"Protester" Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Derec]

So LoAmmo created a new thread for Duante. He didn't name it "Dying for air freshners[sic]", but you can't have everything.

I will write all further responses there and the rest of you should follow suit.

 

[Patooka]

So LoAmmo created a new thread for Duante. He didn't name it "Dying for air freshners[sic]", but you can't have everything.

I will write all further responses there and the rest of you should follow suit.

Yes, boss.

 

[Derec]

Here's one example of socialism in the USA, the transportation system called "the freeway".

That is not socialism. That is just public spending. Socialism is an economic system characterized by public ownership of means of production. In Marxism, socialism is the intermediate stage in development toward communism, a stateless and classless society that has no need for things like money. Soviet Union and its satellites were not communist countries, but rather socialist, since communism hadn't been achieved by any of them.

In any case, this is off topic here. If you want to discuss socialism, there are threads for that.

 

[laughing dog]

Reasons why police are jumpy when suspects do things like going back into the car during a traffic stop.

Iowa State Patrol officer killed in Grundy County incident, including officer-involved shooting

NEW DETAILS: 3 officers injured, suspect dead after chase, shooting in Carroll County

Both of these happened within the last 2 days.

So? Caution does not necessitate shoot to kill. Really, using your reasoning, black men should be equally as jumpy when stopped or approached by the police. Yet, somehow, I doubt you'd give that as an out if they offed an officer.

The police are quite rightly jumpy when someone already committing a crime does an action that looks like they're trying to shoot the police. All too often they really are trying to shoot the police.

First, I say that is your usual kneejerk apologia. Second, in this case, the officer was allegedly grabbing for her taser which suggests she was not all afraid he was going for a weapon.

 

[lpetrich]

Here's one example of socialism in the USA, the transportation system called "the freeway".

That is not socialism. That is just public spending. Socialism is an economic system characterized by public ownership of means of production. ...

What is the boundary between (1) public spending and (2) public ownership of means of production? Derec, it seems to me that you are saying that roads are not socialist because you like them.

Governments own nearly all general-access roads. Privately-owned roads do exist, but those are almost all access roads on property. So general-access roads are almost all socialist roads, because government ownership of them is public ownership of the means of production of a service: providing places to travel on.

Likewise, government military and police forces are public ownership of the means of production of another service: protection. Government court systems are likewise, for arbitration, and government-owned jails and prisons are also likewise, for detention and punishment.

 

[Derec]

What is the boundary between (1) public spending and (2) public ownership of means of production? Derec, it seems to me that you are saying that roads are not socialist because you like them.

Basically, it's a question of what dominates the economy, private or public sector. Socialist systems had some private businesses, mostly small stores and restaurants, and capitalist systems have government involvement.

Governments own nearly all general-access roads. Privately-owned roads do exist, but those are almost all access roads on property. So general-access roads are almost all socialist roads, because government ownership of them is public ownership of the means of production of a service: providing places to travel on.

It's stupid to use road construction to define economic systems because then everything would be "socialism" because every functioning society has public services like road infrastructure and such.

Likewise, government military and police forces are public ownership of the means of production of another service: protection. Government court systems are likewise, for arbitration, and government-owned jails and prisons are also likewise, for detention and punishment.

Sure. Nobody claimed otherwise. But it's not socialism no more than an existence of a privately owned fruit stand in Cuba means that they are capitalist. Look to what the economy is dominated by, not the exceptions.

 

[marc]

Here's one example of socialism in the USA, the transportation system called "the freeway".

That is not socialism. That is just public spending. Socialism is an economic system characterized by public ownership of means of production. ...

What is the boundary between (1) public spending and (2) public ownership of means of production? Derec, it seems to me that you are saying that roads are not socialist because you like them.

Governments own nearly all general-access roads. Privately-owned roads do exist, but those are almost all access roads on property. So general-access roads are almost all socialist roads, because government ownership of them is public ownership of the means of production of a service: providing places to travel on.

