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Retirement - from a social perspective

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Toni had an earlier thread about the financial aspects of retirement (link if you want to resurrect it). This one explores the social aspects.


When do you want to retire and how? Do you want to keep doing things to “keep fresh”? Do you want to move? Are you worried about finances? Will you retire concurrent with your spouse or romantic partner?
 
I recently returned to the private workforce after taking nearly 10 years off for eldercare, family care and public service. I had quit my job - the best I had ever had - back in 2007 ish when I was overwhelmed with a live-in invalid elder and two young children. It was the right choice, despite loving my work, I just couldn’t handle it plus daily care of my MIL sick with cancer plus two active kids under age 6 and I was showing signs of stress; missing appointments and deadlines, losing patience. While I was away from private work, I ran for public office and served (part time) as a town official (Chief operating officer and chief financial officer - i.e. “Mayor”). Care for MIL was followed by care for mother. But now the kids have their own licenses, MIL has passed away, and mother is in a nursing home.

Anyway, fast forward to 3 years ago and I decided to return to engineering. Got my new best-job-ever and anticipate retiring in about 7 years at earliest, which is 1 year after my husband plans to retire. He wants to be retired for at least a year before me so he can experience the “stay at home” life. I gave him the side-eye and asked if I should line up a sick and cranky 70-year old plus two toddlers so he can experience it correctly. LOL, anyway I’m fine with his desire, since I really love my job a LOT and don’t see myself feeling differently in the next 10 years.

Moreover, I am setting myself up to have some ongoing contract work after retirement as I gain skills in teaching some classes and workshops that the department has that are currently being taught by other retirees. One of them is what inspired me to think about “staying fresh” in retirement, and the articles that say those who keep working or who have strong social networks or volunteering end up with typically higher quality of life in retirement. This one fellow has been retired for 15 years, but still teaches 6-8 times a year for 1 week classes and works on material updates in between. I feel like this engagement is part of what keeps him so energetic and healthy and able to do what he wants physically and mentally in between teaching gigs.

So that’s my tentative plan. I feel like I might want to keep working full-time past my first official retirement possibility both because I like what I do and because it will keep me healthy (and money always helps). And even if I “retire,” I will likely want to keep working part time. My husband will be delighted to putter around the house doing improvement projects, and ride his bicycle all over the county every day. We do have some travel plans, but I think those can fit in with the above; we want to bicycle from Newfoundland to Key West once hubby retires. We live in a very affordable area in a very simple lifestyle, and our mortgage will be paid and the kids on their own by then, so aside from travel wishes, we could live on 1/4 of our current income without actually changing our lifestyle.
 
My industry marks ten year anniversaries in Special Weapons. It seems to me that a LOT of those that make it to their 50-year pin retire and die in short order afterwards. I suspect their job had been their life.
I want to avoid that. I am about to reach my 40-year pin (20 years in the military working on noclear missiles, 20 years working for the company that makes the fire control ststem i was a specialist in). I may retire at 49 years, to avoid the 50Y kids of death.
Financially, we will have my 401K, my military retirement, any Social Security that's left, and mty wife's retirement benefits.
Socially, i don't plan too much travel. Health issues abound. We will see grandkids as they appear, of course, some trips now and then, but mostly we look to finalky have time for all our projects and hobbies. And maybe finally have room, if the kids will EVER move out on their own....
 
I was forced into retirement by medical problrmd=s at 64. I pl=anned to never retire.

I sorely miss engineering but it was not everything. At the end of day it was a job to make money. . Among things my eyes are damaged making it near impossible to go back to work.

I heard a statistic about Boeing. Engineers who were career Boeing employees retiring in the 90s after a lifetime at boring had a lot of problems.

Suicide and alcoholism above the averages for two. No planning to replace the work.
 
and the articles that say those who keep working or who have strong social networks or volunteering end up with typically higher quality of life in retirement.

Retirement is far off for me, but I'll weigh in anyway.

The above is what concerns me. That and boredom. My personality doesn't jive with 'strong social networks'. I have a few acquaintances and decent friends, but for the most part I'm a lone wolf who has a hard time fitting in. And with the way things are going I don't envision this getting better. The people I'm closest to are my immediate family, after them my wife's immediate family, and after them my wife's friends. Once my parents go I'll be highly dependent on my wife for a social network. If she goes then.. ?

