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Restrict aid if Israel annexes any of the West Bank?

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Not long after her primary victory, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Instagrammed about how her large victory margin made her very able to take political risks. She is now taking such a risk.

Ocasio-Cortez raises AIPAC ire over effort to tie Israel aid to annexation - POLITICO
A dozen Democratic lawmakers have signed onto a hotly debated letter spearheaded by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez that calls for placing conditions on aid to Israel if it moves forward with plans to unilaterally annex parts of the West Bank, according to a copy obtained by POLITICO.

The letter, parts of which were previously leaked to the media, was condemned Monday by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee as harmful to America’s interests before the statement or its signers were finalized.

“Should the Israeli government continue down this path, we will work to ensure non-recognition of annexed territories as well as pursue legislation that conditions the $3.8 billion in U.S. military funding to Israel to ensure that U.S. taxpayers are not supporting annexation in any way,” Ocasio-Cortez’s letter reads. “We will include human rights conditions and the withholding of funds for the offshore procurement of Israeli weapons equal to or exceeding the amount the Israeli government spends annually to fund settlements, as well as the policies and practices that sustain and enable them.”

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Progressives have been attempting to increase support for conditioning aid to Israel if the nation moves forward with annexation. ... Ocasio-Cortez’s office said groups such as IfNotNow, Arab American Institute, Jewish Voice for Peace Action and Demand Progress have thrown their support behind her letter.

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Along with Ocasio-Cortez, [Rashida] Tlaib, [Betty] McCollum and [Pramila] Jayapal, the letter was signed by Reps. Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, Raul Grijalva, André Carson, Nydia Velázquez, Bobby Rush, Jesús “Chuy” Garcia, and Danny Davis, as well as Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Bernie Sanders signs AOC's anti-annexation letter threatening to cut U.S. military aid to Israel - U.S. News - Haaretz.com
The letter is different in content and tone from a more moderate anti-annexation letter that was released earlier this month and signed by over 190 Democratic members of the House of Representatives. That letter explained opposition to annexation mostly through pro-Israeli arguments, and was signed by several high-ranking Democrats who are considered strong supporters of Israel and close allies of AIPAC, such as Rep. Ted Deutch (D-FL) and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD).
The letter itself, at Ha'aretz's site
 
If they have money to annex land that isn't theirs, they don't need our money.
 
There will not be a BDS version of this song anytime soon, without the payment processors (ahem) trying to stifle it

 
Time has past for hand wringing. The ones in power have enough support form their constituencies to git'rdone. Done deal.

Ethnic hatred has wrought the steel for this grab. What is needed is something like an internal movement to bring like peoples back together. Just as segregating peoples in South Africa generated revulsion to the idea of one group deciding for another, so might similar partition frictions result in similar feeling in the holy land.

All that making many islands does is exacerbate tensions. That coupled with external pressure to reform attitudes among those who are too close to the subject to see the solution should provide movement. What is being proposed in Israel is the reverse of integration of duchies into nations in Europe in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.

It happened with South Africa which is still a work in progress.
 
Time has past for hand wringing. The ones in power have enough support form their constituencies to git'rdone. Done deal.

Ethnic hatred has wrought the steel for this grab. What is needed is something like an internal movement to bring like peoples back together. Just as segregating peoples in South Africa generated revulsion to the idea of one group deciding for another, so might similar partition frictions result in similar feeling in the holy land.

All that making many islands does is exacerbate tensions. That coupled with external pressure to reform attitudes among those who are too close to the subject to see the solution should provide movement. What is being proposed in Israel is the reverse of integration of duchies into nations in Europe in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.

It happened with South Africa which is still a work in progress.

I remember when they were together: it was a bloody bloody. Terrorist attack a week. I think the sides are not compatible. A two state solution would probably be the best way to prevent war. But Israel continuing to take land makes this less likely also.
 

This publication that you referenced is interesting. Do you consider it to be a reliable communicator of fact and truth?

I read the article that you referenced and an admittedly random number of other articles in it.

I have the feeling that these articles including the one you referenced depend on some prior understanding between the author and the reader that I don't have. I can't tell for example, which you hope will be thwarted, the Congressional push to deny Israel US military aid or the ADL's support for Israel's annexation of more of the West Bank?

