Praise the Lord!

[excreationist]

I think that praising a deity for eternity would be hell for most people.

Just to respond again - maybe only people with a certain personality type will be saved.... those that feel comfort in having a personal relationship with the perfect creator of the universe....

 

[southernhybrid]

There was a Twilight Zone episode when I was a kid that relates to this. Two farmers went to heaven and then along came a bad ass biker. The farmers were boring as hell but they felt that they were enjoying heaven. It was the ideal afterlife for them. The biker was going nuts being around the two boring farmers who he had nothing in common with, so heaven was hell to him. "One man's heaven is another man's hell". I think that praising a deity for eternity would be hell for most people.

Hi would you be able to find out what that episode is called? I found "The Hunt" which is about an old man and his dog who don't want to go to a supposed Heaven because they wouldn't let his dog in, etc. It is related to the wide gate and the narrow gate. There is also "A Nice Place to Visit" about some kind of criminal who can have whatever he wants - except surprises - so he gets unbearably bored - then realises he's in hell....

When I have the time, I will see if it's in the DVD box of old Twilight Zone episodes that we have.

I'm not at all worried about hell, since I'm sure it doesn't exist. In fact, I'm sure there is no afterlife. It makes no sense to me. Our meat bodies die and deteriorate and we go back to being "star dust". Our minds are dependent on our physical brains and all the neurotransmitters that help us think etc. I don't believe in magic.

Dust to dust. Ashes to ashes. But, if it comforts you to believe that you will be singing god's praises for all of eternity, I understand that some people have that need.

 

[atrib]

The idea of doing anything for eternity sounds hellish. There is no possibility of escape. I don't think Christians have thought this through and understand what they they are wishing for.

 

[Keith&Co.]

The idea of doing anything for eternity sounds hellish. There is no possibility of escape. I don't think Christians have thought this through and understand what they they are wishing for.

Some have. Or tried to.
The celestial mind left over after losing the body (along with hormones, fear of death, hunger, all that) wil actually crave eternal adoration, i have been told. We will become beings that won't get bored by this.
Same people have assured me that there's no suffering in Hell. not because there's no one IN Hell, but because God will change them into a being that wants to be in Hell.

Of course, if He will do that to people, it'd make more sense for Him to change us at birth to WANT to keep His commandments, and all go to Heaven.

 

[Politesse]

Maybe it's not God who needs the praise...Maybe it's the priests, nuns, and some followers who need it more?...Also it raises their God's importance in their own view...The more people praising, the more "confirmation" it gives them...

I always found the implied monolatrous polytheism in that song to be... interesting.

 

[southernhybrid]

There was a Twilight Zone episode when I was a kid that relates to this. Two farmers went to heaven and then along came a bad ass biker. The farmers were boring as hell but they felt that they were enjoying heaven. It was the ideal afterlife for them. The biker was going nuts being around the two boring farmers who he had nothing in common with, so heaven was hell to him. "One man's heaven is another man's hell". I think that praising a deity for eternity would be hell for most people.

Hi would you be able to find out what that episode is called? I found "The Hunt" which is about an old man and his dog who don't want to go to a supposed Heaven because they wouldn't let his dog in, etc. It is related to the wide gate and the narrow gate. There is also "A Nice Place to Visit" about some kind of criminal who can have whatever he wants - except surprises - so he gets unbearably bored - then realises he's in hell....

I don't have the episode but I think it's probably, "A Nice Place to Visit". My husband and I looked it up just for you. We are going to try and find it to watch this afternoon. From what I remember, the guy is bored because his only company are the two famers. It might be on Amazon Prime. Not sure.

 

[blastula]

It's probably this one from Night Gallery.

Hell’s Bells

At the end of the ninth episode of the second season of Night Gallery was a fun little short called “Hell’s Bells.” It stars John Astin, the original Gomez Addams. And it is written and directed by Theodore J Flicker — best known as the co-creator of Barney Miller. He got his start co-writing The Troublemaker with Buck Henry. So it shouldn’t be surprising that this is one of Night Gallery’s funny stories.

Plot

Hell’s Bells starts with drugged-out hippy Randy Miller (Astin) driving down the road before crashing and dying. For a brief period we see his body flying past demonic faces shouting out what are apparently his sins, like idolatry. But then he falls into the waiting room of the afterlife. The room looks rather like the living room of a 1970’s suburban home. A woman pops in briefly to explain what’s going on and to admonish Randy for being a slob.