Then there's boredom. These days I struggle to make it through long weekends, so I'm not sure how I'll cope with unlimited free time (granted it's a long ways away so who knows how my perspective will change by then). Truth be told I like working, and I like being able to solve problems to better the life of my wife and I. When I don't have anything challenging to do in front of me I'm just kind of lost these days.

Financially things are less uncertain. I'm currently accruing years in a strong defined benefit plan, so every year I can suck out of it secures more wealth for us. If I was laid off in the next couple years it wouldn't be great, but if I can get 10 or so years out of it it'll be pretty helpful. I'll also be expecting a decent windfall from my parents, in addition to us having a good mortgage, and living in an affordable city. At this stage of our lives the big wild-cards are our health, and kids. If we manage to have two kids we'll have a lot less money, but will likely just end up working longer. If no kids, likely early retirement as we'll be quite wealthy.

So the big thing for my well-being in retirement will likely be my wife. If I end up out-living her I'll struggle. If she outlives me she'll have a great retirement with her siblings, while living off of my pension.
 
Certainly, I have not done my homework on the financial aspects of when to retire, but honestly the social/personal aspects are probably more confusing to me.

Related to both aspects, I worry that I shouldn't retire because I'm by far the main income earner in the family. I feel like I'm letting everyone down if I stop my income stream - especially before full retirement.

What you do for a living is so much of your identity. When you meet new people one of the first questions is "so what do you do?". To me "I'm retired" sounds like "I'm old". Saying "I'm a pharmacist" sounds more like "I'm still young enough to work and contribute to society". Maybe that's just my own hangup.

I'm always wishing I had time to organize my world and I never have the time (or the energy with only one day off) to do things. I'm not sure how long I'd be retired before I'd be bored (or kill someone, see next).

I really love my alone time. I do not like sharing the house with my spouse and daughter (29 and working). He does nothing all day when he's off work while home chores languish. I just paid someone to put down a kitchen floor that's been waiting a year and a half to be done (materials sitting in the house). Mind you, he is a teacher and has 2 months off every summer. Now he is threatening to retire in 3 years. He's 6 years younger than me and I'm not old enough to retire until about then. Gah.
 
When you retire you generally go mentally inactive. That's a bad thing.
 
Then there's boredom. These days I struggle to make it through long weekends, so I'm not sure how I'll cope with unlimited free time (granted it's a long ways away so who knows how my perspective will change by then). Truth be told I like working, and I like being able to solve problems to better the life of my wife and I. When I don't have anything challenging to do in front of me I'm just kind of lost these days.

I'm similar to you, rousseau. When I'm not working, I'm either doing something with my wife, or I'm doing something alone.

I'm also confident that my wife will out-live me, so I don't see a time when I'm completely alone.

But when I retire, I don't want to hang around the house and pester her, so I'll be taking up hobbies and interests. Things that I don't have the time for now, but will when I'm retired, whether my wife is still around or not. Occasionally she'll leave for a weekend, and then I wander around the house bored. But I won't be like that if I'm alone and not working for a long time. I could take community college courses and art lessons and join a choir and build kitplanes and learn to fly them. I'll be able to travel to the locations and in the methods that I want, not what she wants.

I also have no doubt that when I'm involved in activities, I'll meet people and be able socialize in ways that I don't now. Right now, I'm either with my wife, or I'm at work. Sometimes I'll make a friend at work, but then our careers inevitably take us in different directions, and we lose contact. But if I have a weekly game with a chess club, I'll get to know others with my interests and who also are not buried in work all the time.

I'm trying not to let my life when my wife is out of town for a week be a proxy for my life if she's gone for good.
 
This ^^^

My wife and I are enjoying retirement. We’ve sort of slipped into it. Four years ago I was working 20-25 hrs/wk from home at a good salary. That job evaporated for various reasons, and I switched to a job where I work about 8 – 12 hrs/wk, also from home, but not so great pay. I don’t do it for the money really, although the little bit extra I get buys treats here and there. We are comfortable financially and can even travel some.

Like some of the others who have posted, I am pretty much an introvert, if not a hermit. My close friends have either died or moved to other states, all but one. I do have an email thing going with two of them, and either occasionally talk on the phone or physically visit the one who still lives fairly close. I have avoided Facebook since I first set up an account quite a few years ago and was appalled at the amount of personal information people were putting online.