Another article that caught my interest was America's Political Prisoners. Most of the political prisoners that they list attended the infamous Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia in August of 2017. The first three were involved in the  Assault of DeAndre Harris by six men including the three listed as political prisoners by the National Justice website. The three were convicted of the crimes that they were charged with from video evidence and eye witness accounts. The assault was filmed by two different self-proclaimed journalists.

The three defendants claimed self-defense after Harris attacked a man, Harold Ray Crews, the head of North Carolina's League of the South. According to the Wikipedia article referenced above, "Interpretations of video footage differ on whether Crews used a flagpole to attack "another counter-protester" or Harris himself."

Harris was also arrested for felony assault for hitting Crews with a flashlight The charges against Harris were dropped to misdemeanor assault and battery which he was acquitted of after a bench trial. Two of the men who beat up Harris were never identified. The fourth man was also convicted but was not mentioned in the National Justice article as being a political prisoner.

The next two political prisoners were also charged from incidents that occurred at the Unite the Right rally. Both incidents involved clashes between the rally attendees and counter-protesters, but in one case the so-called political prisoners plead guilty and the other one pleads no contest to the charge. In neither case did the National Justice article mention these relevant facts.

The bottom line, I am not sure that you are being well served by the National Justice website. Looking at this admittedly small sample of the current articles in it the website is a long way from being a credible source for facts, rather they seem to be appealing to the straight, white male grievance that has incited so much of neo-fascist reactionary political movement in the US by lying and omitting relevant, well established facts that contradict their political agenda.

All of that being said I did find some support for the story about the leaked ADL memo, but not in the mainstream media. In the article quoted as the source of the memo, another website that I know nothing about, Jewish Currents, entitled Leaked Memo Details ADL’s Annexation Response. This article, for what it is worth, characterizes the memo as planning for their response to the almost certainty* that Israel will annex 30% of the occupied West Bank rather than a conspiracy to enable the annexation. I find this much more believable than the conspiracy theory in the National Justice article because the Jewish Current article contains extensive quotes from the memo to support their interpretation of the memo, something that the National Justice article doesn't do in support of their conspiracy theory.

The point is a fine distinction I admit, but this is how political propaganda works, a grain of fact ultimately bent into a falsehood.


* now that the US has abandoned its long standing opposition to annexation thanks to Trump and the fundamentalist Christians who want to trigger the rapture, dooming we atheists to an eternity burning in hell.
 
Judea and Samaria are historically part of Israel. Furthermore, Arab Palestine was supposed to be (Trans)Jordan, with Jewish Palestine the cis-Jordan.
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Israel should get to annex Judea and Samaria with so-called "Palestinians" deported to Jordan.
 
I agree on restricting aid. Netanyahu has been embolden by Trump. We all knew it already but Netanyahu made it explicit. He will annex any land deemed in the interest of Israel. Israel is long past playing the victim.

The problem is Christian conservatives. Starting in the 90s Christians began to drop anti Semitism for a prophesy that the second coming is predicated on the rise of Israel. Rebuilding of the temple.
 
Judea and Samaria are historically part of Israel. Furthermore, Arab Palestine was supposed to be (Trans)Jordan, with Jewish Palestine the cis-Jordan.
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Israel should get to annex Judea and Samaria with so-called "Palestinians" deported to Jordan.
You know that map is total bullshit, right? There never was a time when all of Cisjordan was officially referred to as "Jewish Palestine". Not in 1922, not before, and not after that.

You also realize that Jordan effectively only looks big- most of its area is desert.

And as to deporting several million people into a small desert country, that already hosts a couple million each of Syrian and Palestinian refugees, on what basis, exactly? And why would Jordan accept that?
 
The letter is on AOC's Congressional site: Microsoft Word - Letter to Pompeo june 30 1020am.docx - LettertoPompeoFinal.pdf
We write to you to express our deep concern over the planned annexation of occupied Palestinian territory by the government of Israel. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said annexation could begin as early as July 1, 2020. Should the Israeli government move forward with these plans, they would actively harm prospects for a future in which all Israelis and Palestinians can live with full equality, human rights and dignity, and would lay the groundwork for Israel becoming an apartheid state, as your predecessor John Kerry warned in 2014. We call on you to take all necessary action available to reverse course on this proposal, which will cause more tension and conflict for decades to come. While the full scope and details of the plan are not yet public, Palestinians have overwhelmingly rejected the idea of annexation, and have understandably refused to participate in a process that is not grounded in a recognition of their national rights under international law.
 
