Removing Confederate Monuments and Renaming Confederate-Named Military Bases

[barbos]

Just wait until statues start rioting.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Thinking strategically, with a long-range view: if statues of regressive, violent racists are now taboo, how's Trump ever gonna get on Mt. Rushmore?

 

[Politesse]

Thinking strategically, with a long-range view: if statues of regressive, violent racists are now taboo, how's Trump ever gonna get on Mt. Rushmore?

Hang on, lemme fetch my Sharpie (tm).

 

[Worldtraveller]

Thinking strategically, with a long-range view: if statues of regressive, violent racists are now taboo, how's Trump ever gonna get on Mt. Rushmore?

Hang on, lemme fetch my Sharpie Orange Marker(tm).

Fixt.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Thinking strategically, with a long-range view: if statues of regressive, violent racists are now taboo, how's Trump ever gonna get on Mt. Rushmore?

On is easy. It's getting down that's difficult. The slope is steep and slippery.
If someone'll build a statue of him creeping down the last "ten feet," under Lincoln, I'll donate.

 

[Politesse]

Thinking strategically, with a long-range view: if statues of regressive, violent racists are now taboo, how's Trump ever gonna get on Mt. Rushmore?

Hang on, lemme fetch my Sharpie Orange Marker(tm).

Fixt.

My plan was to just draw a Hitler moustache on Jefferson.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Madison protests turn violent as Wisconsin state Sen. Tim Carpenter attacked, statues torn down - The Washington Post

They also pulled down two statues that stood outside the statehouse, including one of Col. Hans Christian Heg, a Norwegian immigrant and abolitionist who died fighting for the Union during the Civil War. Heg’s likeness was beheaded and thrown into a nearby lake, WKOW reported. The other statue torn from its base was a replica of Madison’s famed “Forward” statue, intended by its creator to be an “allegory of devotion and progress,” according to the Wisconsin Historical Society.

A brain dead mob. Are only the antifa assholes left protesting now?

I have no idea who is protesting.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nobody was saying that some lives don't matter. All lives matter. The issue was how to go about deciding the fate of questionable monuments, former slave owners, etc.

You mean people that committed the highest crime of treason, right? The question was, "what do we do with the statues dedicated to those that committed treason, including the statues that were erected near the Civil Rights Movement as a reminder of why the South really fought?"

Not all statues/monuments damaged or defaced were in the same category.

The point was not that some should or should not be removed, but the process by which it's determined which monument should stay and which should be removed, relocated or destroyed.

It seems disturbed mob was the only way these damn things were coming down.

I'm not really pro-mob anything. And yes, it is optimal to agree to take these things down. It has been 60 years since some of these things went up, and hadn't been taken down.

 

[Politesse]

I'm not really pro-mob anything. And yes, it is optimal to agree to take these things down. It has been 60 years since some of these things went up, and hadn't been taken down.

That's why we need the mob though. You're never going to convince the American public to stop worshiping genocidal maniacs in the public square through rational argument at the town council meeting.

 

[blastula]

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[Loren Pechtel]

I agree with Worldtraveller though. If you pick this moment to say "All lives matter" you are saying it in response to "black lives matter". So what you are saying in effect is that black lives don't matter. Timing is important.

If you genuinely think that black lives matter, since they are included in all lives, then why not just nod and agree, "yes, black lives do matter"? Why the need to point out that all lives matter? What is your objection?

Some of us regard "Black Lives Matter" as a racist position, "All Lives Matter" is the non-racist version thereof.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You're essentially (one of) the idiot(s) at the back of the BLM protest yelling "all lives matter". Seriously.

Calling someone an idiot and an ass because they think all lives matter hardly furthers the contest of ideas.
Seriously.

All lives very much matter. Equal Protection under the Constitution. #BLM was pointing out the lack of equal protection for them. #BLM probably should have named it Black Lives Matter Too, but probably figured white people would have been smart enough to understand what #BLM meant.