I hope not to outlive my wife, as due to my disabilities I rely on her greatly, for instance when we travel. By the way she still works one day a week, in retail, mostly because she has a great friend she can work with. We both have plenty to do when not pissing around with our jobs. She is more social than I, but still most evenings she stitches and watches a movie or show while I write, read, and occasionally watch some sporting event or other. We avoid parties and most social gatherings. We do attend some theater and concerts, and about twenty professional basketball games a year. We both volunteer some, she with Meals on Wheels and I with alcohol and drug awareness classes at the local penitentiary. We feel our lives are full and don’t miss our former jobs at all.
 
I'm similar to you, rousseau. When I'm not working, I'm either doing something with my wife, or I'm doing something alone.

I'm also confident that my wife will out-live me, so I don't see a time when I'm completely alone.

But when I retire, I don't want to hang around the house and pester her, so I'll be taking up hobbies and interests. Things that I don't have the time for now, but will when I'm retired, whether my wife is still around or not. Occasionally she'll leave for a weekend, and then I wander around the house bored. But I won't be like that if I'm alone and not working for a long time.

I'm trying not to let my life when my wife is out of town for a week be a proxy for my life if she's gone for good.

That's a good point.

I sometimes forget that my more anti-social tendencies are more of a capacity problem. Being introverted I don't have a lot of energy for friends after getting through our day to day tasks, and spending time with family.
 
Certainly, I have not done my homework on the financial aspects of when to retire, but honestly the social/personal aspects are probably more confusing to me.

Related to both aspects, I worry that I shouldn't retire because I'm by far the main income earner in the family. I feel like I'm letting everyone down if I stop my income stream - especially before full retirement.

What you do for a living is so much of your identity. When you meet new people one of the first questions is "so what do you do?". To me "I'm retired" sounds like "I'm old". Saying "I'm a pharmacist" sounds more like "I'm still young enough to work and contribute to society". Maybe that's just my own hangup.

I'm always wishing I had time to organize my world and I never have the time (or the energy with only one day off) to do things. I'm not sure how long I'd be retired before I'd be bored (or kill someone, see next).

I really love my alone time. I do not like sharing the house with my spouse and daughter (29 and working). He does nothing all day when he's off work while home chores languish. I just paid someone to put down a kitchen floor that's been waiting a year and a half to be done (materials sitting in the house). Mind you, he is a teacher and has 2 months off every summer. Now he is threatening to retire in 3 years. He's 6 years younger than me and I'm not old enough to retire until about then. Gah.

For myself, my identity has never been tied up with my job. Partly, I think this is a gender thing. In my observation, fewer women than men tie a great deal of their identities up in their careers or jobs. Partly, I think that various life circumstances worked out so that my own personal career ambitions were ...sacrificed seems too harsh:set aside more times than I had wished in service of my husband's career and raising children. We made large geographic moves in service of my husband’s career that really did make my own career ambitions impossible. Children did not arrive on a conveniently well mapped time schedule, and that, coupled with my husband’s career demands, especially the last move, put me in a position I had never expected to be in: long term stay at home mother with few job prospects. After my children were old enough to put together a meal for themselves and do basics such as their own laundry, I returned to school in a program I loved but the reality was that my choice was grad school or my marriage as my husband’s job in academia is less portable than say, being a physician or a pharmacist. And he had tenure which is rarely portable. In a practical sense, my job was the best option I had open to me, given the constraints of geography and the desire to preserve my marriage. I can’t complain about my employer or my compensation, but the actual work was boring, repetitive, and stifling in terms of any semblance of creativity or even flexibility. It was too rigid and too noisy a work environment and there was a long commute in harsh driving conditions 4-6 months of the year. I don’t miss the job and I feel rather bad that I don’t miss my coworkers—and will probably be faced with having to spend some time with one of my favorites and my least favorite coworker in the near future.

