R. Kelly Charged

[Angry Floof]

If his victims had been white, maybe. But they weren't. Abuse of black girls and women is at the bottom of the heap of what American society is willing to ignore.

Whatever the reasons for R. Kelly being given a pass for his decades of crimes against children, his blackness isn't it. It''s more like no one cared about or believed his victims until now.

 

[TSwizzle]

Yeah. Epstein. Kevin Spacey. Dershowitz. The list goes on.

I only recognize Kevin Spacey and I think he is currently being held to account in court.

Of course you wouldn't recognize those other names. Why would you? Why would they interest you at all? Epstein is a human trafficker and Dershowitz is a well known attorney who received personal favors from his friend Epstein in the form of enslaved girls to have sex with.

Well, I didn't know who R. Kelly was until about a week ago either.

Bill Cosby and Michael Jackson, I am familiar with them.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Of course you wouldn't recognize those other names. Why would you? Why would they interest you at all? Epstein is a human trafficker and Dershowitz is a well known attorney who received personal favors from his friend Epstein in the form of enslaved girls to have sex with.

Well, I didn't know who R. Kelly was until about a week ago either.

You live under a rock? I don't listen to music like R Kelly makes, and even I know that he exists... (like Kanye West and Jay Z) and there has been quite the history for him. The video of him with an underage girl was quite well known... as was his acquittal.

 

[TSwizzle]

Of course you wouldn't recognize those other names. Why would you? Why would they interest you at all? Epstein is a human trafficker and Dershowitz is a well known attorney who received personal favors from his friend Epstein in the form of enslaved girls to have sex with.

Well, I didn't know who R. Kelly was until about a week ago either.

You live under a rock? I don't listen to music like R Kelly makes, and even I know that he exists... (like Kanye West and Jay Z) and there has been quite the history for him. The video of him with an underage girl was quite well known... as was his acquittal.

No I don't live under a rock. I don't listen to R&B or rap which is genre ? Can't say I've heard of him. I may have had him mixed up with Bobby Brown or the guy that punched Riahnaa.

 

[AirPoh]

10 counts of criminal sexual abuse of four differant girls in Chicago.

Excellent news. I hope his friends and employees who helped facilitate and cover up these crimes over the last 20-25 years are also held accountable. I hope R. Kelly dies in prison. He probably won't, but one can dream.

Now let's apply this same accountability to white abusers.

Roman Polanski
Larry Nasser
Jerry Sandusky
Jared Fogel
George Pell

The list goes on

 

[Tom Sawyer]

OK, but what about Native American abusers? Why aren't they being held to account?

 

[TSwizzle]

10 counts of criminal sexual abuse of four differant girls in Chicago.

Excellent news. I hope his friends and employees who helped facilitate and cover up these crimes over the last 20-25 years are also held accountable. I hope R. Kelly dies in prison. He probably won't, but one can dream.

Now let's apply this same accountability to white abusers.

Roman Polanski

The list goes on

Polanksi is a strange one. He fled the USA before he was likely going to get a prison sentence. Still faces that threat if he returns to the USA. And yet, he is still revered in some Hollywood circles. Not exactly shunned by his peers.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Roman Polanski

The list goes on

Polanksi is a strange one. He fled the USA before he was likely going to get a prison sentence. Still faces that threat if he returns to the USA. And yet, he is still revered in some Hollywood circles. Not exactly shunned by his peers.

You've heard of Polanski... but not R Kelly.

Regardless... Hollywood has done an about face with Polanski now that Hollywood apparently is anti-sexual extortion now. I think he was kicked out of the Academy. Decades after the fact, but you know... #nevertolatetometoo

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

OK, but what about Native American abusers? Why aren't they being held to account?

Too busy trying to get the Washington Cut off Indian Scalps... I mean Redskins to change their name.

 

[TSwizzle]

Roman Polanski

The list goes on

Polanksi is a strange one. He fled the USA before he was likely going to get a prison sentence. Still faces that threat if he returns to the USA. And yet, he is still revered in some Hollywood circles. Not exactly shunned by his peers.

You've heard of Polanski... but not R Kelly.

I just looked up R. Kelly, one of his biggest and best know hits is "I Believe I can Fly" ......never heard it before. I have a vague memory of Bobby Brown but only because he was married to Whitney Houston and a reality show. I just don't follow that genre.

Regardless... Hollywood has done an about face with Polanski now that Hollywood apparently is anti-sexual extortion now. I think he was kicked out of the Academy. Decades after the fact, but you know... #nevertolatetometoo

I guess I am behind the times on Polanski, I thought he was still making movies.

 

[ronburgundy]

If his victims had been white, maybe. But they weren't. Abuse of black girls and women is at the bottom of the heap of what American society is willing to ignore.