Likewise, government military and police forces are public ownership of the means of production of another service: protection. Government court systems are likewise, for arbitration, and government-owned jails and prisons are also likewise, for detention and punishment.

Wait... but I thought public ownership of means of production was supposed to be communism, while public spending was socialism. In any case, pretty much every program proposed by the Democrats is public spending, not public production, so Derec is saying Republicans have been wrong/lied every time they have shouted 'socialism' about a Dem policy?

 

[DrZoidberg]

Jake Angeli/Jacob Anthony Chansley/QAnon Shaman is the gift that keeps on giving

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...3c2c96-52b9-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

What we did on Jan. 6 in many ways was an evolution in consciousness, because as we marched down the street along these ley lines, shouting ‘USA’ or shouting things like ‘freedom’ . . . we were actually affecting the quantum realm

The deep well of crazy seems bottomless

 

[none]

Jake Angeli/Jacob Anthony Chansley/QAnon Shaman is the gift that keeps on giving

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...3c2c96-52b9-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

What we did on Jan. 6 in many ways was an evolution in consciousness, because as we marched down the street along these ley lines, shouting ‘USA’ or shouting things like ‘freedom’ . . . we were actually affecting the quantum realm

The deep well of crazy seems bottomless

oh come on, very little people affect very little things

 

[DrZoidberg]

Jake Angeli/Jacob Anthony Chansley/QAnon Shaman is the gift that keeps on giving

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...3c2c96-52b9-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

What we did on Jan. 6 in many ways was an evolution in consciousness, because as we marched down the street along these ley lines, shouting ‘USA’ or shouting things like ‘freedom’ . . . we were actually affecting the quantum realm

The deep well of crazy seems bottomless

oh come on, very little people affect very little things

Good point. To "actually affect" the quantum realm is a pretty banal claim. I would be more impressive to not affect the quantum realm in some way. Perhaps it can be done by marching and not marching at the same time?

 

[Derec]

To get back to the topic, there are again riots in Portland

Police declare riot after crowd smashes windows in downtown Portland


What do Antifas have against Brazilian steakhouses? Maybe because they are all vegan ...

Also, arson.
Riot declared in Portland; arsonists set fires downtown

Shame on Ted Wheeler and Mike Schmidt for treating these terrorists with kid gloves!

 

[ZiprHead]

Cities Drop Most Charges Against BLM Protesters as Cops Fail to Provide Evidence

At least 90 percent of charges against Black Lives Matter protesters in a dozen jurisdictions have been dropped, dismissed or not filed, according to an analysis by The Guardian. Such a high percentage suggests that the police may have been arresting people simply to suppress dissent.

In Houston and Los Angeles, The Guardian found, 93 percent of charges were either dropped or never filed; in some cities like Dallas and Philadelphia, that number rose to 95 percent of charges dropped or never prosecuted. Meanwhile, in San Francisco, 100 percent of 127 cases related to peaceful protesting were dropped.

The extremely high percentage of protest-related charges ultimately being dropped or dismissed suggests that police may have been using arrests as a tactic to prove that the protests were unruly and unlawful. As political commentators from both parties disparaged the movement for racial justice, media outlets kept tallies of arrests from the protests.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Cities Drop Most Charges Against BLM Protesters as Cops Fail to Provide Evidence

At least 90 percent of charges against Black Lives Matter protesters in a dozen jurisdictions have been dropped, dismissed or not filed, according to an analysis by The Guardian. Such a high percentage suggests that the police may have been arresting people simply to suppress dissent.

In Houston and Los Angeles, The Guardian found, 93 percent of charges were either dropped or never filed; in some cities like Dallas and Philadelphia, that number rose to 95 percent of charges dropped or never prosecuted. Meanwhile, in San Francisco, 100 percent of 127 cases related to peaceful protesting were dropped.

The extremely high percentage of protest-related charges ultimately being dropped or dismissed suggests that police may have been using arrests as a tactic to prove that the protests were unruly and unlawful. As political commentators from both parties disparaged the movement for racial justice, media outlets kept tallies of arrests from the protests.

