Putin-backed troops quietly move a border on the fringes of Europe

[phands]

This is scary..while the world watches the trump clown-show, Putin is quietly invading neighbours....

Ignoring Washington's warnings, troops have been moving a disputed boundary deeper into Georgia, a former Soviet republic that's now a staunch U.S. ally

Ignoring Washington's warnings, Moscow-backed troops have been moving a disputed border deeper into Georgia, a former Soviet republic that is now a staunch U.S. ally.


Sometimes a few extra acres are swallowed up in the night. In other places, ditches are plowed, surveillance cameras installed and green signs erected reading: "Attention! State Border! Passage Forbidden!"

Anyone remotely imagine trumpo will even talk about it? And yet, this is how we lurch toward war.

Much more at:- https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...cked-borderization-costs-georgia-land-n892321

 

[Copernicus]

It is inaccurate to say that Georgia is a staunch US ally. With Trump in charge, we have no staunch allies. Countries that border Russia can be easily bullied by Putin, and it is extremely unlikely that Georgia would get help from any country if it were invaded again. If he wanted, Putin could annex Georgia militarily, although it would just aggravate his problems with Western countries. This border-creep tactic is probably just designed to put greater pressure on Tbilisi to move more quickly in aligning its politics with Russian interests. Putin has at least until 2020 to build itself some new puppet regimes on its borders. Russians can already enter Georgia without visas, and the prime minister declared in March that he was ready to normalize relations with Russia.

 

[barbos]

This is scary..while the world watches the trump clown-show, Putin is quietly invading neighbours....

Ignoring Washington's warnings, troops have been moving a disputed boundary deeper into Georgia, a former Soviet republic that's now a staunch U.S. ally puppet.

Ignoring Washington's warnings, Moscow-backed troops have been moving a disputed border deeper into Georgia, a former Soviet republic that is now a staunch U.S. ally.


Sometimes a few extra acres are swallowed up in the night. In other places, ditches are plowed, surveillance cameras installed and green signs erected reading: "Attention! State Border! Passage Forbidden!"

Anyone remotely imagine trumpo will even talk about it? And yet, this is how we lurch toward war.

Much more at:- https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...cked-borderization-costs-georgia-land-n892321

Fixed for you. And both sides have a long history of moving border back and forth.

 

[phands]

It is inaccurate to say that Georgia is a staunch US ally. With Trump in charge, we have no staunch allies.

Well said, sir!

 

[Copernicus]

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Fixed for you. And both sides have a long history of moving border back and forth.

As usual, barbos, you are only interested in spouting the Kremlin side. Your video has no link to indicate when it was made, so I bothered to look it up. This was made in 2008 during the  Russo-Georgian war, when Russian-backed rebels began shelling Georgian villages and Russia invaded  South Ossetia, a territory that is internationally recognized as a part of Georgia, not Russia.

The current topic is about 2018, not 2008. There is no justification for Putin's aggressive territorial grabs now, but it is pretty clear what the motivation is--Russian domination of a bordering nation. This is why so many countries around Russia desperately tried to join NATO after the break up of the Soviet Union. There are no illusions in that part of the world about the kind of role that Putin envisions for Russia in the region. He wants to grab back territories that the Russia lost with the breakup of the Soviet empire or, at the very least, to force neighboring countries to do his bidding.

 

[barbos]

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Fixed for you. And both sides have a long history of moving border back and forth.

As usual, barbos, you are only interested in spouting the Kremlin side. Your video has no link to indicate when it was made, so I bothered to look it up. This was made in 2008 during the  Russo-Georgian war, when Russian-backed rebels began shelling Georgian villages and Russia invaded  South Ossetia, a territory that is internationally recognized as a part of Georgia, not Russia.

The current topic is about 2018, not 2008. There is no justification for Putin's aggressive territorial grabs now, but it is pretty clear what the motivation is--Russian domination of a bordering nation. This is why so many countries around Russia desperately tried to join NATO after the break up of the Soviet Union. There are no illusions in that part of the world about the kind of role that Putin envisions for Russia in the region. He wants to grab back territories that the Russia lost with the breakup of the Soviet empire or, at the very least, to force neighboring countries to do his bidding.

