh, that's right, Obuma was from the left of the political spectrum!

https://gellerreport.com/2020/01/th...4-but-no-one-called-for-his-impeachment.html/


The GAO Ruled Obama Broke The Law in 2014, But No One Called for His Impeachment

Irrelevant.

It isn't irrelevant, it is Moore-Coulter. Trump illegally impounded hundreds of millions of Congressionally appropriated funding to shakedown the Ukrainian leadership for personal benefits in the 2020 election. This is in addition to acts of Giuliani et al... in Ukraine, potentially even involving an idiot American soliciting the Ukrainian mob for some unspecified action against a US Diplomat! The Pentagon itself warned Trump's OMB about this very concern well before the GAO interceded!

In 2014, Obama traded for a US military deserter, a deal that benefited Obama absolutely nothing.

Geez Donald. That's everything but bathrobes and morning coffee. Are you sure you don't know this guy?

All things considered, and this being the age of photoshop, those pictures look too good to be true.

It's true... it's damn true... it is so damn true, the truth damning to Trump. Well, if the GOP had any integrity left.

 

[ZiprHead]

Double standards anyone? Not a whimper of protest or talk of impeachment during the Obuma era even though article no. 10 on this list was surely grounds for impeachment. Oh, that's right, Obuma was from the left of the political spectrum!

https://gellerreport.com/2020/01/th...4-but-no-one-called-for-his-impeachment.html/


The GAO Ruled Obama Broke The Law in 2014, But No One Called for His Impeachment

There's this thing called Google. You may have heard of it.

 Efforts to impeach Barack Obama

 

[Trausti]

Double standards anyone? Not a whimper of protest or talk of impeachment during the Obuma era even though article no. 10 on this list was surely grounds for impeachment. Oh, that's right, Obuma was from the left of the political spectrum!

https://gellerreport.com/2020/01/th...4-but-no-one-called-for-his-impeachment.html/


The GAO Ruled Obama Broke The Law in 2014, But No One Called for His Impeachment

There's this thing called Google. You may have heard of it.

 Efforts to impeach Barack Obama

And all those efforts were rightly rejected as it was understood, at least up to 2017, that impeachment was a serious process. Now, any perceived infraction will do.

 

[Trausti]

What's amusing about this impeachment drama is that we have, in living memory, a prior impeachment and acts and malfeasance by prior presidents which are comparable to Trump's peccadilloes. Yet, when the partisan shoe was on the other foot, things were viewed quite differently. The arguments that Nadler, Pelosi, and Schumer made against the Clinton impeachment are similar to those paraded by the Republicans. If you thought the Clinton impeachment was wrong (as I did) then its hypocritical to say that the Trump impeachment is right.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

What's amusing about this impeachment drama is that we have, in living memory, a prior impeachment and acts and malfeasance by prior presidents which are comparable to Trump's peccadilloes. Yet, when the partisan shoe was on the other foot, things were viewed quite differently. The arguments that Nadler, Pelosi, and Schumer made against the Clinton impeachment are similar to those paraded by the Republicans. If you thought the Clinton impeachment was wrong (as I did) then its hypocritical to say that the Trump impeachment is right.

Conservatives generally don't care how many laws other conservatives violate, but you better not be bad with your penis or your vagina. That's going too far. Liberals are pretty much the opposite.

 

[Trausti]

What's amusing about this impeachment drama is that we have, in living memory, a prior impeachment and acts and malfeasance by prior presidents which are comparable to Trump's peccadilloes. Yet, when the partisan shoe was on the other foot, things were viewed quite differently. The arguments that Nadler, Pelosi, and Schumer made against the Clinton impeachment are similar to those paraded by the Republicans. If you thought the Clinton impeachment was wrong (as I did) then its hypocritical to say that the Trump impeachment is right.

Conservatives generally don't care how many laws other conservatives violate, but you better not be bad with your penis or your vagina. That's going too far. Liberals are pretty much the opposite.

He was impeached for perjury, which is a federal crime.

 

[Patooka]

What's amusing about this impeachment drama is that we have, in living memory, a prior impeachment and acts and malfeasance by prior presidents which are comparable to Trump's peccadilloes. Yet, when the partisan shoe was on the other foot, things were viewed quite differently. The arguments that Nadler, Pelosi, and Schumer made against the Clinton impeachment are similar to those paraded by the Republicans. If you thought the Clinton impeachment was wrong (as I did) then its hypocritical to say that the Trump impeachment is right.

Conservatives generally don't care how many laws other conservatives violate, but you better not be bad with your penis or your vagina. That's going too far. Liberals are pretty much the opposite.

He was impeached for perjury, which is a federal crime.

Last time I checked, so is soliciting help from a foreign country to influence elections. But blowjobs are more serious amirite?

 

[Trausti]

He was impeached for perjury, which is a federal crime.

Last time I checked, so is soliciting help from a foreign country to influence elections. But blowjobs are more serious amirite?

The Trump articles of impeachment do not allege a crime, just a nebulous "abuse of power." That charge can be used against every president.