Netanyahu and his backers are Zionists, not all Israelis are Zionists. Zionists justly the making of modern Israel seizing land owned by others based on the idea the land was god given.

All land that was occupied by Israel Jews 2000 years ago are today owned rightfully by Jews today.

Muslims I have known discriminate between Zionists which they oppose, and Jews who in general they have no problem with.

There has been a slow motion ethnic cleansing in Palestine. Arabs moved out for Jewish occupiers.
 
Judea and Samaria are historically part of Israel. Furthermore, Arab Palestine was supposed to be (Trans)Jordan, with Jewish Palestine the cis-Jordan.
View attachment 28443
Israel should get to annex Judea and Samaria with so-called "Palestinians" deported to Jordan.

All that's missing from that plan is the cattle cars.

BTW, when you talk about what Palestine was "supposed" to be, in whose view? The people of Palestine, the European immigrants, someone else...?
 
Judea and Samaria are historically part of Israel. Furthermore, Arab Palestine was supposed to be (Trans)Jordan, with Jewish Palestine the cis-Jordan.
View attachment 28443
Israel should get to annex Judea and Samaria with so-called "Palestinians" deported to Jordan.

Fine. Israel annex all Judea and Samaria. Hell, why stop there? Keep going into Jordan! But give all the people within your border equal rights. Pretty simple.
 
Netanyahu and his backers are Zionists, not all Israelis are Zionists. Zionists justly the making of modern Israel seizing land owned by others based on the idea the land was god given.

All land that was occupied by Israel Jews 2000 years ago are today owned rightfully by Jews today.

Muslims I have known discriminate between Zionists which they oppose, and Jews who in general they have no problem with.

There has been a slow motion ethnic cleansing in Palestine. Arabs moved out for Jewish occupiers.

Certainly there are some religious Zionists. But Zionism really was started under the concept that if Jews had a homeland, then they wouldn't be the most hated people. The theory is that they are hated and scrapgoated because people believe that they are scheming to take over the countries where they are the minority.
 
Judea and Samaria are historically part of Israel. Furthermore, Arab Palestine was supposed to be (Trans)Jordan, with Jewish Palestine the cis-Jordan.
View attachment 28443
Israel should get to annex Judea and Samaria with so-called "Palestinians" deported to Jordan.

All that's missing from that plan is the cattle cars.

BTW, when you talk about what Palestine was "supposed" to be, in whose view? The people of Palestine, the European immigrants, someone else...?

The Nazi analogy is not warranted, it is more complex.

Before the Intifada and Israel tightening the border Israelis and Palestinians freely crossed for work. Israel was a market for Palestinian goods.

The Intifada and terrorism as much as anything has worked against the Palestinians. The extremists essentially took over Gaza. There was a civil war between Hamas and Fatah. The Palestinians are screwing themselves more than anything Israel does.

Israel has admitted to institutional bias against Arab minority in its borders and has addressed it. There is religious freedom in Israel and there has been no mass exodus of Arabs.
 
Judea and Samaria are historically part of Israel. Furthermore, Arab Palestine was supposed to be (Trans)Jordan, with Jewish Palestine the cis-Jordan.
View attachment 28443
Israel should get to annex Judea and Samaria with so-called "Palestinians" deported to Jordan.

All that's missing from that plan is the cattle cars.

BTW, when you talk about what Palestine was "supposed" to be, in whose view? The people of Palestine, the European immigrants, someone else...?

The Nazi analogy is not warranted, it is more complex.

It is when Derec talks about forcing people out of their communities because of their ethnic and religious identity.

Before the Intifada and Israel tightening the border Israelis and Palestinians freely crossed for work. Israel was a market for Palestinian goods.

The Intifada and terrorism as much as anything has worked against the Palestinians. The extremists essentially took over Gaza. There was a civil war between Hamas and Fatah. The Palestinians are screwing themselves more than anything Israel does.

