“Revolution in Thought: A new look at determinism and free will"

[pood]

I have initiated a private feedback thread about @peacegirl and her behavior here.

 

[peacegirl]

I have initiated a private feedback thread about @peacegirl and her behavior here.

Is that supposed to scare me? What the *(&#? You did that in the other thread. What a waste of your time.

 

[peacegirl]

but the big shots here are using this for entertainment. It is causing people to take this claim as a joke. This is horrible.

More ad hom and actual insults. When will this be dealt with? Do I have to report every single post when she breaks the rules? It would take me all day.

You'll do anything to get me thrown out because you have no other reason. Trying to use AI plagiarism against me is another one of your failed efforts.

I don’t give a shit about your AI plagiarism — in which you plagiarize a plagiarist.

You obviously do give a shit.

You have no clue what any of it means anyway. We all know that, including you. I am sick and tired of your tactics of baiting, goading, trolling, insults and ad hom, and I am going to report them.

If you’re sick and tired of what you call tactics of baiting, goading, trolling, insults, and ad homs, go report me. Either you woke up on the wrong side or you’re becoming a sore loser.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

For example, if one spacecraft is at 0.1 AU (about 15 million km) from the Sun and the other at 0.3 AU (about 45 million km), the light from the flare will reach them in roughly 50 seconds — a fraction of a minute, not a day.

You are correct that the light will only reach the first craft after 50 seconds which means it is as you wrote: "ALMOST instantly." 50 seconds is not instant, just almost instant. Therefore, you have conceded that once the object is bright enough you still cannot see it in real time--because you cannot see it for 50 seconds at that location.

Let's review the math anyway: the first craft is .1 AU from the sun (and therefore approximately so from the solar flare).

.1 AU = .1 AU x 93,000,000 miles / 1 AU = 9,300,000 miles x 1 second / 186,215 miles ~= 49.94 seconds ~= 50 seconds.

The first photons from the solar flare do not reach the craft until 50 seconds after the solar flare exists and so this is when the craft detects it.

Since you have now conceded the point that vision is not in real-time, there is no longer a need for further discussion.

Thank you and good bye.

 

[bilby]

Instant oatmeal is not really instant either.

Nor instant coffee.

The whole world is a LIE.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Instant oatmeal is not really instant either.

Nor instant coffee.

The whole world is a LIE.

Did you hear that on Real Time with Bill Maher?

 

[steve_bank]

Folks there is a break in the action as the referees sort out what happened ... here it comes from the head ref .. 'offsetting penalties, both Pood and Pg committed personal fouls, unforum like conduct. Play will resume on my whistle...twe-e-e-et'..

 

[pood]

For example, if one spacecraft is at 0.1 AU (about 15 million km) from the Sun and the other at 0.3 AU (about 45 million km), the light from the flare will reach them in roughly 50 seconds — a fraction of a minute, not a day.

You are correct that the light will only reach the first craft after 50 seconds which means it is as you wrote: "ALMOST instantly." 50 seconds is not instant, just almost instant. Therefore, you have conceded that once the object is bright enough you still cannot see it in real time--because you cannot see it for 50 seconds at that location.

Let's review the math anyway: the first craft is .1 AU from the sun (and therefore approximately so from the solar flare).

.1 AU = .1 AU x 93,000,000 miles / 1 AU = 9,300,000 miles x 1 second / 186,215 miles ~= 49.94 seconds ~= 50 seconds.

The first photons from the solar flare do not reach the craft until 50 seconds after the solar flare exists and so this is when the craft detects it.

Since you have now conceded the point that vision is not in real-time, there is no longer a need for further discussion.

Thank you and good bye.

She is too obtuse to realize that she just conceded the whole game. She actually thought what she posted supported her daft claims.

 

[peacegirl]

For example, if one spacecraft is at 0.1 AU (about 15 million km) from the Sun and the other at 0.3 AU (about 45 million km), the light from the flare will reach them in roughly 50 seconds — a fraction of a minute, not a day.