As he waits, Randy wonders just how bad hell can be. Then he has Gustave Doré’s images of Dante’s Inferno flash through his mind. After that, a sign begins flashing, alerting him, “NEXT.” A “FIRE DOOR” opens and so he walks into yet another room that looks like it is in a suburban house.

To his delight, he finds that it is filled with vinyl music records. But he can’t can’t separate any of them, so he plays the record that is on the turntable. It is a fiercely inoffensive Lawrence Welk like song (so inoffensive, it doesn’t even have any accordion). Suddenly, he finds that an old man (Hank Worden) is in the room with him. He looks like the father in American Gothic. The man doesn’t really converse so much as drone on.

By the time Randy figures out what’s going on with the old man, a couple of people dressed in matching Hawaii tourist clothes appear. They are all set up to show the “eight thousand five hundred slides” they took on their trip down to Tijuana, Mexico. Totally freaked out, Randy demands to see the Devil (played by director Flicker himself). The Devil explains that this is hell for Randy. He also notes the irony that the exact same room is in heaven too, because it is wonderful for some people.

And so the story ends with Randy curled up in a fetal position, pounding the floor.

 

[excreationist]

I don't have the episode but I think it's probably, "A Nice Place to Visit". My husband and I looked it up just for you. We are going to try and find it to watch this afternoon. From what I remember, the guy is bored because his only company are the two famers. It might be on Amazon Prime. Not sure.

Excerpts from "A Nice Place To Visit"

Actually there are no farmers in it and he's bored because he's unable to have surprises and always winning at the casino and with women is getting boring - then it looks like they locked his door.

 

[southernhybrid]

I don't have the episode but I think it's probably, "A Nice Place to Visit". My husband and I looked it up just for you. We are going to try and find it to watch this afternoon. From what I remember, the guy is bored because his only company are the two famers. It might be on Amazon Prime. Not sure.

Excerpts from "A Nice Place To Visit"

Actually there are no farmers in it and he's bored because he's unable to have surprises and always winning at the casino and with women is getting boring - then it looks like they locked his door.

Well, damn. That must not be the one. My husband and I both remember the episode vividly. We've considered that it might have been an Alfred Hitchcock, but we doubt it. Sorry I couldn't find it for you. It was always one of my favorites. If I do find it, I'll send you a message.

 

[excreationist]

Well, damn. That must not be the one. My husband and I both remember the episode vividly. We've considered that it might have been an Alfred Hitchcock, but we doubt it. Sorry I couldn't find it for you. It was always one of my favorites. If I do find it, I'll send you a message.

BTW in Google you could put in a list of words that would probably be in the episode description: (some of these might not be in the description)
e.g.
biker farmers heaven episode boring hell worship

And also the name of the show it could be in e.g. "twilight zone" (the quotes make sure that the words are in that exact order)

It could be one of these shows:

10 Shows To Watch If You Like The Twilight Zone

Rod Serling's The Twilight Zone is simply one of a kind, but there are other shows fans of it can binge for a similar vibe.

www.google.com

 

[Rhea]

And it makes immortality of anyone's self into a lie if they must be re-configured to become ok with all the vile praising.

I think a normal human mind can't be happy non-stop for long periods of time.... they would run out of dopamine or start acting reckless due to a manic episode, etc. And I don't think Christians would say that the praising is nonstop.

Right. So it’s a lie that “you” get an after life. “You” die. And a new being, that is not you, gets eternal life.

 

[excreationist]

I think a normal human mind can't be happy non-stop for long periods of time.... they would run out of dopamine or start acting reckless due to a manic episode, etc. And I don't think Christians would say that the praising is nonstop.

Right. So it’s a lie that “you” get an after life. “You” die. And a new being, that is not you, gets eternal life.

Christians talk about the old sinful self and the new self.... the old self involves original sin. I think a new modified self is required in order to be happy for an eternity...... (like I was talking about dopamine, etc) I think what matters is what your consciousness experiences (paradise) - not necessarily whether it is the regular "you" or not... like what if you were having an amazing enjoyable dream but couldn't remember your regular self's personality....

 

[abaddon]

I think a normal human mind can't be happy non-stop for long periods of time.... they would run out of dopamine or start acting reckless due to a manic episode, etc. And I don't think Christians would say that the praising is nonstop.

Right. So it’s a lie that “you” get an after life. “You” die. And a new being, that is not you, gets eternal life.

Christians talk about the old sinful self and the new self.... the old self involves original sin. I think a new modified self is required in order to be happy for an eternity...... (like I was talking about dopamine, etc) I think what matters is what your consciousness experiences (paradise) - not necessarily whether it is the regular "you" or not... like what if you were having an amazing enjoyable dream but couldn't remember your regular self's personality....

