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Propaganda works – 58 percent of Republicans believe education is bad

We had Nazi Germany's antipathy against modern physics, "Jewish science" and the Nazi purge of Jews from position in the German Universities. In Soviet Russia we had the rise of Lysinkoism favored by Stalin. When foolish government meddle with science it is ususally a disaster.

Here in America, we have the rise of climate denialism in the GOP and from Trump. We see US environmental scientists working for the US government being harassed, silenced, in a manner all to reminiscent of Germany and Russia. And not just the Trump - GOP lead federal government but also on the state level.

This is dangerous anti-intellectualism, and some day, this will all be placed along side German Nazi anti-Jewish science and Soviet Russian Lysinkoism as pointing to the dangers of far right reactionary politicians like Trump by future historians.
 
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The thing about people with a high level of education is that they should knowv more than someone without it. The person without it should not feel ashamed at not having knowledge of a subject they have not studied in detail. Something would be wrong if you went to medical school for four years, or law school, or a phd in whatever subject and you did not know more tgan someone who read five or ten books on what you got said degree in. I would in fact be pissed if I knew more than someone with those degrees not having gone to those schoolsvbecause it would mean some bureaus is going on.
 
The thing about people with a high level of education is that they should knowv more than someone without it. The person without it should not feel ashamed at not having knowledge of a subject they have not studied in detail. Something would be wrong if you went to medical school for four years, or law school, or a phd in whatever subject and you did not know more tgan someone who read five or ten books on what you got said degree in. I would in fact be pissed if I knew more than someone with those degrees not having gone to those schoolsvbecause it would mean some bureaus is going on.

Well, that's the whole purpose, of course; to make ignorant people believe that they are special and don't need to be intelligent or educated in order to do as they are told by the GOP/Church/Authority, etc.

It's Christianity. Blessed are the meek. Stay ignorant. Don't change your station in life. Obey authority. Bend over and let them fuck you when they want to fuck you.

Etc.

And this is just part of it, but the insidious nature of brainwashing the people you're fucking over into fucking over their own on your behalf is just repulsive to watch.
 
The thing about people with a high level of education is that they should knowv more than someone without it. The person without it should not feel ashamed at not having knowledge of a subject they have not studied in detail. Something would be wrong if you went to medical school for four years, or law school, or a phd in whatever subject and you did not know more tgan someone who read five or ten books on what you got said degree in. I would in fact be pissed if I knew more than someone with those degrees not having gone to those schoolsvbecause it would mean some bureaus is going on.

Some things in schooling can be very misleading. For example, the schools would never mention that the Democrats started slavery and the KKK and fought to preserve slavery in the Civil War. Republicans freed the slaves and sacrificed countless lives to do so. But, they don't tell you this in school because schools are leftists. Then the kids grow up, find out the truth and realize they've been lied to.
 
The thing about people with a high level of education is that they should knowv more than someone without it. The person without it should not feel ashamed at not having knowledge of a subject they have not studied in detail. Something would be wrong if you went to medical school for four years, or law school, or a phd in whatever subject and you did not know more tgan someone who read five or ten books on what you got said degree in. I would in fact be pissed if I knew more than someone with those degrees not having gone to those schoolsvbecause it would mean some bureaus is going on.

Some things in schooling can be very misleading. For example, the schools would never mention that the Democrats started slavery and the KKK and fought to preserve slavery in the Civil War. Republicans freed the slaves and sacrificed countless lives to do so. But, they don't tell you this in school because schools are leftists. Then the kids grow up, find out the truth and realize they've been lied to.
I would think no reputable school allow the blatant falsehood that Democrats started slavery. I know for a fact that the KKK had lots of Republican members.
 
The thing about people with a high level of education is that they should knowv more than someone without it. The person without it should not feel ashamed at not having knowledge of a subject they have not studied in detail. Something would be wrong if you went to medical school for four years, or law school, or a phd in whatever subject and you did not know more tgan someone who read five or ten books on what you got said degree in. I would in fact be pissed if I knew more than someone with those degrees not having gone to those schoolsvbecause it would mean some bureaus is going on.

Some things in schooling can be very misleading. For example, the schools would never mention that the Democrats started slavery and the KKK and fought to preserve slavery in the Civil War. Republicans freed the slaves and sacrificed countless lives to do so. But, they don't tell you this in school because schools are leftists. Then the kids grow up, find out the truth and realize they've been lied to.

Slavery started before there were political parties, Democrats, Whigs or Republicans. You are so ignorant it hurts.

Starting with Truman, the Democrats started drifting away from segregation and racism and Jim Crow. The GOP strongly opposed this starting especially with the rise of Goldwater in the GOP. Today racism is part and parcel, not of the Democrats but of the GOP. Black Americans notice this, which is why black Americans shun the GOP at the voting booth.
 