You are correct that the light will only reach the first craft after 50 seconds which means it is as you wrote: "ALMOST instantly." 50 seconds is not instant, just almost instant. Therefore, you have conceded that once the object is bright enough you still cannot see it in real time--because you cannot see it for 50 seconds at that location.

Let's review the math anyway: the first craft is .1 AU from the sun (and therefore approximately so from the solar flare).

.1 AU = .1 AU x 93,000,000 miles / 1 AU = 9,300,000 miles x 1 second / 186,215 miles ~= 49.94 seconds ~= 50 seconds.

The first photons from the solar flare do not reach the craft until 50 seconds after the solar flare exists and so this is when the craft detects it.

Since you have now conceded the point that vision is not in real-time, there is no longer a need for further discussion.

Thank you and good bye.

No Don2, that was what I found online. They would never say we see anything instantly because it sounds like there would be a gap between an object (in this case, the flare) and the lens. To challenge this, scientists would think you're nuts. That's what is happening right here, right now. How can they prove that the spacecraft instruments are picking up a delayed image?

Timing of Solar Flare Detection and Radio Wave Reception​

From a spacecraft orbiting the Sun, the instruments would not necessarily see a solar flare and receive its associated radio waves at exactly the same time — the timing depends on the nature of the flare and the spacecraft’s position relative to the Sun.

Why they might arrive together
A solar flare is a sudden burst of electromagnetic radiation (X-rays, extreme ultraviolet, radio waves) from the Sun’s surface. The electromagnetic radiation travels at the speed of light, so if the flare’s radio emission is produced at the same time and place as the visible/X-ray burst, and if the spacecraft is close enough to the Sun, the instruments could detect both almost simultaneously. For example, NASA’s Parker Solar Probe, which orbits within Mercury’s distance, can detect both the flare’s light and radio emissions in near real time Wikipedia+1.

Why they might not arrive together

• Radio emission timing: The radio waves are often generated later than the initial X-ray burst. They are produced when high-energy electrons from the flare interact with the Sun’s magnetic fields and surrounding plasma, creating synchrotron radiation or other processes. This can delay the radio signal by seconds to minutes compared to the X-ray burst European Space Agency.
• Propagation delay: Even at light speed, the distance from the Sun to the spacecraft introduces a delay. For example, at 1 AU (Earth’s distance), the delay is about 8 minutes; at 0.388 AU (Parker’s closest orbit), it’s about 5 minutes Wikipedia.
• Instrument sensitivity and processing: Instruments may not register the radio signal until after the initial light/X-ray burst, especially if the radio emission is weak or requires filtering.

Example from observation
The ESA Solar Orbiter has detected radio bursts from the Sun, with the “hockey stick” shape in its data showing the radio frequency drop as electrons move away from the Sun’s magnetic environment European Space Agency. In such cases, the radio signal is not instantaneous with the flare’s visible/X-ray onset.

Conclusion
If the spacecraft is very close to the Sun and the radio emission is produced almost immediately with the flare’s electromagnetic burst, the instruments could see them together. But in most cases, the radio waves arrive later due to the physical processes that generate them, so they would not be detected at exactly the same time.

 

[pood]

For example, if one spacecraft is at 0.1 AU (about 15 million km) from the Sun and the other at 0.3 AU (about 45 million km), the light from the flare will reach them in roughly 50 seconds — a fraction of a minute, not a day.

You are correct that the light will only reach the first craft after 50 seconds which means it is as you wrote: "ALMOST instantly." 50 seconds is not instant, just almost instant. Therefore, you have conceded that once the object is bright enough you still cannot see it in real time--because you cannot see it for 50 seconds at that location.

Let's review the math anyway: the first craft is .1 AU from the sun (and therefore approximately so from the solar flare).

.1 AU = .1 AU x 93,000,000 miles / 1 AU = 9,300,000 miles x 1 second / 186,215 miles ~= 49.94 seconds ~= 50 seconds.

