"Protester" Misconduct Catch All Thread

[ZiprHead]

No, facial recognition didn’t confirm antifa infiltrated Trump supporters at the Capitol

Antifa? Pfft. They weren’t that ugly.

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Yeah, and these guys are real lookers.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Alex, I'll take Guys Who Married Their Sisters for 800.

 

[TomC]

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Yeah, and these guys are real lookers.

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Perhaps you don't have my appreciation for horny daddys in fetish gear.

Probably not.

Probably, neither does he.

But still....
Tom

 

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[Loren Pechtel]

To be fair, it's probably less the skin colour and more the political leanings of the "protesters" that softened the police. A mob of white communist or Islamist sympathisers would arguably have gotten themselves gunned down too, it's only when the protesters have fascist leanings that their friends in the police pose for selfies.

Yup, as usual, race is simply a proxy for the real issues.

Yes, it is. The question is why 56 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, we can't shake off the affliction of racism. It still consumes all of us, on the right and the left. It is frustrating.

There are those whose power comes from promoting the idea of rampant racism.

There are a lot of people who find racism a convenient excuse and avoid addressing the real, much harder issues.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Yes, it is. The question is why 56 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, we can't shake off the affliction of racism. It still consumes all of us, on the right and the left. It is frustrating.

There are those whose power comes from promoting the idea of rampant racism.

There are a lot of people who find racism a convenient excuse and avoid addressing the real, much harder issues.

Also, race is an easy proxy for lots of other things to continue the economic divides in this power. This requires a couple of things that you don't like to admit (which is ironic, considering your post here, but you know, par for the course).
First, it requires racism to be real and fairly widespread. This is clear to anyone with eyes to see.

Second, it requires plenty of demagogues to use race or racial dogwhistles to constantly blame others for problems that those in power are usually responsible for causing.

Simple, widespread, and trivially true.

 

[Jarhyn]

Yes, it is. The question is why 56 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, we can't shake off the affliction of racism. It still consumes all of us, on the right and the left. It is frustrating.

There are those whose power comes from promoting the idea of rampant racism.

There are a lot of people who find racism a convenient excuse and avoid addressing the real, much harder issues.

Also, race is an easy proxy for lots of other things to continue the economic divides in this power. This requires a couple of things that you don't like to admit (which is ironic, considering your post here, but you know, par for the course).
First, it requires racism to be real and fairly widespread. This is clear to anyone with eyes to see.

Second, it requires plenty of demagogues to use race or racial dogwhistles to constantly blame others for problems that those in power are usually responsible for causing.

Simple, widespread, and trivially true.

What I find disappointing is that LP apparently doesn't see that whenever we discuss how to end racism, we always frontload on education, opportunity, ending racially biased laws, and mitigating racially biased tendencies amid addressing the economic disparities that spawn proxy racism in the first place.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yes, it is. The question is why 56 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, we can't shake off the affliction of racism. It still consumes all of us, on the right and the left. It is frustrating.

There are those whose power comes from promoting the idea of rampant racism.

There are a lot of people who find racism a convenient excuse and avoid addressing the real, much harder issues.

Also, race is an easy proxy for lots of other things to continue the economic divides in this power. This requires a couple of things that you don't like to admit (which is ironic, considering your post here, but you know, par for the course).
First, it requires racism to be real and fairly widespread. This is clear to anyone with eyes to see.

Second, it requires plenty of demagogues to use race or racial dogwhistles to constantly blame others for problems that those in power are usually responsible for causing.

Simple, widespread, and trivially true.

Huh? You seem to agree that race is an easy proxy, but then insist that it's real and not a proxy. The thing is when enough scrutiny is applied it's generally shown to be just a proxy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Also, race is an easy proxy for lots of other things to continue the economic divides in this power. This requires a couple of things that you don't like to admit (which is ironic, considering your post here, but you know, par for the course).
First, it requires racism to be real and fairly widespread. This is clear to anyone with eyes to see.

Second, it requires plenty of demagogues to use race or racial dogwhistles to constantly blame others for problems that those in power are usually responsible for causing.

Simple, widespread, and trivially true.