I always knew that I wanted to have children AND a career but saw no models for that in my life and did not anticipate the practical difficulties. I also over estimated my husband’s willingness and ability to set aside his own needs in order to give me the time and flexibility (while juggling 5 pregnancies resulting in 4 children) to follow the educational and professional path I had dreamed of. I don’t mean to sound harsh re: husband. I’m well aware (now that I’m no longer in the thick of it) that as a man, he had many cultural and societal forces weighing on him to be ‘the provider.’ We also did not live near either family, which seemed like not such a big deal at the time, but looking at women who achieved much, career wise, most had the support of extended family to fill in with child rearing. This, I think, is actually the way forward as a society. Rather than force people to work until they are nearly 70 (generally at a higher repay rate than newer younger employees) locking out younger people seeking to establish their own families and futures and trapping them longer in low paying jobs ( that will make it harder for them to retire), we need to make it easier to maintain multigenerational family units, if not under one roof, then nearby. It allows younger people to move forward in their careers without having to deal with extremely expensive and often difficult day care arrangements—or sacrifice the career of one parent. And it allows older adults to retire while they are still young enough to enjoy retirement, enjoy any grandchildren that might come along and still be well connected socially—and still work if desired.

Speaking for myself, so far retirement hasn’t been exactly as I had hoped. I had not as fully anticipated that our aging dog would struggle so much this past winter. That was short sighted if not downright stupid of me not to have really considered how much she was aging and how that timeline would go. I don't regret quitting my job. We got to spend a few good months together followed by some time of decline we finally could not slow, much less stop. But I had much more quality time with her than earlier and my continued working would have only made things for her and for us much harder. We'd been down this path before, a few times, so it wasn't a surprise. It just wasn't quite what I had expected or somehow forgot to think about. I just thought: it will make it easier when hubby needs to go out of town for meetings. And it did. When I quit my job, she was doing well for her age but her age was really old for her breed. We had to put her to sleep a month ago and so, for the first time in 40 years we have neither child nor dog to care for—and can be more spontaneous. In theory.

In reality, my father in law just received a terminal diagnosis and instead of traveling for recreation, I anticipate that most of our free time will be spent traveling to spend what time we can with this wonderful man. Don’t get me wrong: I am not complaining I at all. I am grateful that I got to spend more time with our dog in her final months. I am beyond grateful that without work demands, we can travel the 8 hrs. or so to spend time with my FIL and help out there without me trying to fit in aging dog care with my work schedule while sending hubby to deal with medical stuff on his own. Husband is still working but academia has the advantages of prolonged breaks which really helps.

So, in these unexpected ways and perhaps not so happy ways, my leaving my job has been a huge blessing. I'm very, very grateful.

Socially it was a bit of an adjustment to quit work. At my job, I typically had zero time to myself. And I mean zero. While I liked most of my co-workers, they are not people I would spend time with socially given a choice. Which I now have. However, I am fairly extroverted and married to someone who is fairly introverted living in a region known for being filled with introverts who mostly socialize with their biological family and friends from elementary school(with plenty of overlap). I’m something of a fish out of water, given that I have no family here, I’m neither church nor bar oriented so I’m kind of SOL. In my early years, I did tons of volunteer work and assumed I would again. I find myself a little perplexed at myself for not diving in again now. The reality is that I want different relationships than those and have come to the conclusion I’m going to have to work harder and differently to find what I want and need. When we first moved her, a large part of the reason I dove so hard into volunteer work was to find friends. This had worked very well for me before—genuine friendships grew out of shared volunteer work and similar life circumstances. But this state is a whole different introverted ball game. Here: volunteer relationships ended when the volunteer jobs were completed. It turns out they were more work friends than friend-friends. And former neighbors whose children played with mine and whose kids I looked after when they went to the ER or when I took them to the ER, holiday meals and baked goods and garden plants and coffee shared: Turns out we were neighbors and not friends. No more contact. I've accepted that. It broke my heart for a while but....I'm not blood and so..... So there is that. It’s disappointing to me and disappointing that it took so long for me to finally accept what I figured out my first month here 30 years ago: I’m a fish out of water here. I need to make my own pond and see what grows there. But I want to make it clear: I wasn’t getting my social or creative or intellectual needs met at work, so that’s not a loss. But I do have to invent my own way forward while at the same time providing the support and help my husband and his family need and deserve now.

On the other hand, I've had the chance to do more social things that have arisen spontaneously--I've attended some events and social gatherings and a wedding that I would have missed due to work. That's been really great.

I also am looking forward to being able to indulge in some of my hobbies and to attend to long deferred projects, etc. I have STACKS of books to read (and organize and donate--I've already donated or discarded 99% of my work wardrobe).