The first photons from the solar flare do not reach the craft until 50 seconds after the solar flare exists and so this is when the craft detects it.

Since you have now conceded the point that vision is not in real-time, there is no longer a need for further discussion.

Thank you and good bye.

No Don2, that was what I found online. They would never say we see anything instantly because it sounds like there would be a gap between an object (in this case, the flare) and the lens. To challenge this, scientists would think you're nuts. That's what is happening right here, right now. How can they prove that the spacecraft instruments are picking up a delayed image?

Timing of Solar Flare Detection and Radio Wave Reception​

From a spacecraft orbiting the Sun, the instruments would not necessarily see a solar flare and receive its associated radio waves at exactly the same time — the timing depends on the nature of the flare and the spacecraft’s position relative to the Sun.

Why they might arrive together
A solar flare is a sudden burst of electromagnetic radiation (X-rays, extreme ultraviolet, radio waves) from the Sun’s surface. The electromagnetic radiation travels at the speed of light, so if the flare’s radio emission is produced at the same time and place as the visible/X-ray burst, and if the spacecraft is close enough to the Sun, the instruments could detect both almost simultaneously. For example, NASA’s Parker Solar Probe, which orbits within Mercury’s distance, can detect both the flare’s light and radio emissions in near real time Wikipedia+1.

Why they might not arrive together

• Radio emission timing: The radio waves are often generated later than the initial X-ray burst. They are produced when high-energy electrons from the flare interact with the Sun’s magnetic fields and surrounding plasma, creating synchrotron radiation or other processes. This can delay the radio signal by seconds to minutes compared to the X-ray burst European Space Agency.
• Propagation delay: Even at light speed, the distance from the Sun to the spacecraft introduces a delay. For example, at 1 AU (Earth’s distance), the delay is about 8 minutes; at 0.388 AU (Parker’s closest orbit), it’s about 5 minutes Wikipedia.
• Instrument sensitivity and processing: Instruments may not register the radio signal until after the initial light/X-ray burst, especially if the radio emission is weak or requires filtering.

Example from observation
The ESA Solar Orbiter has detected radio bursts from the Sun, with the “hockey stick” shape in its data showing the radio frequency drop as electrons move away from the Sun’s magnetic environment European Space Agency. In such cases, the radio signal is not instantaneous with the flare’s visible/X-ray onset.

Conclusion
If the spacecraft is very close to the Sun and the radio emission is produced almost immediately with the flare’s electromagnetic burst, the instruments could see them together. But in most cases, the radio waves arrive later due to the physical processes that generate them, so they would not be detected at exactly the same time.

Self-owning again, I see. Sweet.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

For example, if one spacecraft is at 0.1 AU (about 15 million km) from the Sun and the other at 0.3 AU (about 45 million km), the light from the flare will reach them in roughly 50 seconds — a fraction of a minute, not a day.

You are correct that the light will only reach the first craft after 50 seconds which means it is as you wrote: "ALMOST instantly." 50 seconds is not instant, just almost instant. Therefore, you have conceded that once the object is bright enough you still cannot see it in real time--because you cannot see it for 50 seconds at that location.

Let's review the math anyway: the first craft is .1 AU from the sun (and therefore approximately so from the solar flare).

.1 AU = .1 AU x 93,000,000 miles / 1 AU = 9,300,000 miles x 1 second / 186,215 miles ~= 49.94 seconds ~= 50 seconds.

The first photons from the solar flare do not reach the craft until 50 seconds after the solar flare exists and so this is when the craft detects it.

Since you have now conceded the point that vision is not in real-time, there is no longer a need for further discussion.

Thank you and good bye.

No Don2, that was what I found online.

That means you are taking others' work and attributing it to yourself.

They would never say we see anything instantly because it sounds like there would be a gap between an object (in this case, the flare) and the lens. To challenge this, scientists would think you're nuts. That's what is happening right here, right now. How can they prove that the spacecraft instruments are picking up a delayed image?