What I find disappointing is that LP apparently doesn't see that whenever we discuss how to end racism, we always frontload on education, opportunity, ending racially biased laws, and mitigating racially biased tendencies amid addressing the economic disparities that spawn proxy racism in the first place.

Except that's not what most of you actually favor.

Education? You assume racism is the problem and the cure is to discriminate against non-blacks. Easy answer but clearly wrong--it has been repeatedly shown that there's pretty much zero benefit from putting students in "better" schools. Schools reflect

Opportunity? Once again, you assume the answer is to discriminate against non-blacks. Note that I favor truly race-blind approaches, not tit-for-tat discrimination that just creates more victims.

Racially biased laws? Nothing racial here, it's a proxy for socioeconomic status.

Mitigating racially biased tendencies? Another dogwhistle for discriminating against non-blacks.

The only thing on your list that remotely makes sense is economic disparities--but there aren't easy answers here other than throwing more discrimination on the fire.

 

[laughing dog]

Yes, it is. The question is why 56 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, we can't shake off the affliction of racism. It still consumes all of us, on the right and the left. It is frustrating.

There are those whose power comes from promoting the idea of rampant racism.

And there are those whose power comes from dismissing the effects of racism.

There are a lot of people who find racism a convenient excuse and avoid addressing the real, much harder issues.

I suspect there are just as many, if not more, people who find any excuse to dismiss the real and harder issue of racism.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Also, race is an easy proxy for lots of other things to continue the economic divides in this power. This requires a couple of things that you don't like to admit (which is ironic, considering your post here, but you know, par for the course).
First, it requires racism to be real and fairly widespread. This is clear to anyone with eyes to see.

Second, it requires plenty of demagogues to use race or racial dogwhistles to constantly blame others for problems that those in power are usually responsible for causing.

Simple, widespread, and trivially true.

Huh? You seem to agree that race is an easy proxy, but then insist that it's real and not a proxy. The thing is when enough scrutiny is applied it's generally shown to be just a proxy.

I'll give you this: you're really good at (intentionally) missing the point.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Also, race is an easy proxy for lots of other things to continue the economic divides in this power. This requires a couple of things that you don't like to admit (which is ironic, considering your post here, but you know, par for the course).
First, it requires racism to be real and fairly widespread. This is clear to anyone with eyes to see.

Second, it requires plenty of demagogues to use race or racial dogwhistles to constantly blame others for problems that those in power are usually responsible for causing.

Simple, widespread, and trivially true.

Huh? You seem to agree that race is an easy proxy, but then insist that it's real and not a proxy. The thing is when enough scrutiny is applied it's generally shown to be just a proxy.

"generally." So, you admit that it's not ALWAYS a proxy, but you're confused that WT treats it as both a fact and a proxy?

If it was not real, it would not make a good proxy, would it?

The story of the boy who cried 'wolf' would be drastically different if he had cried, "Kraken!"

 

[Derec]

"Protesters" vandalizing Portland commissioner's house because he didn't want to vote to defund police.

Portland Commissioner Dan Ryan’s home vandalized 7 times since he voted not to cut police budget, he says

But I am sure some of y'all will find some excuse for that behavior, as usual.

 

[Jarhyn]

"Protesters" vandalizing Portland commissioner's house because he didn't want to vote to defund police.

Portland Commissioner Dan Ryan’s home vandalized 7 times since he voted not to cut police budget, he says

But I am sure some of y'all will find some excuse for that behavior, as usual.

Vandalizing a house, many houses, any houses is not ok by any stretch.

The fact that someone who believes in a cause may be unable to meaningfully contribute to the positive advance of that cause is separate from whether the cause is right.

You can whinge all you want about these people. You can have them, though you have heard me enough times by now about how I believe the behavior ought be addressed, and it doesn't involve throwing them over to a Nazi prison gang.

 

[Angry Floof]

"Protesters" vandalizing Portland commissioner's house because he didn't want to vote to defund police.

Portland Commissioner Dan Ryan’s home vandalized 7 times since he voted not to cut police budget, he says

But I am sure some of y'all will find some excuse for that behavior, as usual.