I will say that I wrestled hard and long with retiring a few years earlier than usual. It meant locking my husband into working for a few more years (although that’s what he had planned to do anyway) and will cost me some SS money. But I did the math and decided what would and would not make the difference to out long term financial health if I stayed or quit. In terms of my own health and well being, it was a no brainer. Quitting was the right thing to do. In terms of things like health insurance? We have good coverage through hubby’s employer. When I was working we had great coverage, as we covered each other with very good coverage. Seriously: after multiple surgeries, we were left with very little to pay. As it should be for EVERYONE.

I felt terribly guilty quitting but my husband did not and does not mind at all. Our marriage is less stressful, although my husband did have to learn to cope with me being around more on his 'days off.' We both like our separate interests and like to do some things together so that works.
 
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As Hercule Poirot liked to say, one must exercise the little grey cells. If you do not have something to occupy yourself you will deteriorate. It is like muscle atrophy. You have to work against it.

In the 90s it was brain plasticity. Regardless of age mental activity stimulates brain cell growth.As to men and work, a little testosterone supplement may work wonders for women ....
 
When you retire you generally go mentally inactive. That's a bad thing.

Loren, you missed your calling as a provocateur. I know you have much to say on retirement so ante up.

I am 65 and have been formally retired for 9 days. There are no plans to return to work though offers are outstanding, have worked very hard all my life and will enjoy the company of my loveliest wife and many friends.

The key is hobbies, and hobbies that encourage social interaction. Got no problem with that. My financial boss, i. e. wife, says all is very cool at that end.

If I have one worry it is that as my body ages I will become unable to enjoy doing the things that give me the greatest pleasure. But there are no plans to move, travel any more extensively, build a new home, take a permanent Florida vacation or the like. We love to dance so will up our activity there, also love to garden, belong a local conservancies, take long walks, mini vacations, and pet people's dogs as they come along.

As Toni said, my job was never my identity, rather a means to an end. The things I was passionate about never paid enough so I had to look elsewhere to feed those passions.

As Hercule Poirot liked to say, one must exercise the little grey cells. If you do not have something to occupy yourself you will deteriorate. It is like muscle atrophy. You have to work against it.

In the 90s it was brain plasticity. Regardless of age mental activity stimulates brain cell growth.As to men and work, a little testosterone supplement may work wonders for women ....

Much that I have read extols the benefits of physical activity to maintain the little grey cells, all other things being equal.
 
My husband was forced to retire at the age of 62, due to the shutdown of the plant where he worked as a manufacturing engineer. Nobody was willing to hire an older engineer and the only job he was offered was in a low paying technical position that required he work 50 hours a week. I told him to turn it down. He substitute taught for a few years until I retired. That pay was so low that it was almost like volunteer work. He has taken up cooking as a hobby and I am the one who benefits from his skill. He has never been happier in his life

I retired at age 68 from a 42 year nursing career, but I must confess that I worked part time for at least half of my working life. I was alway much happier and less stressed when I worked part time because nursing is a very demanding stressful career, despite the job security and emotional benefits of caring for others. I don't miss work at all, but I do miss caring for others. I have a couple of friends that need my help and my emotional support. That has filled in my need to care for others. I also continue to exercise at our amazing senior center. I've made many casual friends there, and I've met many women who have never benefitted from the wonderful life style that I've enjoyed. I love these people and since I have a huge collection of CDs, and I'm a big fan of soul music, I make lots of CDS for my black friends, and now I'm making some old rock and roll CDs for some of my older white friends. Almost nobody under 60 uses CDs anymore, but a lot of older folks do. Due to physical limitations of knee and foot osteoarthritis, I can't take long walks or do gardening anymore and I do miss those things. I read more and I'm never bored. In addition to interacting with friends at the center, I try to get together at least once a week, by inviting friends to dinner or treating one of my younger, poorer friends to lunch. As a mild introvert, this is enough social time for me. We both hate to travel, so we don't have to worry about having money for that.

I totally understand the fears of being the surviving partner, as my husband and I are still crazy about each other, consider ourselves best friends and spend most of our time together. We often joke about dying during sex, since our sex life has gotten even more active than it was while I was still working. Yeah! I'm bragging about that. I think having an active sex life is a very healthy thing. I realize some people don't have partners or have medical reasons that prevent them from being sexually active, but even cuddling, gentle massages and other types of affection are very important to keep a strong bond with a partner. Most older adults need some type of affection, even if it's just hugs from friends. I'm a hugger and so are most of my friends. I've read many articles on aging that suggest the having a social support network and affection are not only important in old age, but there is some evidence that it's also good for our cognition. But, all older adults will experience some cognitive loss, most of which is harmless and not related to developing dementia. Loneliness is now considered a risk factor for developing dementia and many older adults do feel isolated and lonely.