Because two different craft receive the light at different times. If one is .1 AU away and detects the flare at 50 seconds and the other is .3 AU away, they'd detect the flare at about 150 seconds.

 

[peacegirl]

For example, if one spacecraft is at 0.1 AU (about 15 million km) from the Sun and the other at 0.3 AU (about 45 million km), the light from the flare will reach them in roughly 50 seconds — a fraction of a minute, not a day.

You are correct that the light will only reach the first craft after 50 seconds which means it is as you wrote: "ALMOST instantly." 50 seconds is not instant, just almost instant. Therefore, you have conceded that once the object is bright enough you still cannot see it in real time--because you cannot see it for 50 seconds at that location.

Let's review the math anyway: the first craft is .1 AU from the sun (and therefore approximately so from the solar flare).

.1 AU = .1 AU x 93,000,000 miles / 1 AU = 9,300,000 miles x 1 second / 186,215 miles ~= 49.94 seconds ~= 50 seconds.

The first photons from the solar flare do not reach the craft until 50 seconds after the solar flare exists and so this is when the craft detects it.

Since you have now conceded the point that vision is not in real-time, there is no longer a need for further discussion.

Thank you and good bye.

No Don2, that was what I found online. They would never say we see anything instantly because it sounds like there would be a gap between an object (in this case, the flare) and the lens. To challenge this, scientists would think you're nuts. That's what is happening right here, right now. How can they prove that the spacecraft instruments are picking up a delayed image?

Timing of Solar Flare Detection and Radio Wave Reception​

From a spacecraft orbiting the Sun, the instruments would not necessarily see a solar flare and receive its associated radio waves at exactly the same time — the timing depends on the nature of the flare and the spacecraft’s position relative to the Sun.

Why they might arrive together
A solar flare is a sudden burst of electromagnetic radiation (X-rays, extreme ultraviolet, radio waves) from the Sun’s surface. The electromagnetic radiation travels at the speed of light, so if the flare’s radio emission is produced at the same time and place as the visible/X-ray burst, and if the spacecraft is close enough to the Sun, the instruments could detect both almost simultaneously. For example, NASA’s Parker Solar Probe, which orbits within Mercury’s distance, can detect both the flare’s light and radio emissions in near real time Wikipedia+1.

Why they might not arrive together

• Radio emission timing: The radio waves are often generated later than the initial X-ray burst. They are produced when high-energy electrons from the flare interact with the Sun’s magnetic fields and surrounding plasma, creating synchrotron radiation or other processes. This can delay the radio signal by seconds to minutes compared to the X-ray burst European Space Agency.
• Propagation delay: Even at light speed, the distance from the Sun to the spacecraft introduces a delay. For example, at 1 AU (Earth’s distance), the delay is about 8 minutes; at 0.388 AU (Parker’s closest orbit), it’s about 5 minutes Wikipedia.
• Instrument sensitivity and processing: Instruments may not register the radio signal until after the initial light/X-ray burst, especially if the radio emission is weak or requires filtering.

Example from observation
The ESA Solar Orbiter has detected radio bursts from the Sun, with the “hockey stick” shape in its data showing the radio frequency drop as electrons move away from the Sun’s magnetic environment European Space Agency. In such cases, the radio signal is not instantaneous with the flare’s visible/X-ray onset.

Conclusion
If the spacecraft is very close to the Sun and the radio emission is produced almost immediately with the flare’s electromagnetic burst, the instruments could see them together. But in most cases, the radio waves arrive later due to the physical processes that generate them, so they would not be detected at exactly the same time.

Self-owning again, I see. Sweet.

I didn't self-own anything. I gave the links that were included.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

For example, if one spacecraft is at 0.1 AU (about 15 million km) from the Sun and the other at 0.3 AU (about 45 million km), the light from the flare will reach them in roughly 50 seconds — a fraction of a minute, not a day.