I must admit, I was a bit skeptical about the blanket assumption that Republicans are anti education. Then half-life clarified it to me, though I suspect not in the manner he intended.
 
Half-life must have missed the entire news cycle back in 2016, when Rand Paul tried desperately to convince students at Howard that the Republican party was on their side.
Black Republicans started the NAACP, after all, he tried to educate them.
Unfortunately, the students there know their history. Including the details Half says schools won't teach, and the details of the Southern Strategy that he tries to pretend away.
As the students told Paul, that was then, this is now.
 
Half-life must have missed the entire news cycle back in 2016, when Rand Paul tried desperately to convince students at Howard that the Republican party was on their side.
Black Republicans started the NAACP, after all, he tried to educate them.
Unfortunately, the students there know their history. Including the details Half says schools won't teach, and the details of the Southern Strategy that he tries to pretend away.
As the students told Paul, that was then, this is now.

The concept of "then" and "now" has been explained to him, however it was explained in English so I'm not sure if half-life understood what was being said.
 
I must admit, I was a bit skeptical about the blanket assumption that Republicans are anti education. Then half-life clarified it to me, though I suspect not in the manner he intended.


In Republican lead Alaska, higher education's budget was just slashed 40%.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-alaska-university-financial-brink-20190706-story.html

Alaska Gov. Michael Dunleavy, a Republican, is pushing his alma mater to the financial brink so the state can avoid raising taxes or dipping into the oil industry money it doles out to residents.


Dunleavy, a former teacher and school board member, last week vetoed $130 million allotted for the University of Alaska system, a nearly 41% decline in state funding. The unprecedented cut has left university leadership, faculty and students scrambling to persuade the Republican-led legislature to override the veto.

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This Republican antipathy towards education is not just talk, it has consequences.
 
The problem with universities is not intelligent people. Science or engineering departments where you actually need some smarts are not the problem.
In the 60s there were a lot of protests by radical, extremist students and university administrators caved in and gave them what they wanted - more politicized universities.
The problem are all the phony, politicized fields of "study" that give us things like the "Critical race theory", "Newton's Principia as a rape manual" and similar nonsense. It does not take intelligence to come up with that crap.


Godwin. You lose.

Demonized intellectuals, because they, of course, could see right through them and what they were attempting.

Actually Nazi attempts to politicize/ideologize science (i.e. demonize relativity as "Jewish Physics") have a lot in common with left-wing PoMo's attempt to politicize science by declaring natural science as white and male and thus inferior to "other ways of knowing". However, I would not go so far to say that what PoMos are doing is "exactly what Nazis did".

According to Google, pomo is referring to either an Indian tribe in California or a proponent of pomology, the study of growing fruit. I am guessing that you meant the second definition since you are talking about courses of study in universities. But it doesn't make any sense. Why do you think that fruit farmers would be left-wing?

The largest denial of reality routinely taught in universities isn't natural science being taught as white males and inferior to other ways of knowing by fruit farmers, I seriously doubt that you can provide evidence that this is widespread in academia, but the teaching of economics.

Mainstream macroeconomics, the economics that explains how the economy as a whole behaves, as taught in undergraduate courses in the US has little to nothing to do with the economy that we have. They teach a fantasy that they wish that we would have. But they conflate the elements of the fantasy with the reality of the real economy to the point that their students can't separate the two. Most end up with the mistaken idea that the fantasy is the reality and that prices are set by supply and demand, that the market could actually self-regulate, that the markets operate rationally, that banks and the financial markets have no influence on the economy, that the markets display general equilibrium (they tend over time to move toward full employment), etc. absolutely none of which is remotely true.

It is neoliberalism or alternately,  neofeudalism, and it is not so much a plot by the right as it is the reason that the right is what it is today, why they believe what they do. And all of it was shaped by the propaganda and lies that we see repeated on this discussion board daily.
 
Ben Shapiro went to Harvard and Michael Knowles went to Yale and they are 2 of the smartest conservatives around today. Not everyone falls for the indoctrination. They are still conservatives even after going to leftist schools.

Harvard and Yale are bastions of the establishment and of the prevailing social order, the core values of conservatism

Saying that they are leftist universities is so 1960's. The anti-war movement was not so much a left-wing movement as it was college students scared that they would be drafted when they graduated. You must be too young to remember the 1960's.
 
The thing about people with a high level of education is that they should knowv more than someone without it. The person without it should not feel ashamed at not having knowledge of a subject they have not studied in detail. Something would be wrong if you went to medical school for four years, or law school, or a phd in whatever subject and you did not know more tgan someone who read five or ten books on what you got said degree in. I would in fact be pissed if I knew more than someone with those degrees not having gone to those schoolsvbecause it would mean some bureaus is going on.