You did not watch the video, did you? You went to your usual ignorant bullshit.

 

[Copernicus]

I both watched the video and searched for the relevant source, which you neglected to give. It was created in 2008 and has nothing to do with the OP.

 

[steve_bank]

Putin wants the Baltic states back. I remember the videos of Russian tanks in Poland and Solidariyu.

 

[fast]

What would the true political repercussions be if the US did that to Canada?

 

[barbos]

I both watched the video

Yet you completely ignored the point which was made in that video.

and searched for the relevant source, which you neglected to give.

Wow, such a work to look at the date of the video.

It was created in 2008 and has nothing to do with the OP.

Oh, it has a lot to do with OP. Official stance of US government media was shown to be lie in 2008. American girl has shown it quite conclusively. So there is no reason to believe that OP is not a lie.

 

[barbos]

Putin wants the Baltic states back. I remember the videos of Russian tanks in Poland and Solidariyu.

You failed your history class. Tanks were in Czechoslovakia (and Hungary before that) and were not just soviet (russian) ones. They were tank from Warsaw Pact countries.

And no, nobody wants Baltic states back.

 

[Tigers!]

Few US presidents seem to be able to stop Russia do what they want.
IIRC Crimea was invaded by Russia in 2014 when Obama was there. A lot of bluster but again nothing was done.
And Assad crossed Obama's line in Syria and nothing happened.

Too many of the US president's talk tough but do not back it up when it counts.

 

[barbos]

Too many US presidents fail to make a background check on their new "I hate Putin" friends.

 

[Jayjay]

Few US presidents seem to be able to stop Russia do what they want.
IIRC Crimea was invaded by Russia in 2014 when Obama was there. A lot of bluster but again nothing was done.
And Assad crossed Obama's line in Syria and nothing happened.

Too many of the US president's talk tough but do not back it up when it counts.

Those who did back it up, e.g. Bush, usually ended up causing more mayhem in the long term. Peaceful resolution, like the one US tried in Ukraine before Crimea, would have been a better way but it's not like that's been a high priority for any of the presidents either. Backwaters like Ukraine and Georgia are just not that important to get yourself dirty.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Few US presidents seem to be able to stop Russia do what they want.
IIRC Crimea was invaded by Russia in 2014 when Obama was there. A lot of bluster but again nothing was done.
And Assad crossed Obama's line in Syria and nothing happened.

Too many of the US president's talk tough but do not back it up when it counts.

Those who did back it up, e.g. Bush, usually ended up causing more mayhem in the long term. Peaceful resolution, like the one US tried in Ukraine before Crimea, would have been a better way but it's not like that's been a high priority for any of the presidents either. Backwaters like Ukraine and Georgia are just not that important to get yourself dirty.

One of the big differences between republican and democratic administrations is that dems prefer foreign action with international partners; whereas republicans will go on their own. Bush invaded Iraq without most of our allies, our allies were right. Obama didn't hit Syria, mostly because our allies were against it (and the republican congress!!) after they crossed the line. I think that our allies were right both times.

 

[funinspace]

Few US presidents seem to be able to stop Russia do what they want.
IIRC Crimea was invaded by Russia in 2014 when Obama was there. A lot of bluster but again nothing was done.
And Assad crossed Obama's line in Syria and nothing happened.

Too many of the US president's talk tough but do not back it up when it counts.

Not that anything I say is in support of Putin's actions, but tossing the Syrian fiasco into this topic is pretty silly. Probably more than a dozen countries have been butt fucking Syria since the beginning of this mess.

Who stopped the US from invading Iraq? Who stopped the US bombing Libya into anarchy? Who stopped (is stopping) the US from backing the Saudi destruction of Yemen? We are not going to go to war against Russia for poking/abusing their former USSR territories on their border. And when Pres. Obama pushed sanctions on Russia, the EU dragged their feet on the issue. Never mind that China didn't care... And as El Cheato is probably going to find out with Iran, unilateral sanctions against a country don't work that well.