You are correct that the light will only reach the first craft after 50 seconds which means it is as you wrote: "ALMOST instantly." 50 seconds is not instant, just almost instant. Therefore, you have conceded that once the object is bright enough you still cannot see it in real time--because you cannot see it for 50 seconds at that location.

Let's review the math anyway: the first craft is .1 AU from the sun (and therefore approximately so from the solar flare).

.1 AU = .1 AU x 93,000,000 miles / 1 AU = 9,300,000 miles x 1 second / 186,215 miles ~= 49.94 seconds ~= 50 seconds.

The first photons from the solar flare do not reach the craft until 50 seconds after the solar flare exists and so this is when the craft detects it.

Since you have now conceded the point that vision is not in real-time, there is no longer a need for further discussion.

Thank you and good bye.

No Don2, that was what I found online. They would never say we see anything instantly because it sounds like there would be a gap between an object (in this case, the flare) and the lens. To challenge this, scientists would think you're nuts. That's what is happening right here, right now. How can they prove that the spacecraft instruments are picking up a delayed image?

Timing of Solar Flare Detection and Radio Wave Reception​

From a spacecraft orbiting the Sun, the instruments would not necessarily see a solar flare and receive its associated radio waves at exactly the same time — the timing depends on the nature of the flare and the spacecraft’s position relative to the Sun.

Why they might arrive together
A solar flare is a sudden burst of electromagnetic radiation (X-rays, extreme ultraviolet, radio waves) from the Sun’s surface. The electromagnetic radiation travels at the speed of light, so if the flare’s radio emission is produced at the same time and place as the visible/X-ray burst, and if the spacecraft is close enough to the Sun, the instruments could detect both almost simultaneously. For example, NASA’s Parker Solar Probe, which orbits within Mercury’s distance, can detect both the flare’s light and radio emissions in near real time Wikipedia+1.

Why they might not arrive together

• Radio emission timing: The radio waves are often generated later than the initial X-ray burst. They are produced when high-energy electrons from the flare interact with the Sun’s magnetic fields and surrounding plasma, creating synchrotron radiation or other processes. This can delay the radio signal by seconds to minutes compared to the X-ray burst European Space Agency.
• Propagation delay: Even at light speed, the distance from the Sun to the spacecraft introduces a delay. For example, at 1 AU (Earth’s distance), the delay is about 8 minutes; at 0.388 AU (Parker’s closest orbit), it’s about 5 minutes Wikipedia.
• Instrument sensitivity and processing: Instruments may not register the radio signal until after the initial light/X-ray burst, especially if the radio emission is weak or requires filtering.

Example from observation
The ESA Solar Orbiter has detected radio bursts from the Sun, with the “hockey stick” shape in its data showing the radio frequency drop as electrons move away from the Sun’s magnetic environment European Space Agency. In such cases, the radio signal is not instantaneous with the flare’s visible/X-ray onset.

Conclusion
If the spacecraft is very close to the Sun and the radio emission is produced almost immediately with the flare’s electromagnetic burst, the instruments could see them together. But in most cases, the radio waves arrive later due to the physical processes that generate them, so they would not be detected at exactly the same time.

Self-owning again, I see. Sweet.

I didn't self-own anything. I gave the links that were included.

Those blocks of text do not come from the links and you clearly did not understand them because they contradict your claims.

 

[peacegirl]

For example, if one spacecraft is at 0.1 AU (about 15 million km) from the Sun and the other at 0.3 AU (about 45 million km), the light from the flare will reach them in roughly 50 seconds — a fraction of a minute, not a day.

You are correct that the light will only reach the first craft after 50 seconds which means it is as you wrote: "ALMOST instantly." 50 seconds is not instant, just almost instant. Therefore, you have conceded that once the object is bright enough you still cannot see it in real time--because you cannot see it for 50 seconds at that location.

Let's review the math anyway: the first craft is .1 AU from the sun (and therefore approximately so from the solar flare).

