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Police officers give kid a beatdown for having a fake ID

 
 
 
Trausti said:
He was resisting arrest, right? The video doesn't show the cops hitting him, only trying to restrain him to put on the cuffs. Meh.
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The video doesn't show what actually happened anyway.

Someone getting injured when they try to prevent being cuffed doesn't exactly surprise me.
 
*video doesn't show what happened*

*makes claim about what happened*
 
laughing dog said:
I have seen no claims that this person was resisting arrest. This article http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2015/03/university-student-honor-committee-member-martese-johnson-arrested which contains an eye witness statement makes no mention of anyone resisting arrest. I find it interesting that the usual suspects immediately assume this young black man must have done something that merited the beat down.
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The alternative is that some officers were a hankerin to beat up a black dude just for the hell of it, flushing their career down the drain?
 
Since when being a student at UV gives you immunity from the police?
Drunk 20-something and not resisting an arrest? Call me a skeptic on this one.
Video does not contain any beating and he does appear drunk and resisting arrest. Anyway, important question which was not answered is his age, is he over 21?

Oh, google says he is 20. Well......
 
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barbos said:
Oh, google says he is 20. Well......
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Those racist cops got lucky the black gentleman they targeted for harassment was underage. They probably snatched him from the street and forced him into the bar and planted the fake ID on him.
 
barbos said:
Since when being a student at UV gives you immunity from the police?
Drunk 20-something and not resisting an arrest? Call me a skeptic on this one.
Video does not contain any beating and he does appear drunk and resisting arrest. Anyway, important question which was not answered is his age, is he over 21?

Oh, google says he is 20. Well......
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Actually, this wouldn't be the first time that Virginia ABC (Alcoholic Beverage Control) Agents have overreacted. Indeed, just about a year ago a UVA student was involved in an ABC arrest that went wrong. She eventually won a quarter-million settlement.

http://www.nbc29.com/story/23909588/virginia-abc-agents-violated-policy-in-clash-with-uva-students
 
Axulus said:
laughing dog said:
I have seen no claims that this person was resisting arrest. This article http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2015/03/university-student-honor-committee-member-martese-johnson-arrested which contains an eye witness statement makes no mention of anyone resisting arrest. I find it interesting that the usual suspects immediately assume this young black man must have done something that merited the beat down.
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The alternative is that some officers were a hankerin to beat up a black dude just for the hell of it, flushing their career down the drain?
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First, why would you think that would necessarily flush their career down the drain? More importantly, an obvious alternative is that they over-reacted and then lost it.

These officers are supposed to be trained and experienced professionals. Some possibly inebriated kid yelling at them ought not to trigger a beat down. It really is that simple. Now, if the kid resisted arrest in a violent and dangerous fashion, then this beat down might be acceptable to ordinary human beings. Is there any evidence to suggest that this kid did so?
 
Axulus said:
laughing dog said:
I have seen no claims that this person was resisting arrest. This article http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2015/03/university-student-honor-committee-member-martese-johnson-arrested which contains an eye witness statement makes no mention of anyone resisting arrest. I find it interesting that the usual suspects immediately assume this young black man must have done something that merited the beat down.
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The alternative is that some officers were a hankerin to beat up a black dude just for the hell of it, flushing their career down the drain?
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I purposefully left out the victim's race.
 
fyi Johnson was charged with obstruction of justice without force and public intoxication. Those charges don't sound like he put up a fight.

https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-460

§ 18.2-460. Obstructing justice; penalty.

