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Police shooting in Atlanta aka "Sir, this is a Wendy's drive-through"
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ruby sparks
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Just very briefly, no, obviously I don't think that's fair, if it were the case.
But I'm not going off-topic to discuss it in detail.
Equally unfair, just to cite an obvious example, is saying that most or all so-called anti-African American racial inequality issues in the US are really just socioeconomic ones (for which race is merely a proxy), and that (clearly untenable) view has been offered on this forum repeatedly.
By which we can see that this sort of thing is not just a problem on one 'side'.
Which is really all I am saying here.
ruby sparks
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In fact, the two guys in that cartoon could be saying 'it's racism' and 'it's socioeconomics' (or 'it's culture') respectively.
When it's very likely to be all three, and possibly others, in many cases.
They obviously would not be looking at that shape in that case. They'd be standing beside each other, both jointly looking at something like, perhaps, the words 'racial inequalities', maybe.
When it's very likely to be all three, and possibly others, in many cases.
They obviously would not be looking at that shape in that case. They'd be standing beside each other, both jointly looking at something like, perhaps, the words 'racial inequalities', maybe.
ruby sparks
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Unlike with numerical digits, many real-life human interaction issues are not one thing or the other. I think that is meant to be the general point.
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I never said that I didn't believe it. I said that your link was very confusing. I also said that even if he did have a record, he didn't deserve to be shot. And, btw, I already say that interview earlier this morning on MSNBC.
I'm very happy that they are charing the police. I doubt the killer will be convicted of murder, but I expect he will be convicted of some of the other charges. But, it will up to a jury to decide the outcome. No need to argue about this any further. And, you know what else. I don't give a shit that some cops have called in sick today as a protest. We have far too many police in Georgia, imo. It's way past time to change the system.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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Has anyone watched this video yet?
Photos of 1 officer kicking Brooks after he had been shot. (illegal)
Photo of the other officer standing on his shoulders after he had been shot. The officer admitted it. (illegal)
Explanations of the charges, like failure to render aid...
Derec
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I bet the victims in this case disagree.
GBI ID’s carjacking suspects shot by Clayton County police
AJC said:
And social workers wokesters want to replace police with would be rather useless here too:
Clayton County deputies searching for suspects in shooting of female Uber driver
Fox5 said:
And I doubt these social workers would have arrested these two robbers either.
Duo arrested for allegedly zip tying employees during a cell phone store robbery
CBS46 said:
There are bad people out there.
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Yes there are. And some of them wear a police uniform and a badge.
And no one disagrees with that.
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Sure. And they will not be arrested by social workers either.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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I'm still waiting for one of the usual suspects to respond to the fact that the cops were kicking the guy after shooting him.
Derec
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Not a good thing to do, but understandable in the heat of the moment when the bad guy punches you and shoots a taser at your head.
Police officers are still people with emotions. They are not ED-209. Even Robocop had some residual emotions due to the human wetware.
Still does not mean he deserves the murder charge.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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Many illegal, immoral behaviors are understandable. That doesn't make them legal, moral, or defensible. So, just don't try to defend it. Just admit it's wrong and terrible.
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The moment had already passed. The rage continued and that goes to intent after the fact of pinning down an unarmed person unnecessarily and kicking them after shooting them in the back. That is terrible and disgusting and you should stop trying to defend it.
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It is interesting that you are calling a petty criminal like Rayshard "the bad guy" while calling two criminals who shot someone in the back and then kicked the shit out of him, nothing at all, leaving them to be "the good guys."
Obviously, the problem is your ideation--thinking in terms of black and white. In more ways than one.
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And besides that the officers were on night duty which probably meant they'd started their shift by loading up on twinkies, ding dongs and Death Wish coffee. There's no excuse for the perp not to have taken that into account when he tried to escape. He should have remained calm instead of letting his emotions and prejudices take over. There can be no excuse for such careless disregard for cops who are just humans and only want to return home to their families.
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Funny how the shooters can have a 'heat of the moment' reaction, but the drunk guy panicking is not allow a 'heat of the moment' reaction.
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This ^^^^
This is an important point that the police apologists will not respond to. Derec in particular loves to bring up the past misdeeds of black victims of police violence (or vigilante violence as in the Trayvon Martin case), but will not focus on the fact the police (or vigilante) committing the unjustified homicide is doing something far more heinous than anything the victim may have done. They are killing people.
The postmortem smearing of the victim's character serves several purposes:
1. It is an attempt to dehumanize the victim, and portray the killing as an act of putting down a rabid animal,
2. to portray the killing as an act that is beneficial to the public interest (in fact, one poster in this thread actually commented that Mr Brooks' family was better off with him dead),
3, and to draw our attention away from the fact that the killing was unjustified.
The apologists will tell you that the police are allowed to shoot a person in the back, stamp on his body and kick it because that's just a normal human reaction - nothing wrong with that at all. But that shoplifting or possession charge from 10 years ago? But that this black man may have been terrified of the police which led him to act the way he did? Inexcusable! The world is a better place without such scum.
The unstated assumption behind this strategy is that the lives of black people killed unjustly by police are not worth protecting, and not worth getting worked up over when such incidents do happen.
laughing dog
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Especially "funny" when the shooters are supposed to trained professionals.