We live in a very low cost city, which we've grown to love over the 20 years we've been here. Living in the Bible Belt is not big deal for me, as I have atheist and liberal Christian friends who I value. It's fun if you have a sense of humor too. We paid off our mortgage about ten years ago, and we have no debt at all. It's very important to get rid of debt prior to retirement if there is anyway you can do that. Our primary source of income is SS, savings interest, stock dividends and a couple of very tiny pensions. We have a rather nice amount of savings, which should last us for the rest of our lives, assuming neither of us needs long term care or has excessive medical bills. Long term care isn't covered by Medicare, other than for very short stays for rehab. I've met a lot of people who don't realize that. But, we've always lived below our means and we still have more than enough material things. In fact, I'm constantly giving things away or filling up a box to take to Goodwill. It's always fun to give things to people who need them more than I do. Luckily, I have a needy friend who is about my size and we both have similar tastes, so she gets first offer when I have nice things to give away. Since we both hate to travel, we don't have to worry about having money for that. Instead we sometimes take day trips to nearby cities to visit museums, gardens etc.

I've kept my nursing license active for now, and I'm keeping up with my CEUs. Next time I will probably renew as "retired RN", unless I find a good volunteer opportunity. I'm trying to learn more Spanish. I met some Mexican immigrants who don't speak English and that motivated me to try to pick up more Spanish. In any event, it's probably a good brain game, even if I don't learn enough to communicate well. But, the last time I saw my new Spanish speaking friends, I was able to understand more of what they were saying. You can be retired and find all kinds of ways to stimulate your brain. Exercise is supposed to be very good for our brains too, so I do aerobics three times a week. That has kept me pretty fit. As long as I can tolerate the pain, I'm good.

As far as relocating goes, we gave it serious consideration two years ago. Our only son lives in Indianapolis and we have two young grandchildren. The problem is that we both hate cold weather, and we really don't like Indy. I've known people that relocate to be closer to family and then family rarely visits them. If I'm widowed and frail, I may be forced to move closer to my son. If nothing else, I may need help managing my money. But, for now, we are very happy where we are. My mother is still alive at 93, but my sister in NJ, insisted in taking her in, so while I would have loved to have been her caretaker, it was easier to let her stay in NJ and allow my sister to do the job. My mother has plenty of money since she and my father were always extremely frugal, and she gets a couple of nice pensions, so we won't have to worry about her running out of money. So, if my sister isn't working from home, she takes my mother to an adult day care center where she seems content. My mother retired at 64 and told me she never regretted it. Unfortunately, she now has dementia, but she was extremely healthy until 89.

I know people who say they will never retire, including my own sister. I'm glad I'm not one of them because I had no idea how satisfying retirement could be. I ran into a lady that used to be a bank teller at my local branch. She worked until she was about 75. I asked her if she was enjoying her retirement. Her answer was "Yes! I've never felt so free in my life". Everyone should at least make some retirement plans because none of us know when we may not be able to work. I personally love the sense of freedom that retirement has brought me.
 
As Hercule Poirot liked to say, one must exercise the little grey cells. If you do not have something to occupy yourself you will deteriorate. It is like muscle atrophy. You have to work against it.

In the 90s it was brain plasticity. Regardless of age mental activity stimulates brain cell growth.As to men and work, a little testosterone supplement may work wonders for women ....

The idea that doing things that stimulate the brain prevents dementia has pretty much been debunked. The two things that might help prevent or slow down the onset of dementia are physical activity and socialization. But, even those things are no guarantee that one won't eventually develop AD or another type of dementia. Living past the age of 85 is the biggest risk factor. Early onset dementia is genetically influenced. That's pretty much been proven, by many studies. I've had patients in their 40s and 50s with dementia who had very stimulating jobs etc. and advanced degrees.

Some of the other risk factors for AD are obesity, hypertension, heart disease and diabetes. But, I've known people with all of those risk factors who lived into their 90s before they started having symptoms. My husband's late grandmother is one of them. She watched tv all day long, and never learned to read, but she had numerous family members who visited her daily. She didn't get any physical activity due to several chronic diseases. I tend to think that all that socialization and her positive outlook might have helped her. Of course, that's just anecdotal.

