False equivalent. It's got to do with how to minimise harm.
Maybe not let people with criminal records. Khavari, from the OP, had an attempted murder conviction in Greece. Yet he was allowed to migrate into Germany.
Derec is spreading events out of context and trying to create associations and causalities where there are none.
What is out of context here? We have an Afghan economic migrant who lived in Iran (no war to flee from!). In Greece he almost killed a woman, was convicted but only served a short sentence. Due to Merkel's idiotic "open door policy" he was allowed to migrate and apply for asylum (that in itself is a violation of the Dublin agreement) without questioning his reason for coming (money, not war or persecution) or checking his criminal record.
Khavari is the poster child for everything that is wrong with Merkel's open door policy.
That's basically a lie. The spreading of lies can be as harmful as rape, if it leads to unwarranted reactions.
What did I say that was a lie?
I think it's fair to compare the idea of Muslim refugees/immigrants as rapists (or more inclined to rape) with how Jews were portrayed by the Nazis.
Not all Muslim migrants are rapists, but a lot of them are. And those that are should be deported after serving their sentence. And if they have prior criminal record that should be checked before they are allowed to migrate.
It has nothing to do with "how Jews were portrayed by the Nazis". One big difference is that Jews Nazis persecuted lived in Germany for centuries. They were part of the German social fabric. They lived by German laws. That is not the case with many of the recent migrants, who come from cultures like Afghanistan incompatible with Europe cultures. If they don't want to conform to European norms they should not come. It is not Europeans who should change to appease the Muslims. And there is nothing wrong to check criminal background of would-be migrants. In fact, it is completely reckless, irresponsible, and negligent not to.
Whenever we vilify any group of people the first choice is to bring suspicions about that groups abnormal sexual behaviours. Most often we try to create animalistic associations. Like that group is less good at controlling their sexuality. What causes offence depends on what the norms are at that time. The vilified group will invariably occupy whatever is the most immoral association.
It is not the "right wingers" who make these claims, it is Muslim migrants themselves.
Independent said:
The court heard how Amir dragged his victim into the cubicle, locked the door and raped him. The child reported the attack to a lifeguard, and when police arrived they found Amir had returned to the pool and was playing on a diving board, making no attempt to flee.
According to reports, Amir confessed to the attack in initial police questioning, telling them it had been a “sexual emergency” because he had not had sex for four months.
Man who raped child in swimming pool because it was 'a sexual emergency' has jail sentence increased on appeal
Damn those right-wing Iraqi "refugees" vilifying Iraqi "refugees" about their abnormal sexual behaviors!
So whenever a groups sexual behaviours are put into question we need to take a step back and ask ourselves if it's true. The statistics are freely available on the sexual behaviours of refugees in many countries. In Sweden we don't collect statistics on religion, ethnicity or alternative nationalities.
But you do treat broken condom cases by Australians much more seriously than child rape by Yemeni Muslims.
But they do in Germany and Denmark. So we have the numbers.
In Bavaria it is certainly a disproportionate number.
Afghan asylum seekers held over rape of teenager in Bavaria
Times said:
Officials said last week that they were investigating why the number of rapes in the state had risen to 685 in the first six months of the year compared with 463 in the same period last year. Immigrants were suspected in 126 cases, up from 66.
Thus immigrants are responsible for 18% of all rapes, and 27% of the increase. The only major source of immigrants into Bavaria in the last few years were the Muslim mass migrants Merkel let in without any restrictions or vetting.
But even if Muslim migrants were no more likely to rape than Germans, it is still irresponsible not to vet and check out potential migrants for criminal background. If you, a Swede, wanted to immigrate into US, you would need to undergo a background check. A conviction for attempted murder would disqualify you for sure, regardless of the fact that Americans rape and murder too. Why should there be lesser standards on Afghans who want to migrate to Germany?
Refugees, Muslims and immigrants aren't over-represented in the rape statistics.
Citation needed. You already admitted that Sweden is hiding the numbers.
It's slightly a bit higher. But that can be explained by the fact that slightly higher rape statistics correlates with poverty.
Migrants get pretty generous public assistance in places like Germany, Sweden or Austria. Yet they still rape because of "sexual emergencies".
It's a class and status thing. So if we adjust for that then there's no difference. It's still just slightly higher. There's no rape epidemic. The number of reported rapes hasn't gone up since we got the flood of refugees.
The numbers Times quoted for Bavaria do not bear that out.
Nothing happened. We got some areas where rapes went up temporarily. These were dutifully reported by the racist press, Daily Mail and such. But it also went down in other areas. Its called statistical variance. Over time we saw that there's no statistically significant difference. Which is statistics-talk for rapes not going up.
Yupp. Nothing to see there. And if any press outlet dares to contradict the PC party line, they must be "racist press". I guess that is the left-wing variant of the "Lügenpresse" slur.
And again, even if there was no difference in rape rates, there is no legitimate reason not to vet migrants for criminal background and extremism. And most certainly their identity, age and country of origin should be independently conformed especially when they (as many do) conveniently "lose" any documents.
Derec came up with the creative name "rapefugee".
No, unfortunately I cannot claim I came up with that.
Could things like that be the culprit? Do you think that the image and association of Muslims, people with darker complexion, immigrants and refugees, as more likely to rape, might negatively impact their lives? How much do you think that negatively impacts their lives?
Far less than being raped and murdered impacted the life of that poor girl. And her death was completely avoidable as there was no good reason why any country should have allowed Khavari to immigrate into it.
That is harm being done. It's hard to compare the collective harm directed against these thousands people with one raped woman.
It's not one. It's many. And not just women, but also boys and girls. And not just rape, but also murder.
It also has more bizarre effects. It leads to a polarised society. We get people who can read statistics on one hand, against people who can't on the other. When people are divided they become blind to transgressions of people on the same side.
What good is being able to read statistics when you admit your country hides statistics on migrant crime? And what good is reading statistics when anybody publishing statistics that do not fit your PC notions are slandered as "racist press"?
An example. A couple of months ago there was a Swedish woman who got drunk at a "refugees welcome" party. She was "helped home" by a black guy. Outside her home she collapsed and past out. The black guy proceeded to rape her on the grass outside her home. This was recorded and neighbours ran out to apprehend the man. Police was called to the scene. The woman then woke up, didn't remember anything was told what had happened. She then denied it and started to defend the black man and calling the police and her neighbours racists for making such an accusation. In court the video of it surfaced.
This is the kind of political correctness that I am talking about and that your attitude fuels. It's not the only such case either.
There are genuine problems with Islam. How about focusing on that instead?
This is one of those genuine problems with Islam. The attitude of Islam toward women is extremely backward and leads to stuff like this. It's Madonna (hijab or even better burqa/niqab wearing virtuous women) whore (all other women, especially Western ones) complex times a million.
By the way, why are so many of these rape/murder stories about Afghans? Could it have to do with how straight they take their Islam?