 

[barbos]

Few US presidents seem to be able to stop Russia do what they want.
IIRC Crimea was invaded by Russia in 2014 when Obama was there. A lot of bluster but again nothing was done.
And Assad crossed Obama's line in Syria and nothing happened.

Too many of the US president's talk tough but do not back it up when it counts.

Those who did back it up, e.g. Bush, usually ended up causing more mayhem in the long term. Peaceful resolution, like the one US tried in Ukraine before Crimea, would have been a better way but it's not like that's been a high priority for any of the presidents either. Backwaters like Ukraine and Georgia are just not that important to get yourself dirty.

Oh, they got dirty all right. Saakashvili's right hand man, actually a woman (after she could no longer tolerate Saaka and went opposition to him) admitted that State Department MO was simple, you tell them you don't like Russia and Putin you get automatic support and money no further questions.
Then the same people including Saaka went to Ukraine and did the same trick there.

 

[Jayjay]

Few US presidents seem to be able to stop Russia do what they want.
IIRC Crimea was invaded by Russia in 2014 when Obama was there. A lot of bluster but again nothing was done.
And Assad crossed Obama's line in Syria and nothing happened.

Too many of the US president's talk tough but do not back it up when it counts.

Those who did back it up, e.g. Bush, usually ended up causing more mayhem in the long term. Peaceful resolution, like the one US tried in Ukraine before Crimea, would have been a better way but it's not like that's been a high priority for any of the presidents either. Backwaters like Ukraine and Georgia are just not that important to get yourself dirty.

Oh, they got dirty all right. Saakashvili's right hand man, actually a woman (after she could no longer tolerate Saaka and went opposition to him) admitted that State Department MO was simple, you tell them you don't like Russia and Putin you get automatic support and money no further questions.
Then the same people including Saaka went to Ukraine and did the same trick there.

I meant dirty in a positive way. Like Mike Rowe's Dirty Jobs kind of dirty.

 

[Copernicus]

Yet you completely ignored the point which was made in that video.

Explain what point you think the video made about a girl caught in a war zone. Next time, don't just post a video. Make the effort to explain what you think its relevance is to the discussion.

It was created in 2008 and has nothing to do with the OP.

Oh, it has a lot to do with OP. Official stance of US government media was shown to be lie in 2008. American girl has shown it quite conclusively. So there is no reason to believe that OP is not a lie.

First of all, the US is not Russia, where the major news outlets do not dare report things that embarrass the government. There is no "official stance of the US government media" (although FOX News is arguably the official propaganda organ of the Republican Party). The government informs the media, and they are able to criticize government policy freely.

Secondly, what is it that you think the girl exposed as a lie? It should not be that hard to make your point clear instead of trying to make others guess what it is.

Thirdly, there is no reason to believe that anything reported in the OP is a lie. It is about current events, not a war that Russia started a decade ago by sending its troops into a neighboring country. Your video tells us nothing whatsoever about the OP. It is a distraction from the topic of discussion.

 

[barbos]

Explain what point you think the video made about a girl caught in a war zone. Next time, don't just post a video. Make the effort to explain what you think its relevance is to the discussion.

Don't play stupid.

Oh, it has a lot to do with OP. Official stance of US government media was shown to be lie in 2008. American girl has shown it quite conclusively. So there is no reason to believe that OP is not a lie.

First of all, the US is not Russia, where the major news outlets do not dare report things that embarrass the government. There is no "official stance of the US government media" (although FOX News is arguably the official propaganda organ of the Republican Party). The government informs the media, and they are able to criticize government policy freely.

Bush was the president, so Fox was official government media at the time.
Yes, yet they did not criticize when government lied about 2008 Georgian War.

Secondly, what is it that you think the girl exposed as a lie? It should not be that hard to make your point clear instead of trying to make others guess what it is.

Don't play stupid.

Thirdly, there is no reason to believe that anything reported in the OP is a lie. It is about current events, not a war that Russia started a decade ago by sending its troops into a neighboring country. Your video tells us nothing whatsoever about the OP. It is a distraction from the topic of discussion.

Russia did not start that war. Georgia backed by US did.