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According to the report police pulled over a car. The officer recognized it as belonging to someone he had arrested before, and there was a warrant out for. Edgar Welch, the Pizzagate nut, supposedly pulled out a gun, and didn't follow orders to drop it, and was shot by the police.


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'Pizzagate' Gunman Killed By Police In North Carolina After Traffic Stop

Edgar Maddison Welch was a passenger in a vehicle stopped by officers in Kannapolis.
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A burden to society finally eliminated. Now I'm waiting for the right wingers who were foaming at the mouth about Neely to be upset by this.
 
The very first reaction in Neely's case was absolute condemnation of the "perp", it is not the very first reaction in this case. Why is that?
 
I had assumed Welch was suffering from mental illness. But if he was, wouldn't his guns have been taken? Now he follows the Las Vegas bomber who appeared to be suffering greatly, but was wanting to purge the nation of Democrats. It is getting harder to draw the line between mental illness and what apparently is considered the right-wing today.

Though, this guy might just been dumb and angry, and not suffering from mental illness.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
thebeave said:
Should this go in the Police Misconduct thread, or is this a "good kind" of police misconduct?
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Welch allegedly pointed a gun at an officer. Typically the misconduct thread involves unarmed people being killed.
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Bet you anything the right wingers will make a big deal about the word "allegedly" despite them never giving the same consideration to other cases involving unarmed black men. Oh yeah another thing I noticed is they'll do the same thing for rape cases and say it's just alleged. But not when it comes to certain police killings.
 
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Jimmy Higgins said:
thebeave said:
Should this go in the Police Misconduct thread, or is this a "good kind" of police misconduct?
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Welch allegedly pointed a gun at an officer. Typically the misconduct thread involves unarmed people being killed.
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Time will tell what the details are. For example, did the officer try to de-escalate the situation prior to shooting?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
I had assumed Welch was suffering from mental illness. But if he was, wouldn't his guns have been taken? Now he follows the Las Vegas bomber who appeared to be suffering greatly, but was wanting to purge the nation of Democrats. It is getting harder to draw the line between mental illness and what apparently is considered the right-wing today.

Though, this guy might just been dumb and angry, and not suffering from mental illness.
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"Dumb and angry" are symptoms of a great number of mental disorders. Dumb and angry also defines modern conservative politics, so there will be a lot of overlap.

Welch had already been convicted of a felony involving a firearm(shooting a pizza parlor closet), which would have made it illegal foe him to possess a gun. Gun control laws are not intended to control guns. There are various reasons for this, but that's another discussion.

According to the article, Welch pointed his gun at an officer and was told to drop it. He was shot after failing to do so. This is a courtesy not extended to a lot of people, who are shot for having a 2nd Amendment right to bear a firearm, but not actually exercising it.
 
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thebeave said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
thebeave said:
Should this go in the Police Misconduct thread, or is this a "good kind" of police misconduct?
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Welch allegedly pointed a gun at an officer. Typically the misconduct thread involves unarmed people being killed.
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Time will tell what the details are.
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It will, hence why I said "allegedly". It is possible they barked inaudible stuff at him, that he didn't have time to understand, and then they let 16 shots rain out. Or, they could have provided him clear instruction, he ignored it, and they fired in response.
thebeave said:
For example, did the officer try to de-escalate the situation prior to shooting?
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Man, you really seem to be mocking us here.
 
GenesisNemesis said:
Bet you anything the right wingers will make a big deal about the word "allegedly" despite them never giving the same consideration to other cases involving unarmed black men.
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It's the opposite. I do not see anybody protesting or "burning this bitch down" over this idiot, but that happens often even when armed black men get shot by police. For example Keith Lamont Scott, who was armed but whose shooting still triggered violent riots by #BLM.
Oh yeah another thing I noticed is they'll do the same thing for rape cases and say it's just alleged. But not when it comes to certain police killings.
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Rape cases usually have poor evidence and come down to "he said, she said". But that also depends. There wasn't much "allegedly" coming out of mouths of Nancy Disgrace, several Duke professors and their Ilk during the Duke Lacrosse False Rape Case. They were all so sure the players must have been guilty because they were white and male.
 
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GenesisNemesis said:
A burden to society finally eliminated. Now I'm waiting for the right wingers who were foaming at the mouth about Neely to be upset by this.
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Why? Is an overzealous DA charging the cop with manslaughter like Alvin Bragg did with Penny?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
I had assumed Welch was suffering from mental illness. But if he was, wouldn't his guns have been taken?
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Not necessarily. There was a case 15 years ago in Portlandia, where Keton Otis, a mentally ill man was pulled over and started shooting at police. Even though one cop was wounded before Otis was shot back by police, the usual suspects are still blaming the police.
 
Derec said:
GenesisNemesis said:
Bet you anything the right wingers will make a big deal about the word "allegedly" despite them never giving the same consideration to other cases involving unarmed black men.
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It's the opposite. I do not see anybody protesting or "burning this bitch down" over this idiot, but that happens often even when armed black men get shot by police. For example Keith Lamont Scott, who was armed but whose shooting still triggered violent riots by #BLM.
Oh yeah another thing I noticed is they'll do the same thing for rape cases and say it's just alleged. But not when it comes to certain police killings.
Click to expand...
Rape cases usually have poor evidence and come down to "he said, she said". But that also depends. There wasn't much "allegedly" coming out of mouths of Nancy Disgrace, several Duke professors and their Ilk during the Duke Lacrosse False Rape Case. They were all so sure the players must have been guilty because they were white and male.
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