If you have be lobotomized so that you're like a dream character instead of your "regular self", that's awful.

 

[excreationist]

If you have be lobotomized so that you're like a dream character instead of your "regular self", that's awful.

If you think you know better than God and want to be your normal sinful self then I guess it's off to hell for you.... (if hell does exist I don't think many people would be going there)

 

[Keith&Co.]

Actually, just noticed something.
So, there's like 9 choirs of Angels.
Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones,
Dominions, Virtues, Powers,
Pricipalities, Archangels, and Angels.
Seraphim rank the highest. They literally attend God on his throne and sing His praises. "Holy, Holy, Holy is thge Lord of Hosts."

Angels are the lowestl rank. Furthest from God, they're the ones that talk to the lowly lowly humans.

Maybe we won't be singing God's praises in the afterlife. We're too junior for that honor. And, looks like it's a union job.

 

[excreationist]

Actually, just noticed something.
So, there's like 9 choirs of Angels.
Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones,
Dominions, Virtues, Powers,
Pricipalities, Archangels, and Angels.
Seraphim rank the highest. They literally attend God on his throne and sing His praises. "Holy, Holy, Holy is thge Lord of Hosts."

Angels are the lowestl rank. Furthest from God, they're the ones that talk to the lowly lowly humans.

Maybe we won't be singing God's praises in the afterlife. We're too junior for that honor. And, looks like it's a union job.

The Brick Testament

Revelation 4:5-6, 8
Day and night they never stop singing, 'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God the Almighty, who was, who is, and is to come.' In front of the throne was a sea of glass like crystal, and seven lamps were blazing in front of the throne.

They: the four living creatures....

 

[southernhybrid]

If you have be lobotomized so that you're like a dream character instead of your "regular self", that's awful.

If you think you know better than God and want to be your normal sinful self then I guess it's off to hell for you.... (if hell does exist I don't think many people would be going there)

We don't know better than God. We are sure that God, especially the Bible god simply doesn't exist, other than in the minds of believers. And, if there was a god, she certainly wouldn't be as mean, spiteful and egotistical as the Bible god. Doesn't it bother you to believe that your concept of god includes revenge for not being worshipped and adored. That sounds more like a Trump character than a god! I'm not judging you for your beliefs. I just don't understand how you can hold such beliefs without suffering from severe cognitive dissonance.

What is a "normal sinful self" btw. I know there are some nasty people in the world, but most people seem to be pretty decent to me. Why so much emphasis on the negative aspects of humans, when so many have lived good lives, helping others and doing their best not to do harm.

 

[steve_bank]

I have been watching reruns of Star Trek DS9.

The Vorta characters are genetically engineered to serve The Founders who they see as gods. When one of them is asked if he understands that their loyalty is part of their genetic makeup, he responds with 'What is the point of being a god if there is no on to worship ypu'.

The Vortas all spout an endless stream of praise for their 'gods' expanding away any potential faults. Founders seen as gods are perfet and by definition a god can never be wrong.

The people on the planet Bejor worship aliens living in a worm hole as gods knowing they area liens not gods.

 

[Rhea]

I think a normal human mind can't be happy non-stop for long periods of time.... they would run out of dopamine or start acting reckless due to a manic episode, etc. And I don't think Christians would say that the praising is nonstop.

Right. So it’s a lie that “you” get an after life. “You” die. And a new being, that is not you, gets eternal life.

Christians talk about the old sinful self and the new self.... the old self involves original sin. I think a new modified self is required in order to be happy for an eternity...... (like I was talking about dopamine, etc) I think what matters is what your consciousness experiences (paradise) - not necessarily whether it is the regular "you" or not... like what if you were having an amazing enjoyable dream but couldn't remember your regular self's personality....

Yes. As I said. *YOU* don't go to heaven. Drugged up you, lobotomized you, cloned you, that's what gets to heaven . Not you.

Take for example, my mother, who, being religious goes to heaven. And whose children, being irreligious, go to hell. And the "new" mother DOES NOT CARE that her children are burning in hell.

 

[excreationist]

Yes. As I said. *YOU* don't go to heaven. Drugged up you, lobotomized you, cloned you, that's what gets to heaven . Not you.

Take for example, my mother, who, being religious goes to heaven. And whose children, being irreligious, go to hell. And the "new" mother DOES NOT CARE that her children are burning in hell.

Yes it's like taking the blue pill and "ignorance is bliss".....