Before there was a British Mandate the population of Palestine was roughly 10% Jewish, 30% Christian, and 60% Muslim.They were a single indigenous Semitic population with three major faith groups, not three separate peoples. They all moved about freely and there was a market for their goods both within Palestine and in Europe.

Twenty five years later when the State of Israel declared its existence, the population was roughly 30% Jewish due to a huge influx of mostly illegal European immigrants. Derec says the Jews were 'supposed' to get all of the land west of the Jordan River. As it was, they got more than half of it, mostly by driving out the indigenous people and seizing it at gunpoint. This was not random. It was done according to plans developed by the Jewish Agency for Palestine in the 1930s and early 1940s.

Make no mistake, ethnic cleansing was the plan all along. Derec is saying Israel should finish the job. And we all know where that kind of thinking leads.
 
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The Nazi analogy is not warranted, it is more complex.

It is when Derec talks about forcing people out of their communities because of their ethnic and religious identity.

Before the Intifada and Israel tightening the border Israelis and Palestinians freely crossed for work. Israel was a market for Palestinian goods.

The Intifada and terrorism as much as anything has worked against the Palestinians. The extremists essentially took over Gaza. There was a civil war between Hamas and Fatah. The Palestinians are screwing themselves more than anything Israel does.

Before there was a British Mandate the population of Palestine was roughly 10% Jewish, 30% Christian, and 60% Muslim.They were a single indigenous Semitic population with three major faith groups, not three separate peoples. They all moved about freely and there was a market for their goods both within Palestine and in Europe.

Twenty five years later when the State of Israel declared its existence, the population was roughly 30% Jewish due to a huge influx of mostly illegal European immigrants. Derec says the Jews were 'supposed' to get all of the land west of the Jordan River. As it was, they got more than half of it, mostly by driving out the indigenous people and seizing it at gunpoint. This was not random. It was done according to plans developed by the Jewish Agency for Palestine in the 1930s and early 1940s.

Make no mistake, ethnic cleansing was the plan all along. Derec is saying Israel should finish the job. And we all know where that kind of thinking leads.

It is far too complicated to address in short posts. I do not agree with th settlemnts. However look at the region.

Jordan annexed th West Bank ending in civil war.
Fatah and Hams hada civil war.
The Lebanese Civil WarSyria
Saudi Arabia vs ran, goes back centuries
Egypt
Libya
Iraq


Even without Israel and our haphtara interventions the region would still be a mess. Arafat leftEgypt and went to Jordan to crer conflict. It is like he went to a college job fair and chose extremism.

Look at a wall map of the region. Israel is a tiny island of stability in a sea of chaos and violence.

A lot of aid has gone into Gaza and the West Bank. Where did it all go? Arafat died a rich man.

Israel formed before I was born. Looking at the Holocaust and other issued ft nothing else it is understandable that the Jews created a state and defended itself.

Where is the global outrage of Turkish treatment of Kurds? Egyptian purging of Coptics?

The outrage against Israel is elective morality. It is an easy target. The long standing undercurrent of anti Semitism is undoubtedly part of it.
 
Judea and Samaria are historically part of Israel. Furthermore, Arab Palestine was supposed to be (Trans)Jordan, with Jewish Palestine the cis-Jordan.
View attachment 28443
Israel should get to annex Judea and Samaria with so-called "Palestinians" deported to Jordan.

All that's missing from that plan is the cattle cars.

BTW, when you talk about what Palestine was "supposed" to be, in whose view? The people of Palestine, the European immigrants, someone else...?

The Nazi analogy is not warranted, it is more complex.

Before the Intifada and Israel tightening the border Israelis and Palestinians freely crossed for work. Israel was a market for Palestinian goods.

The Intifada and terrorism as much as anything has worked against the Palestinians. The extremists essentially took over Gaza. There was a civil war between Hamas and Fatah. The Palestinians are screwing themselves more than anything Israel does.

Israel has admitted to institutional bias against Arab minority in its borders and has addressed it. There is religious freedom in Israel and there has been no mass exodus of Arabs.

That's the whole point of the intifada--the Palestinians were growing too prosperous with peace and weren't suitable cannon fodder anymore.
 
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