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Removing Confederate Monuments and Renaming Confederate-Named Military Bases

 
 
 
Metaphor said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Metaphor said:
What claim? That if there was a clear majority of support to take the statues down, they'd have already been taken down. I still believe that to be true.
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Hussein was supported by a minority of the people, and he had statues.
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So, the United States of America is comparable to the repressive dictatorship of Iraq from 1979?
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A white mob murdered three young college aged kids. The state of Mississippi refused to investigate. No, it wasn't Iraq. It was America and it was ugly. And these statues remind us of every African American that was slaughtered because they forgot their place.
 
Arctish said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Arctish said:
An overwhelming majority of Americans favor limiting the number and types of guns and amount /types of ammunition private citizens can possess. They also want high capacity semi-automatic weapons banned. They want weapons purchased for home defense to stay in people's homes unless being transported under lock and key to a gun range, gunsmith's repair shop, or to be sold by a licensed dealer. They do not want loaded guns being carried around in public by people with absolutely no training in how to handle them safely.

Meaningful change should have happened decades ago, but a small and influential segment of society has blocked every attempt. So now what? Should the people who want change simply give up? Should they continue to use tactics that have proven to be utterly ineffective? Or should they ratchet things up a notch and increase the pressure on the entrenched power that is obstructing reform?
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That's not what most people support.
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Gallup

Pew Research Center

More links available if you start a thread on this topic. I won't contribute to a derail of this one.
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Your sources do not say what you think they say.

They say people favor a bit more gun control regulation than the current situation, not that they favor what you envision as "gun control".
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Arctish said:
Gallup

Pew Research Center

More links available if you start a thread on this topic. I won't contribute to a derail of this one.
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Your sources do not say what you think they say.

They say people favor a bit more gun control regulation than the current situation, not that they favor what you envision as "gun control".
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If you want to discuss this, start a new thread. I won't contribute to a derail.
 
Arctish said:
DBT said:
Collateral damage is easy for some to accept when it is someone else's family member killed, someone else's property destroyed, someone else's car burnt, someone else's business looted....then it's 'all a part of the good fight.'
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Who the f**k is dismissing someone's death as nothing more than collateral damage?

Seriously, do you think people are actually saying that Heather Heyer's death was acceptable or is this just hyperbole?
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I wasn't talking about you personally...I was referring to an attitude that some people appear to have in relation to collateral damage.

Which is implied in the approval or support of violent mob action when it achieves a desired result....even when it has been shown that peaceful means can achieve results without injury, death or damage to property .

The latter apparently being dismissed in the enthusiasm of the success of indiscriminate mob action.
 
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Madison protests turn violent as Wisconsin state Sen. Tim Carpenter attacked, statues torn down - The Washington Post

They also pulled down two statues that stood outside the statehouse, including one of Col. Hans Christian Heg, a Norwegian immigrant and abolitionist who died fighting for the Union during the Civil War. Heg’s likeness was beheaded and thrown into a nearby lake, WKOW reported. The other statue torn from its base was a replica of Madison’s famed “Forward” statue, intended by its creator to be an “allegory of devotion and progress,” according to the Wisconsin Historical Society.
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A brain dead mob. Are only the antifa assholes left protesting now?
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R. K. Narayan's short story "Lawley Road"
 
ZiprHead said:
Rhea said:
ZiprHead said:
you tube video
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Zipr - can you please add a paragraph about what is contained in the video so that it’s not a blind link?
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Hmm. it's not a blind link for me.
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Rhea can't easily stream videos like we can.

The video is about removing monuments. It starts with the speaker showing a screenshot of the website for the Robert E Lee Memorial two days before the Unite the Right rally at Charlottesville, and a second screenshot taken a few days after. The text in the first one is a glowing description of Lee and why he's remembered (imagine the verbal equivalent of a Thomas Kinkade painting). The second is a less fawning and more even-handed approach to the man and his legacy, but as the speaker points out, it's still not a true reckoning.

He then goes on to talk about the removal of statues of Confederates happening right now. He says we are at a tipping point and it's up to us to determine which way things tip. He points out things like extreme income income inequality and other problems and that if those trends continue no one will want to live with what results.

He finishes by saying "taking down these monuments won't cure the problem but it's at least an indication we are willing to deal with the truth."
 
That video is inlined for me. It's about removal of Confederate monuments.

I must say that some of the statue topplers have gone too far, knocking over statues of good people and people with mixed records. Mixed records like George Washington. He owned slaves, but aside from that, he was a very good leader in some ways. Like not wanting to make himself a monarch.

I find it curious that the Right does not concede deficiencies in George Washington. In his presidency, he raised taxes and suppressed a tax revolt -- the Whisky Rebellion against a tax on that drink.
 
If someone thinks slavery and genocide are small potatoes, you think they're going to get upset about a tax revolt? Washington is a god in the pantheon of American civil religion, not a man; they would forgive him anything.
 
Politesse said:
If someone thinks slavery and genocide are small potatoes, you think they're going to get upset about a tax revolt? Washington is a god in the pantheon of American civil religion, not a man; they would forgive him anything.
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You should see some right-wingers on taxes some time. They can get very worked up about taxes. Like how Clinton and Obama are guilty of "the biggest tax increase in history"
 
lpetrich said:
Politesse said:
If someone thinks slavery and genocide are small potatoes, you think they're going to get upset about a tax revolt? Washington is a god in the pantheon of American civil religion, not a man; they would forgive him anything.
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You should see some right-wingers on taxes some time. They can get very worked up about taxes. Like how Clinton and Obama are guilty of "the biggest tax increase in history"
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Clinton and Obama are men, not deities. "Founding Fathers" are beyond any reproach. If anyone says they did a bad thing, they are liars.
 
Politesse said:
lpetrich said:
Politesse said:
If someone thinks slavery and genocide are small potatoes, you think they're going to get upset about a tax revolt? Washington is a god in the pantheon of American civil religion, not a man; they would forgive him anything.
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You should see some right-wingers on taxes some time. They can get very worked up about taxes. Like how Clinton and Obama are guilty of "the biggest tax increase in history"
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Clinton and Obama are men, not deities. "Founding Fathers" are beyond any reproach. If anyone says they did a bad thing, they are liars.
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I get the drift. It's a religious thing, the need to elevate things to worship status. Lee had a lot of doubters and scoffers in his time within his ranks and within the confederate government. This stuff is never known and expressed by the glorifiers.
 
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