President Useful Idiot continues to be Russia's Useful Idiot - Open Skies

[Jimmy Higgins]

So anyway, there are treaties that Putin was to be out of. Recon treaties, arms treaties, etc... but it takes huge political capital to leave such treaties. For instance, if Russia left a treaty regarding arms limits, Russia would likely get sanctioned when it started making more weapons.

Putin to Trump is like Robert Kraft to Tom Brady. The benefits just keep pouring in and now, Trump wants to end the Open Skies treaty. Why? There is absolutely no reason to want to leave this treaty. The only benefactor of this is Russia, not the US. The US gains nothing by leaving this treaty.

“There’s a chance we may make a new agreement or do something to put that agreement back together,” he said outside the White House. “I think what’s going to happen is we’re going to pull out and they’re going to come back and want to make a deal.”

We can see why he needed to declare bankruptcy so often, his plans are so completely unthought out, they are quite similar to the underwear gnomes. And the text above, that is over the new START deal... not Open Skies.

Trump allegedly wants China to have to be part of the START deal. Again why? No, it isn't China, their stockpile is notably smaller than ours. It is to create a bullshit premise to justify the US leaving, which allows Russia to be out of it.

Yeah, this sounds crazy... sounds like a conspiracy theory. Well only kind of, because conspiracy theories are about crazy hidden agendas and whatnot which can otherwise be explained in a better way. In this case, the conspiracy theory would be Trump is knowingly benefiting the Russians. The other, quite likely more accurate interpretation is that Putin is playing Trump so easily against the Chinese.

Because there is otherwise no benefit to the US leaving START or Open Skies. It creates unneeded uncertainty. Granted, that is something that Trump loves... and of course, Putin is likely playing the idiot like a fiddle. Playing into his narcissistic stupidity.

Or Trump is doing this completely willingly, because he is so indebted to the wrong people.

Either option is likely the only possible two options.

 

[Elixir]

The other, quite likely more accurate interpretation is that Putin is playing Trump so easily against the Chinese.

It's not even that complicated. Trump has open lines whereby Putin can communicate with him directly, un-monitored and un-recorded.
Putin says "Do this or Oleg and his buddies foreclose on your Deutsch Bank loans", and voilá - it's a done deal.

 

[PyramidHead]

The Open Skies treaty is intended to allow countries to fly over each other freely so that they can verify that other nations are not mobilizing for war. Leaving this treaty is a sign that the US is gearing up for war. It has nothing to do with Russia and everything to do with Iran and China, who are both Russia's close allies and are now in the US crosshairs.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Open Skies treaty is intended to allow countries to fly over each other freely so that they can verify that other nations are not mobilizing for war. Leaving this treaty is a sign that the US is gearing up for war. It has nothing to do with Russia and everything to do with Iran and China, who are both Russia's close allies and are now in the US crosshairs.

So leaving a treaty that allows us to monitor Iran and China... helps us how to monitor Iran and China?

Putin wants out of these deals... and he's using Trump to get him to be the bad guy on it.

Also, Putin has no allies, just people with a temporary similar agenda.

 

[funinspace]

Yazbutt, neither China nor Iran are signatories to the Open Skies Treaty (ergo Iran jamming the US stealth drone and forcing it down in their territory):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Open_Skies

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The Open Skies treaty is intended to allow countries to fly over each other freely so that they can verify that other nations are not mobilizing for war. Leaving this treaty is a sign that the US is gearing up for war. It has nothing to do with Russia and everything to do with Iran and China, who are both Russia's close allies and are now in the US crosshairs.

What His Flatulence is saying is that Russia has been violating it (not allowing the flights) so we aren't going to keep allowing them. If he's right about what's happening he's probably right--but I wouldn't trust him to say whether it's day or night.

 

[barbos]

So anyway, there are treaties that Putin was to be out of. Recon treaties, arms treaties, etc... but it takes huge political capital to leave such treaties. For instance, if Russia left a treaty regarding arms limits, Russia would likely get sanctioned when it started making more weapons.

Where do you get this shit?
First of all, there are no arms limits treaties, Both US and Russia can make as much weapons as they like. Nuclear weapons, yes there are some treaties.
There are some treaties limiting amount of forces in Europe, but not on amount weapons produced.
Second of all, Russia needs Open Sky more than US, if US exits that would mean Russia would have no access to US, but US would still have access to Russia through Great Britain and other NATO countries who are still in the treaty. Third of all, it has nothing to do with Trumpo, it's State department's idea.

 

[barbos]

The Open Skies treaty is intended to allow countries to fly over each other freely so that they can verify that other nations are not mobilizing for war. Leaving this treaty is a sign that the US is gearing up for war. It has nothing to do with Russia and everything to do with Iran and China, who are both Russia's close allies and are now in the US crosshairs.

What His Flatulence is saying is that Russia has been violating it (not allowing the flights) so we aren't going to keep allowing them. If he's right about what's happening he's probably right--but I wouldn't trust him to say whether it's day or night.

That's not what they (state department) are saying. They are saying Russia "violates" the treaty by using it to spy on Trumpo. Clearly they are making shit up to get Trumpo on board.

 

[fromderinside]

Trumps' puppet masters are handling Trump. That would be the Deep State Hating Inventing media. That would be those who believe if one one works for the government one is a tool of the government minded idiots who skipped history and proclaimed inside knowing by the ones talking to them inside their heads. I list at them as ones with severe congestive mind failure and flabby brain.

If you found one of them in a mental institution they would be the one masterbating behind the windowed door of their cubicle.

 

[Elixir]

So anyway, there are treaties that Putin was to be out of. Recon treaties, arms treaties, etc... but it takes huge political capital to leave such treaties. For instance, if Russia left a treaty regarding arms limits, Russia would likely get sanctioned when it started making more weapons.

Where do you get this shit?
First of all, there are no arms limits treaties, Both US and Russia can make as much weapons as they like. Nuclear weapons, yes there are some treaties.
There are some treaties limiting amount of forces in Europe, but not on amount weapons produced.
Second of all, Russia needs Open Sky more than US, if US exits that would mean Russia would have no access to US, but US would still have access to Russia through Great Britain and other NATO countries who are still in the treaty. Third of all, it has nothing to do with Trumpo, it's State department's idea.

So you're saying Trump is going to attack Russia if his polling doesn't improve?
I'd be VERY surprised. Vlad might invite him to come bomb the top off some mountain in Siberia and claim he did it to Keep America Great, but there is zero chance that Trump would risk his Deutsch Bank credit by actually attacking anyone without Vlad's blessing.