The behavior isn't excusable, it's understandable. That doesn't mean they should be let off the hook, and goodness knows black people are NOT given lenience whatsoever. It means they are fed up with what authority does to them. They have no authority to back them up in commiting violence or getting away with it. But they do have first hand, personal and direct experiences with corrupt powers abusing them.

I'm still wondering how you could be a grown up adult and a member of this community and still not understand what state means. Those vandals were not operating under the power of the state. They did NOT have cops supporting them and letting them get by with anything. They did NOT have the fucking president of the United States dismissing them or calling them fine people.

Have you ever wondered how people who don't have the power of the state behind them fight so hard for justice? As opposed to people who trash the Capitol and threaten top officials because the topmost official of the state, at best, refused to acknowledge their bad behavior, and at worst, purposely led them to do exactly what they did? How is it possible that you don't know the difference?

Are you even curious anymore, Derec? Fighting so hard to justify and defend outright lies to support authority figures against people with no authority at all must be exhausting. Ain't ya tired, Derec?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

"Protesters" vandalizing Portland commissioner's house because he didn't want to vote to defund police.

Portland Commissioner Dan Ryan’s home vandalized 7 times since he voted not to cut police budget, he says

But I am sure some of y'all will find some excuse for that behavior, as usual.

Figuring out why this behavior is occurring ≠ excusing behavior. But reactionaries such as yourself are not interested in facts.

 

[blastula]

"Protesters" vandalizing Portland commissioner's house because he didn't want to vote to defund police.

Portland Commissioner Dan Ryan’s home vandalized 7 times since he voted not to cut police budget, he says

But I am sure some of y'all will find some excuse for that behavior, as usual.

The behavior isn't excusable, it's understandable. That doesn't mean they should be let off the hook, and goodness knows black people are NOT given lenience whatsoever. It means they are fed up with what authority does to them. They have no authority to back them up in commiting violence or getting away with it. But they do have first hand, personal and direct experiences with corrupt powers abusing them.

Portland protestors are mostly white. And it is hard to understand why they're doing this because it accomplishes nothing for their alleged cause.

 

[Angry Floof]

"Protesters" vandalizing Portland commissioner's house because he didn't want to vote to defund police.

Portland Commissioner Dan Ryan’s home vandalized 7 times since he voted not to cut police budget, he says

But I am sure some of y'all will find some excuse for that behavior, as usual.

The behavior isn't excusable, it's understandable. That doesn't mean they should be let off the hook, and goodness knows black people are NOT given lenience whatsoever. It means they are fed up with what authority does to them. They have no authority to back them up in commiting violence or getting away with it. But they do have first hand, personal and direct experiences with corrupt powers abusing them.

Portland protestors are mostly white. And it is hard to understand why they're doing this because it accomplishes nothing for their alleged cause.

You can criticize them all day long and it won't change the fact that the fat, stupid, white 911 at the Capitol is state sanctioned in terms of both corrupt, white supremacist-infested law enforcement (a state power) and the blessing of the fucking highest office in the country (the state), who, by the way, has used his powerful position to stoke and dog whistle racist violence for his entire four years in office.

BLM and their allies are not state sanctioned or state supported by any means. If you, like Derec, don't know the difference between corrupt state powers and minority groups protesting and acting out in rightful anger, or the difference between bullies and the targets they abuse, then, at best, you have nothing useful to add to the discussion, and at worst, you're just another voice supporting corrupt powers and wanton abuse and dehumanization of minorities.

It is stupid and inhumane and not in the least bit "unifying" to let bullies off the hook while claiming their targets finally fighting back is "just as bad."

And by "you," I mean the hypothetical, not necessarily you personally.

 

[blastula]

It doesn't have to be state sanction to be objectionable. Why even bring that into it?

 

[Angry Floof]

It doesn't have to be state sanction to be objectionable. Why even bring that into it?

Is this really a serious question? Why would you not hold power accountable? Yes, state powers abusing citizens is way fucking more objectionable than minorities protesting being abused. WTF?

I've said this many times, but every time it just floors me that there are people who actually cannot tell the difference between a bully abusing a kid all year and the kid finally fighting back. Literally cannot see a difference. Astounding.