The truth is that we still have very little understanding of why some people develop dementia while others with similar lifestyles don't. I remember a women with AD, who did cartwheels across the dining room just after she was admitted to the facility where I worked for 18 years. She was in her 80s and had always been very active. I've also known quite a few people, including my own mother, who never had problems until they lost a spouse or their closest friends. I can't help but wonder if it was the isolation that impacted my mother's cognitive deterioration.

There are at least five different types of dementia, and they likely are all the result of different problems. It's probably best not to obsess over it and just stay as active as possible, while establishing a good social life.
 
Not just dementia, The brain atrophies in a manner of speaking when not exercised. It is an empirical fact that stimulation can effect brain cell growth.

Use it or loose it applies to mental faculties as well as the physical body.

On this I speak from experience. When I got back to the forum after about two years in rehab I could barely put together a sentence.I see it around me in the place I am in. People who stay physically and mentally active are healthier and live longer. Those that do not can be observed deteriorating and dying. Death around here is a somewhat routine event.
 
Not just dementia, The brain atrophies in a manner of speaking when not exercised. It is an empirical fact that stimulation can effect brain cell growth.

Use it or loose it applies to mental faculties as well as the physical body.

On this I speak from experience. When I got back to the forum after about two years in rehab I could barely put together a sentence.I see it around me in the place I am in. People who stay physically and mentally active are healthier and live longer. Those that do not can be observed deteriorating and dying. Death around here is a somewhat routine event.

But, you had some serious health issues. I'm talking about dementia, which often occurs in otherwise healthy people. Oddly enough, soon after my last post, I picked up the Atlanta Journal which has a section on aging on Sundays. It listed physical exercise and socialization as the two known ways to lower the risk of dementia.

I started to post a lot more about this, but then I realized that we are derailing a thread about retirement, so with apologies to Rhea, I'll stop discussing dementia. Most people enjoy retirement without developing it, unless they live to a very advanced age. Then the odds rise significantly, regardless of how much you use your brain. Brain stimulation is healthy but it doesn't necessarily prevent dementia.
 
Not just dementia, The brain atrophies in a manner of speaking when not exercised. It is an empirical fact that stimulation can effect brain cell growth.

Use it or loose it applies to mental faculties as well as the physical body.

On this I speak from experience. When I got back to the forum after about two years in rehab I could barely put together a sentence.I see it around me in the place I am in. People who stay physically and mentally active are healthier and live longer. Those that do not can be observed deteriorating and dying. Death around here is a somewhat routine event.

But, you had some serious health issues. I'm talking about dementia, which often occurs in otherwise healthy people. Oddly enough, soon after my last post, I picked up the Atlanta Journal which has a section on aging on Sundays. It listed physical exercise and socialization as the two known ways to lower the risk of dementia.

I started to post a lot more about this, but then I realized that we are derailing a thread about retirement, so with apologies to Rhea, I'll stop discussing dementia. Most people enjoy retirement without developing it, unless they live to a very advanced age. Then the odds rise significantly, regardless of how much you use your brain. Brain stimulation is healthy but it doesn't necessarily prevent dementia.

Yadda yadda yadda. Stick to video games, soda, and potato chips and you will be just fine 30 years from now...

Use it or lose it applies to body and mind regardless of health or age. I see teens on the street who walked hunched over shuffling feet looking like they are old aged.

People deteriorate when older for chronic medical problems, a lack of mental and physical activity, or both.

If you are younger current medicine says if you want to get and stay healthy as you age start a physical exercise program and stay mentally active. Play chess, garden. People play poker or bridge religiously on a weekly basis. Read books, learn a language. Video games IMO are somewhat mindless. Endless repetition.
 
When you retire you generally go mentally inactive. That's a bad thing.

Loren, you missed your calling as a provocateur. I know you have much to say on retirement so ante up.

I am 65 and have been formally retired for 9 days. There are no plans to return to work though offers are outstanding, have worked very hard all my life and will enjoy the company of my loveliest wife and many friends.

The key is hobbies, and hobbies that encourage social interaction. Got no problem with that. My financial boss, i. e. wife, says all is very cool at that end.

Fully agreed--I'm talking about what tends to happen, not what should happen.
 
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