"All lives matter" is a true statement, but in general, it was being used by white people that don't think blacks are being unfairly targeted by police. So the term while accurate, is being used by idiots and asses, and naive people that don't know the origin of "all lives matter".

Except the supposed problem they are going after is false. Yes, there is a problem with the police, but they're not targeting blacks. If anyone is being targeted it's the poor.

 

[DBT]

I'm not really pro-mob anything. And yes, it is optimal to agree to take these things down. It has been 60 years since some of these things went up, and hadn't been taken down.

That's why we need the mob though. You're never going to convince the American public to stop worshiping genocidal maniacs in the public square through rational argument at the town council meeting.

Then it can apply to any mob, white supremacist, KKK, etc, may say "we need our mob on the streets."

 

[Politesse]

I'm not really pro-mob anything. And yes, it is optimal to agree to take these things down. It has been 60 years since some of these things went up, and hadn't been taken down.

That's why we need the mob though. You're never going to convince the American public to stop worshiping genocidal maniacs in the public square through rational argument at the town council meeting.

Then it can apply to any mob, white supremacist, KKK, etc, may say "we need our mob on the streets."

Indeed they do and have and are doing.

 

[thebeave]

Then it can apply to any mob, white supremacist, KKK, etc, may say "we need our mob on the streets."

Indeed they do and have and are doing.

And do you support the mob when they have views contrary to yours? For example, burning up a Planned Parenthood building, destroying a mosque, toppling statues of anyone who didn't support gay marraige from the get-go (e.g. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton...)

 

[DBT]

Then it can apply to any mob, white supremacist, KKK, etc, may say "we need our mob on the streets."

Indeed they do and have and are doing.

And that is a good thing? Affirmative action at work?

 

[laughing dog]

All lives very much matter. Equal Protection under the Constitution. #BLM was pointing out the lack of equal protection for them. #BLM probably should have named it Black Lives Matter Too, but probably figured white people would have been smart enough to understand what #BLM meant.

"All lives matter" is a true statement, but in general, it was being used by white people that don't think blacks are being unfairly targeted by police. So the term while accurate, is being used by idiots and asses, and naive people that don't know the origin of "all lives matter".

Except the supposed problem they are going after is false. Yes, there is a problem with the police, but they're not targeting blacks. If anyone is being targeted it's the poor.

Ah, the old "no race problem here" canard.

 

[Arctish]

I agree with Worldtraveller though. If you pick this moment to say "All lives matter" you are saying it in response to "black lives matter". So what you are saying in effect is that black lives don't matter. Timing is important.

If you genuinely think that black lives matter, since they are included in all lives, then why not just nod and agree, "yes, black lives do matter"? Why the need to point out that all lives matter? What is your objection?

Some of us regard "Black Lives Matter" as a racist position, "All Lives Matter" is the non-racist version thereof.

Then they should have no problem saying "I agree Black Lives Matter because I believe All Lives Matter". But apparently they find it almost impossible to admit. People like Mike Pence will bend over so far backward to avoid saying "Black Lives Matter", it looks like they've shoved their heads up their butts.

We won't get to the place where All Lives Matter unless we've reached the place where agreeing that Black Lives Matter, in public and out loud, isn't controversial.

 

[ZiprHead]

I agree with Worldtraveller though. If you pick this moment to say "All lives matter" you are saying it in response to "black lives matter". So what you are saying in effect is that black lives don't matter. Timing is important.

If you genuinely think that black lives matter, since they are included in all lives, then why not just nod and agree, "yes, black lives do matter"? Why the need to point out that all lives matter? What is your objection?

Some of us regard "Black Lives Matter" as a racist position, "All Lives Matter" is the non-racist version thereof.

If all lives really mattered, black lives matter wouldn't be a thing.

 

[Politesse]

And that is a good thing?

Absolutely not. It's an utter failure of governance, and will erode democratic hegemony and endanger lives for as long as it continues.

Affirmative action at work?

I'm baffled as to what affirmative action has to do with the situation at all.