.1 AU = .1 AU x 93,000,000 miles / 1 AU = 9,300,000 miles x 1 second / 186,215 miles ~= 49.94 seconds ~= 50 seconds.

The first photons from the solar flare do not reach the craft until 50 seconds after the solar flare exists and so this is when the craft detects it.

Since you have now conceded the point that vision is not in real-time, there is no longer a need for further discussion.

Thank you and good bye.

No Don2, that was what I found online. They would never say we see anything instantly because it sounds like there would be a gap between an object (in this case, the flare) and the lens. To challenge this, scientists would think you're nuts. That's what is happening right here, right now. How can they prove that the spacecraft instruments are picking up a delayed image?

Timing of Solar Flare Detection and Radio Wave Reception​

From a spacecraft orbiting the Sun, the instruments would not necessarily see a solar flare and receive its associated radio waves at exactly the same time — the timing depends on the nature of the flare and the spacecraft’s position relative to the Sun.

Why they might arrive together
A solar flare is a sudden burst of electromagnetic radiation (X-rays, extreme ultraviolet, radio waves) from the Sun’s surface. The electromagnetic radiation travels at the speed of light, so if the flare’s radio emission is produced at the same time and place as the visible/X-ray burst, and if the spacecraft is close enough to the Sun, the instruments could detect both almost simultaneously. For example, NASA’s Parker Solar Probe, which orbits within Mercury’s distance, can detect both the flare’s light and radio emissions in near real time Wikipedia+1.

Why they might not arrive together

• Radio emission timing: The radio waves are often generated later than the initial X-ray burst. They are produced when high-energy electrons from the flare interact with the Sun’s magnetic fields and surrounding plasma, creating synchrotron radiation or other processes. This can delay the radio signal by seconds to minutes compared to the X-ray burst European Space Agency.
• Propagation delay: Even at light speed, the distance from the Sun to the spacecraft introduces a delay. For example, at 1 AU (Earth’s distance), the delay is about 8 minutes; at 0.388 AU (Parker’s closest orbit), it’s about 5 minutes Wikipedia.
• Instrument sensitivity and processing: Instruments may not register the radio signal until after the initial light/X-ray burst, especially if the radio emission is weak or requires filtering.

Example from observation
The ESA Solar Orbiter has detected radio bursts from the Sun, with the “hockey stick” shape in its data showing the radio frequency drop as electrons move away from the Sun’s magnetic environment European Space Agency. In such cases, the radio signal is not instantaneous with the flare’s visible/X-ray onset.

Conclusion
If the spacecraft is very close to the Sun and the radio emission is produced almost immediately with the flare’s electromagnetic burst, the instruments could see them together. But in most cases, the radio waves arrive later due to the physical processes that generate them, so they would not be detected at exactly the same time.

Self-owning again, I see. Sweet.

I didn't self-own anything. I gave the links that were included.

Those blocks of text do not come from the links and you clearly did not understand them because they contradict your claims.

I am using AI as fair use. I can't go to each website. Regardless, how could I find any info on a search engine for a claim that no one knows about, not even AI? Considering that radio waves and solar flares travel at the same speed, they cannot definitively prove that the instruments from the spacecraft aren't detecting both the flares and the radio waves in real time. This is problematic.

 

[pood]

I didn't self-own anything. I gave the links that were included.

Do you even know what self-own means? It has nothing to do with links.

It has to do with the fact that you are posting material that you think supports your claims, but instead contradicts them and supports us instead. And you don’t even notice it. That is the very definition of a self-own.

As to AI, it steals other people’s work off the internet and recombines the work as its own. It has no mind of its own, and frequently gives wrong answers. Now you are stealing from an algorithm that has itself stolen. The whole thing is disgusting.

Most disgusting of all is that you have no idea about the content you posted. You don’t know what it means. Had you known what it meant, you would have understood that it agrees with us and not you.