Whatever the reasons for R. Kelly being given a pass for his decades of crimes against children, his blackness isn't it. It''s more like no one cared about or believed his victims until now.

That's a nice unfalsifiable theory you got there.
If a black criminal is prosecuted, it's b/c they are black.
If they are not, it's b/c their victims are black.

No, it is nearly certain that Kelly got a pass b/c he was black.
The NAACP gave him 7 IMAGE awards for being a black role model.
Another 25 of his awards would not have been given to him if he wasn't black, such as those from BET, Black REAL, and BMI "Urban". These are awards decided by and given to almost exclusively black artists in front of almost entirely black audiences.

The majority of his remaining awards were given to him as a "Hip-Hop" artists due to his sales and popularity among his overwhelmingly black fans.

In sum, nearly all his awards, success, and money while being a convicted violent criminal and known child molester has been due to support from other blacks, where his own blackness was central to that support.

The support he has gotten is likely a combination of two overall factors: 1) Many in the black community dismissing the convictions and accusations as being racial bias against him, and 2) The fact that his music exists in a genre where criminal violence and abuse of women is celebrated and honored, and many of it's performers have criminal records and history of violence against women.

 

[J842P]

If his victims had been white, maybe. But they weren't. Abuse of black girls and women is at the bottom of the heap of what American society is willing to ignore.

Whatever the reasons for R. Kelly being given a pass for his decades of crimes against children, his blackness isn't it. It''s more like no one cared about or believed his victims until now.

That's a nice unfalsifiable theory you got there.
If a black criminal is prosecuted, it's b/c they are black.
If they are not, it's b/c their victims are black.

No, it is nearly certain that Kelly got a pass b/c he was black.
The NAACP gave him 7 IMAGE awards for being a black role model.
Another 25 of his awards would not have been given to him if he wasn't black, such as those from BET, Black REAL, and BMI "Urban". These are awards decided by and given to almost exclusively black artists in front of almost entirely black audiences.

The majority of his remaining awards were given to him as a "Hip-Hop" artists due to his sales and popularity among his overwhelmingly black fans.

In sum, nearly all his awards, success, and money while being a convicted violent criminal and known child molester has been due to support from other blacks, where his own blackness was central to that support.

The support he has gotten is likely a combination of two overall factors: 1) Many in the black community dismissing the convictions and accusations as being racial bias against him, and 2) The fact that his music exists in a genre where criminal violence and abuse of women is celebrated and honored, and many of it's performers have criminal records and history of violence against women.

You aren't being fair to the theory, here. I mean, it can explain anything, and you can't ever show that it is false, so it's gotta be true.

You probably don't understand because you are white.

And if you aren't, it's because you are a man.

And if you aren't a man, it's because you've internalized racism and patriarchy, so it doesn't matter. QED.

 

[ronburgundy]

BTW,

Nothing I've said in this thread should be inferred as denying that blacks in general get more harshly penalized by the criminal justice system. Just that it is absurd to raise that issue in reference to R Kelly b/c his being black has been central to his continued public support, fame, and income given to him during his 20 years as known criminal and sex offender.

The support he got far exceeded that of any of the white men being listed in this thread as supposedly getting a pass, some of whom had their careers and popularity instantly destroyed upon the public first becoming aware of the crimes (e.g., Spacey), others who were never public figures but were shielded from legal action due to a couple of people keeping it quiet but with an immediate public backlash as soon as the crimes became known (Sandusky), and then Polanski who has been an outlaw for 40 years, and has little public support other than a handful of supporters in Hollywood. Many in the film industry do still consider his films to be great, but that is a separate issue. Despite the view among many Hollywood elite that he's among the great directors, he's only gotten a single US-based film award in the last 40 years, despite getting 16 awards during that time from 9 different non-US based film organizations. That is clearly a sign that there has been a conscious effort by Hollywood not to award Polanski the director, even when artistically deserved, due to the actions of Polanski the man.

 

[repoman]

https://www.out.com/news-opinion/2019/1/09/ed-buck-death-west-hollywood-jasmyne-cannick

What about Ed Buck?

 

[steve_bank]

Alew of prominent white men have been toppled over the last few years for varying degrees of sex abuse.

The apparent intellectual and reserved Charlie Rose on PBS asked a female subordinate to come to his place and answered the door naked.

It came out everyone in Hollowed new about Harvey Weinstein, sexual coercion to outright rape. Yet no one spoke out.

It has been reported he is illiterate. Poor education and ill-equipped to handle money, fame, and social power.

Same thing happened to Elvis and many others. Elvis was surrounded by hangers on not people who could help him.



Undoubtedly this man's problems were well known. People around him probably enabled and protected.

 

[repoman]

The interview he did with Gayle King is the new standard. Step aside Bogart with your ball bearings.