 

[ZiprHead]

Double standards anyone? Not a whimper of protest or talk of impeachment during the Obuma era even though article no. 10 on this list was surely grounds for impeachment. Oh, that's right, Obuma was from the left of the political spectrum!

https://gellerreport.com/2020/01/th...4-but-no-one-called-for-his-impeachment.html/


The GAO Ruled Obama Broke The Law in 2014, But No One Called for His Impeachment

There's this thing called Google. You may have heard of it.

 Efforts to impeach Barack Obama

And all those efforts were rightly rejected as it was understood, at least up to 2017, that impeachment was a serious process. Now, any perceived infraction will do.

Extortion and bribery aren't?

Good to know.

 

[Trausti]

And all those efforts were rightly rejected as it was understood, at least up to 2017, that impeachment was a serious process. Now, any perceived infraction will do.

Extortion and bribery aren't?

Good to know.

The articles of impeachment against Trump allege neither.

 

[ZiprHead]

He was impeached for perjury, which is a federal crime.

Last time I checked, so is soliciting help from a foreign country to influence elections. But blowjobs are more serious amirite?

The Trump articles of impeachment do not allege a crime, just a nebulous "abuse of power." That charge can be used against every president.

Again, Google is your friend. The criminal statutes are in the articles.

 

[ZiprHead]

And all those efforts were rightly rejected as it was understood, at least up to 2017, that impeachment was a serious process. Now, any perceived infraction will do.

Extortion and bribery aren't?

Good to know.

The articles of impeachment against Trump allege neither.

See above.

 

[Trausti]

The Trump articles of impeachment do not allege a crime, just a nebulous "abuse of power." That charge can be used against every president.

Again, Google is your friend. The criminal statutes are in the articles.

Dude, the articles of impeachment against Trump do not allege a crime just that he misused his office.


Read the articles of impeachment against President Trump

 

[Arctish]

The Trump articles of impeachment do not allege a crime, just a nebulous "abuse of power." That charge can be used against every president.

Again, Google is your friend. The criminal statutes are in the articles.

Dude, the articles of impeachment against Trump do not allege a crime just that he misused his office.


Read the articles of impeachment against President Trump

Read the Constitution.

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. "

The power to decide which offenses are sufficient cause for Impeachment is held by the Legislative Branch, specifically the House of Representatives. In my lifetime they have determined that lying under oath, covering up a crime, and misusing the powers of the Executive Office all meet that bar. No doubt there are more, so this isn't a comprehensive list by any stretch.

 

[Trausti]

Dude, the articles of impeachment against Trump do not allege a crime just that he misused his office.


Read the articles of impeachment against President Trump

Read the Constitution.

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. "

The power to decide which offenses are sufficient cause for Impeachment is held by the Legislative Branch, specifically the House of Representatives. In my lifetime they have determined that lying under oath, covering up a crime, and misusing the powers of the Executive Office all meet that bar. No doubt there are more, so this isn't a comprehensive list by any stretch.

If the votes are there, a president can be impeached for anything. It's silly to think there's a bar. Really, what's the remedy if the House impeaches a president for liking Nickleback? The president is still impeached. The Senate still decides what to do about it. But the articles against Trump do not allege a crime. Given that the Dems control the House, and many in the House simply hate Trump, if they wanted to add an article of impeachment alleging a crime they could have. They didn't. Why do you think that is?

 

[Arctish]

Dude, the articles of impeachment against Trump do not allege a crime just that he misused his office.


Read the articles of impeachment against President Trump

Read the Constitution.

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. "

The power to decide which offenses are sufficient cause for Impeachment is held by the Legislative Branch, specifically the House of Representatives. In my lifetime they have determined that lying under oath, covering up a crime, and misusing the powers of the Executive Office all meet that bar. No doubt there are more, so this isn't a comprehensive list by any stretch.

If the votes are there, a president can be impeached for anything. It's silly to think there's a bar. Really, what's the remedy if the House impeaches a president for liking Nickleback? The president is still impeached.

True.

The President would still be impeached. That's how the Constitution is written. The only way to change it is through Constitutional Amendment.

The Senate still decides what to do about it. But the articles against Trump do not allege a crime. Given that the Dems control the House, and many in the House simply hate Trump, if they wanted to add an article of impeachment alleging a crime they could have. They didn't. Why do you think that is?

I think it's because Trump ordered the people in his Administration to ignore Congressional subpoenas. And also because an article of impeachment alleging a crime isn't necessary; a President can be impeached for committing a misdemeanor..

It's up to the Legislative Branch to decide which misdemeanors are sufficiently grave to warrant impeachment. So far they haven't condemned liking Nickleback but they do take exception to a President trying to coerce a foreign government to interfere in US elections.

 

[zorq]

I agree that a "crime" isn't necessary for impeachment, but let's just remind the audience that this president HAS committed acts worthy of criminal indictment. AKA, Crimes.

Ted Lieu~"I believe a reasonable person looking at these facts could conclude that all three elements of the crime of obstruction of justice have been met, and I'd like to ask you the reason, again, you did not indict Donald Trump is because of the OLC (the DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel) opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?"

Robert Mueller~"That is correct."
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Ken Buck ~ "Could you charge a president with a crime after he left office?"

Mueller~"Yes."

Buck~"You believe that he committed — you could charge the President of the United States with obstruction of justice after he left office?"

Mueller~"Yes."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...ump-could-be-indicted-when-he-leaves-n1033901