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Republicans - the HONEST Party

 
 
 
ronburgundy said:
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If you just meant that you are not going to have "Democrat" as a part of your identity ...
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Yeah, that's most of it. The OP was in-artful and somewhat of a snark. But I am seriously doubting that the Dems can ever re-gain power without becoming that which they decry, and that which I despise.
Wait! Am I becoming untermensche?? :eek:
 
Elixir said:
Tom Sawyer said:
While the Democratic Party is certainly compromised, it's not actively working against the issues you're talking about ...
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I think you mean "overtly".
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What would you call Nancy Pelosi taking both single payer and public option 'OFF THE TABLE.' This hundred million dollar baby needs to be booted out of every level of government and replaced with somebody responsible.
 
Thing is, the Dems do have a progressive wing. They don't have much influence, but they're there.

When Repugs talk about Dems not being honest, it's the Pelosi types they're referring to, not Ellison or Sanders.
 
A third party on the left is actually not a bad thing for liberals in the US at this point. If we all play to the lesser of two evils, then we creep further and further to evil.

Imagine the situation had Hilary won in a landslide as was predicted. The Dems would then claim they have a huge mandate and see no reason to reform, just because people who absolutely dont support them voted for them because somebody else was seen as worse.

Now imagine a bigger victory for Trump, where nobody could blame it on racism and baskets of deplorables etc. Then the Dems would need to reform to survive and would have chosen Ellison as the party leader instead of keeping up their corporate march.

The idea of working from within the Dem party could work IF the party itself was Democratic, but it isn't. The Republicans are actually moreso. A third party is needed or we won't see the long term change that is needed.
 
I would say that you are right, Republicans are direct and stick to their facts. Republicans like to tell it like it is. Republicans like results, speed and accuracy. Republicans are likey to hold a sober view of reality and how things truly are and as such, in the event of war, Republicans got the edge on winning.

As some mentioned on this thread that both parties are acting the same damn play out and there really isn't a difference, in response to that, I would say that if both sides are acting the same your difference would be found in who they are targeting and their methods, as a Republican will do it in the open where everyone can see and target the villains, the other side will do it in the alley and target the heroes. It's all a matter of good and evil. And Republicans are generally on the side of good.
 
Business said:
I would say that you are right, Republicans are direct and stick to their facts. Republicans like to tell it like it is. Republicans like results, speed and accuracy. Republicans are likey to hold a sober view of reality and how things truly are and as such, in the event of war, Republicans got the edge on winning.

As some mentioned on this thread that both parties are acting the same damn play out and there really isn't a difference, in response to that, I would say that if both sides are acting the same your difference would be found in who they are targeting and their methods, as a Republican will do it in the open where everyone can see and target the villains, the other side will do it in the alley and target the heroes. It's all a matter of good and evil. And Republicans are generally on the side of good.
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How was that abortion of an ACA replacement being on the side of the good?

BTW, welcome to the forum.
 
Business said:
I would say that you are right, Republicans are direct and stick to their facts. Republicans like to tell it like it is. Republicans like results, speed and accuracy. Republicans are likey to hold a sober view of reality and how things truly are and as such, in the event of war, Republicans got the edge on winning.
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Sometimes. Other times they pass measures that will do the opposite of what the measure purports to accomplish, especially when it's environmental in nature.

As some mentioned on this thread that both parties are acting the same damn play out and there really isn't a difference, in response to that, I would say that if both sides are acting the same your difference would be found in who they are targeting and their methods, as a Republican will do it in the open where everyone can see and target the villains, the other side will do it in the alley and target the heroes. It's all a matter of good and evil. And Republicans are generally on the side of good.
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True Republicans are generally on the side of good. However, they're also nominees for the endangered species list. What we have no are the neo-cons, rarely are they on the side of good.
 
Business said:
I would say that you are right, Republicans are direct and stick to their facts. Republicans like to tell it like it is. Republicans like results, speed and accuracy. Republicans are likey to hold a sober view of reality and how things truly are and as such, in the event of war, Republicans got the edge on winning.

As some mentioned on this thread that both parties are acting the same damn play out and there really isn't a difference, in response to that, I would say that if both sides are acting the same your difference would be found in who they are targeting and their methods, as a Republican will do it in the open where everyone can see and target the villains, the other side will do it in the alley and target the heroes. It's all a matter of good and evil. And Republicans are generally on the side of good.
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I would say your definition of "Republicans" hearkens to the 1950s. The few honest, well-meaning public servants who remain are an endangered species. Endangered by progressives on the left, and neo-con racist fascists on the tea-party right. I think those who threaten from the left are FAR more honest and stick to the facts more than the neo-cons. In fact, I think the neo-cons are quite addicted to FAKE NEWS, Russian propaganda and outright lies to support their positions, while the progressive left is married to a utopian fantasy.
 
Business said:
I would say that you are right, Republicans are direct and stick to their facts. Republicans like to tell it like it is. Republicans like results, speed and accuracy. Republicans are likey to hold a sober view of reality and how things truly are and as such, in the event of war, Republicans got the edge on winning.
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That wasn't what he said. There's a difference between being open about your policy aims and being correct about the facts. It's frankly ludicrous to claim that the egregiously science-denying Republican party has a "sober" view on reality. You can also look at how their statements rate on Politifact.

I don't even think they are honest about their policy goals, since they opposed lots of things during Obama's terms which they have supported in the past and support now that Obama is out of office (e.g. military action in Syria). Opposing Obama was clearly their only goal at the time, whatever he wanted, but they didn't present their opposition that way. They made other excuses.

As some mentioned on this thread that both parties are acting the same damn play out and there really isn't a difference, in response to that, I would say that if both sides are acting the same your difference would be found in who they are targeting and their methods, as a Republican will do it in the open where everyone can see and target the villains, the other side will do it in the alley and target the heroes. It's all a matter of good and evil. And Republicans are generally on the side of good.
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Alley? Heroes? What do you mean?
 
blastula said:
As some mentioned on this thread that both parties are acting the same damn play out and there really isn't a difference, in response to that, I would say that if both sides are acting the same your difference would be found in who they are targeting and their methods, as a Republican will do it in the open where everyone can see and target the villains, the other side will do it in the alley and target the heroes. It's all a matter of good and evil. And Republicans are generally on the side of good.
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Alley? Heroes? What do you mean?
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Personally, I'm struggling with whether this is a parody or from someone jumped into the pitcher of Kool-Aid. Its always hard to tell with new members...
 
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