Some things in schooling can be very misleading. For example, the schools would never mention that the Democrats started slavery and the KKK and fought to preserve slavery in the Civil War. Republicans freed the slaves and sacrificed countless lives to do so. But, they don't tell you this in school because schools are leftists. Then the kids grow up, find out the truth and realize they've been lied to.
This ultra-right-wing schtick is getting so old. 'Don't you know the Democrats started slavery' was about as good a troll the first hundred times as it has been the last hundred or so times.

The GOP has long lost its identity of being the party of Lincoln (tried to save the nation from being split apart) or Roosevelt (who closed off Federal lands for the sake of the people). These days, the GOP are aiming at splitting America apart and drilling in federal parks.
 
You must be too young to remember the 1960's.

Well, he (it?) seems to be programmed to think that San Francisco was run by conservatives in the 60s.
Half-Wit is obviously from the Revolutionary War Airports school of revisionism.
 
The GOP landscape is pure Orwell. Don't listen to journalists!! They are the enemy of the people. (Don't google 'enemy of the people', either -- never mind where we got that.) Listen to Dear Leader -- the climate may just turn around and get colder, many people are saying this!!
At DJT's big Florida Lunatic Convention a few weeks back, they interviewed some Trumpies outside the stadium and one woman said, "He doesn't lie, like you people say he does. He doesn't!!" God knows what they think when he talks about the Continental Army grabbing the airports (and going on to fight at Fort "McHendry.") I'll be slightly kind and assume they never hear expositions on Trump's dumbbell misstatements. I don't see any good solution to this mess. Turns out a nominally free and open society is vulnerable to all manner of old-time demagoguery and the complete derangement of its values.
 
Enough of the changing member names to insults. It is a violation of the rules. Stop it now.

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These are the same arguments that were advanced against tax-supported education down through history, "not everyone needs this much education", "it is too expensive to provide this education to everyone, we can't afford it", and "education is a personal good, not a social good, the individual should pay for it, not the society." (The last is my personal favorite.)

But like the people who argued against tax-supported education, they are wrong. The US gained a lot by educating everyone.

I would be willing to bet that at some point these people would have advanced the equally specious argument from the right that our current income inequality is due to the level of education required to be considered in the middle class in today's economy. If you don't think that these arguments contradict one another I would appreciate an explanation of your thinking.

Conservatives are right that a university education is elitist. It always has been. The universities cull through their students to try to find the very few who can advance the body of knowledge that we all depend on for real progress. They are trying to find the few each year who can do research, most of which won't produce anything meaningful, to enable that one eureka moment of the real advancement of the body of knowledge. The more people who are exposed to university education the better chance we have of progressing.

Conservatives are right that a university education is a liberal experience. But not in a political sense, in the way that foreign travel for most people makes them more tolerant of different people and cultures, exposure to different ideas and different ways of thinking makes most people tolerant of these things and less dependent on the ideas of the past and traditions that are the hallmarks of a modern movement conservative.

The costs of a university education haven't gone up because the administrative overhead of the universities, it has gone up mainly because of the lower support from the government for higher education, primarily to lower the tax burden on the wealthy, a goal of conservatives.

In my view, conservatives are letting their preferences for lower taxes on the already rich and directing all of the gains from growth in the economy to the already rich stand in the way of the progress that produces the growth. This will kill progress. It isn't the already rich who produce the growth, it is the people who work for them.

Forty years of feeding the rich have already reduced one component of growth in the economy to zero, productivity gains. The primary driver of productivity growth isn't automation, it is the education of the workers. It is starting to kill the other component of growth, innovation, as profits become too easy to make. Corporations no longer have to compete with innovation, they now increase profits by finding new sources of cheap labor, by paying their workers less.

Burdening students with the crushing student debt hurts our economy too. At a time when the college graduates should be buying a car, buying a house, having children they are doing none of these things because of their student debt. The reason that the so-called Reagan economic miracle happened wasn't the lower tax rates but because the baby boomers entered the workplace and started to earn money and to spend it, on cars, houses, started families, (and the growth in defense spending by deficit spending, i.e. increasing the national debt, Keynesian fiscal stimulus.)
 
I hereby strongly urge conservatives to drop out of school / college to preserve their ideological purity.

I suspect that they do, and subsequently get their "education" from youtube clips.
And, surprise, surprise, Faux Noise.

I would rather them stay IN school and have a chance of learning to spot bullshit just a little better.
 
You must be too young to remember the 1960's.

Well, he (it?) seems to be programmed to think that San Francisco was run by conservatives in the 60s.
Half-Wit is obviously from the Revolutionary War Airports school of revisionism.

and when Obama said, "I visited all 48 states" you probably called him the biggest moron in the world.

No wait...you probably said it was just a "mental slip up." Funny how that works, right?
 
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