A. If any person without just cause knowingly obstructs a judge, magistrate, justice, juror, attorney for the Commonwealth, witness, any law-enforcement officer, or animal control officer employed pursuant to § 3.2-6555 in the performance of his duties as such or fails or refuses without just cause to cease such obstruction when requested to do so by such judge, magistrate, justice, juror, attorney for the Commonwealth, witness, law-enforcement officer, or animal control officer employed pursuant to § 3.2-6555, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

B. Except as provided in subsection C, any person who, by threats or force, knowingly attempts to intimidate or impede a judge, magistrate, justice, juror, attorney for the Commonwealth, witness, any law-enforcement officer, or an animal control officer employed pursuant to § 3.2-6555 lawfully engaged in his duties as such, or to obstruct or impede the administration of justice in any court, is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

C. If any person by threats of bodily harm or force knowingly attempts to intimidate or impede a judge, magistrate, justice, juror, attorney for the Commonwealth, witness, any law-enforcement officer, lawfully engaged in the discharge of his duty, or to obstruct or impede the administration of justice in any court relating to a violation of or conspiracy to violate § 18.2-248 or subdivision (a) (3), (b) or (c) of § 18.2-248.1, or § 18.2-46.2 or § 18.2-46.3, or relating to the violation of or conspiracy to violate any violent felony offense listed in subsection C of § 17.1-805, he shall be guilty of a Class 5 felony.

D. Any person who knowingly and willfully makes any materially false statement or representation to a law-enforcement officer or an animal control officer employed pursuant to § 3.2-6555 who is in the course of conducting an investigation of a crime by another is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

(Code 1950, § 18.1-310; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1976, c. 269; 1984, c. 571; 1989, c. 506; 1993, c. 747; 1996, c. 718; 1999, cc. 770, 800; 2002, cc. 527, 810, 818; 2003, cc. 111, 149; 2004, cc. 396, 435; 2007, cc. 220, 282; 2009, c. 242.)
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Anyone watch Scandal and can tell me what he is on about?
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laughing dog said:
I have seen no claims that this person was resisting arrest. This article http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2015/03/university-student-honor-committee-member-martese-johnson-arrested which contains an eye witness statement makes no mention of anyone resisting arrest. I find it interesting that the usual suspects immediately assume this young black man must have done something that merited the beat down.
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The guy went down and got hurt in the process. Where's the evidence of a beatdown?
 
Loren Pechtel said:
laughing dog said:
I have seen no claims that this person was resisting arrest. This article http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2015/03/university-student-honor-committee-member-martese-johnson-arrested which contains an eye witness statement makes no mention of anyone resisting arrest. I find it interesting that the usual suspects immediately assume this young black man must have done something that merited the beat down.
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The guy went down and got hurt in the process. Where's the evidence of a beatdown?
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where's the evidence he just went down and that's how he got hurt?
 
ksen said:
fyi Johnson was charged with obstruction of justice without force and public intoxication. Those charges don't sound like he put up a fight.
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I don't think he did. Rather, I think his actions were evasion.
 
ksen said:
where's the evidence he just went down and that's how he got hurt?
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The evidence is in the video. The cops are trying to handcuff him while he's struggling and they aren't beating him they are simply grappling to subdue. When placed under arrest you're not allowed to squirm and impede the handcuffing process. The four options I'm aware of to stop a suspect struggling are mace, baton strikes, tazer, and grappling submissions.

Of those four, baton strikes seem the worst because its not reasonable to expect a person to remain still while potential blows are raining down. Also striking someone doesn't calm the striker. So you can get a downward spiral of violence of a cop getting more and more enraged hitting a suspect for not complying meanwhile the suspect is getting more panicked and struggling more. Mace and taser can have the same effect of involuntarily causing a suspect to struggle. The grappling can lead to bleeding from cuts and abrasions on the concrete.

If you're going to resist a cop arresting you either do it 100% or not at all.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
laughing dog said:
I have seen no claims that this person was resisting arrest. This article http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2015/03/university-student-honor-committee-member-martese-johnson-arrested which contains an eye witness statement makes no mention of anyone resisting arrest. I find it interesting that the usual suspects immediately assume this young black man must have done something that merited the beat down.
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The guy went down and got hurt in the process. Where's the evidence of a beatdown?
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His injuries. Where's the evidence this guy went down and got hurt in the process.
 
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