No surprise. The police were after the leaders, not those guilty of crimes.

 

[ZiprHead]

Cities Drop Most Charges Against BLM Protesters as Cops Fail to Provide Evidence

At least 90 percent of charges against Black Lives Matter protesters in a dozen jurisdictions have been dropped, dismissed or not filed, according to an analysis by The Guardian. Such a high percentage suggests that the police may have been arresting people simply to suppress dissent.

In Houston and Los Angeles, The Guardian found, 93 percent of charges were either dropped or never filed; in some cities like Dallas and Philadelphia, that number rose to 95 percent of charges dropped or never prosecuted. Meanwhile, in San Francisco, 100 percent of 127 cases related to peaceful protesting were dropped.

The extremely high percentage of protest-related charges ultimately being dropped or dismissed suggests that police may have been using arrests as a tactic to prove that the protests were unruly and unlawful. As political commentators from both parties disparaged the movement for racial justice, media outlets kept tallies of arrests from the protests.

No surprise. The police were after the leaders, not those guilty of crimes.

Is that why they were attacking journalists?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Cities Drop Most Charges Against BLM Protesters as Cops Fail to Provide Evidence

At least 90 percent of charges against Black Lives Matter protesters in a dozen jurisdictions have been dropped, dismissed or not filed, according to an analysis by The Guardian. Such a high percentage suggests that the police may have been arresting people simply to suppress dissent.

In Houston and Los Angeles, The Guardian found, 93 percent of charges were either dropped or never filed; in some cities like Dallas and Philadelphia, that number rose to 95 percent of charges dropped or never prosecuted. Meanwhile, in San Francisco, 100 percent of 127 cases related to peaceful protesting were dropped.

The extremely high percentage of protest-related charges ultimately being dropped or dismissed suggests that police may have been using arrests as a tactic to prove that the protests were unruly and unlawful. As political commentators from both parties disparaged the movement for racial justice, media outlets kept tallies of arrests from the protests.

No surprise. The police were after the leaders, not those guilty of crimes.

Who says?

 

[Derec]

Cities Drop Most Charges Against BLM Protesters as Cops Fail to Provide Evidence

Grauniad and Truthoit (a far left blog) are full of shit, as usual. The fauxgressive DAs like Mike Schmidt of Portland refuse to file charges not because of lack of evidence but because of politics.
That's why the feds had to file a lot of these chrarges instead.

Take Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman. A lot of evidence against them (including a photo of Urooj holding a Molotov) but the Brooklyn DA never charged them with any state crime.

 

[blastula]

Cities Drop Most Charges Against BLM Protesters as Cops Fail to Provide Evidence

Grauniad and Truthoit (a far left blog) are full of shit, as usual. The fauxgressive DAs like Mike Schmidt of Portland refuse to file charges not because of lack of evidence but because of politics.
That's why the feds had to file a lot of these chrarges instead.

Take Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman. A lot of evidence against them (including a photo of Urooj holding a Molotov) but the Brooklyn DA never charged them with any state crime.

The numbers come lots of different cities, not just Portland.

 

[Derec]

The numbers come lots of different cities, not just Portland.

Portland is not the only city with a left-wing DA. There have been a lot of them elected recently. Like Gascon in LA (who refuses to prosecute 17 year old gang enforcers as adults) or terrorist spawn Chesa Boudin in SF. St. Louis also recently elected a left-wing radical as DA.

 

[blastula]

Eh, then you're just speculating about all the dismissed cases.

 

[ZiprHead]

Ohio State students angered by ChittFest damages, police response

"The police dispatcher told me, and I quote, 'They have other things to worry about and they'll come down when it's safe for them,'" said Taras, 22, of Cleveland. "I'm really disappointed there were no police there."

By the time police arrived, around 3 a.m., Taras said, the people who damaged her car were long gone. Her arms are covered in bruises, she said, from shoving people away.

"There were no repercussions, no arrests made," she said. "I need to find the people who did this."