If you actually understood what you were talking about, you would be able to explain it IN YOUR OWN WORDS, which, unlike your interlocutors here, you never do, unless it is to write word salad that cannot even be parsed.

 

[pood]

Considering that radio waves and solar flares travel at the same speed,

Radio waves and solar flares do NOT travel at the same speed. Solar flares have mass, and therefore travel MUCH slower than radio, which is light. The electromagnetic radiation from the flares does travel at the speed of light, and thus takes time to get to our eyes or sensors, and thus we see the flares sometime as they occurred in the past.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

For example, if one spacecraft is at 0.1 AU (about 15 million km) from the Sun and the other at 0.3 AU (about 45 million km), the light from the flare will reach them in roughly 50 seconds — a fraction of a minute, not a day.

You are correct that the light will only reach the first craft after 50 seconds which means it is as you wrote: "ALMOST instantly." 50 seconds is not instant, just almost instant. Therefore, you have conceded that once the object is bright enough you still cannot see it in real time--because you cannot see it for 50 seconds at that location.

Let's review the math anyway: the first craft is .1 AU from the sun (and therefore approximately so from the solar flare).

.1 AU = .1 AU x 93,000,000 miles / 1 AU = 9,300,000 miles x 1 second / 186,215 miles ~= 49.94 seconds ~= 50 seconds.

The first photons from the solar flare do not reach the craft until 50 seconds after the solar flare exists and so this is when the craft detects it.

Since you have now conceded the point that vision is not in real-time, there is no longer a need for further discussion.

Thank you and good bye.

No Don2, that was what I found online. They would never say we see anything instantly because it sounds like there would be a gap between an object (in this case, the flare) and the lens. To challenge this, scientists would think you're nuts. That's what is happening right here, right now. How can they prove that the spacecraft instruments are picking up a delayed image?

Timing of Solar Flare Detection and Radio Wave Reception​

From a spacecraft orbiting the Sun, the instruments would not necessarily see a solar flare and receive its associated radio waves at exactly the same time — the timing depends on the nature of the flare and the spacecraft’s position relative to the Sun.

Why they might arrive together
A solar flare is a sudden burst of electromagnetic radiation (X-rays, extreme ultraviolet, radio waves) from the Sun’s surface. The electromagnetic radiation travels at the speed of light, so if the flare’s radio emission is produced at the same time and place as the visible/X-ray burst, and if the spacecraft is close enough to the Sun, the instruments could detect both almost simultaneously. For example, NASA’s Parker Solar Probe, which orbits within Mercury’s distance, can detect both the flare’s light and radio emissions in near real time Wikipedia+1.

Why they might not arrive together

• Radio emission timing: The radio waves are often generated later than the initial X-ray burst. They are produced when high-energy electrons from the flare interact with the Sun’s magnetic fields and surrounding plasma, creating synchrotron radiation or other processes. This can delay the radio signal by seconds to minutes compared to the X-ray burst European Space Agency.
• Propagation delay: Even at light speed, the distance from the Sun to the spacecraft introduces a delay. For example, at 1 AU (Earth’s distance), the delay is about 8 minutes; at 0.388 AU (Parker’s closest orbit), it’s about 5 minutes Wikipedia.
• Instrument sensitivity and processing: Instruments may not register the radio signal until after the initial light/X-ray burst, especially if the radio emission is weak or requires filtering.

Example from observation
The ESA Solar Orbiter has detected radio bursts from the Sun, with the “hockey stick” shape in its data showing the radio frequency drop as electrons move away from the Sun’s magnetic environment European Space Agency. In such cases, the radio signal is not instantaneous with the flare’s visible/X-ray onset.

Conclusion
If the spacecraft is very close to the Sun and the radio emission is produced almost immediately with the flare’s electromagnetic burst, the instruments could see them together. But in most cases, the radio waves arrive later due to the physical processes that generate them, so they would not be detected at exactly the same time.

Self-owning again, I see. Sweet.

I didn't self-own anything. I gave the links that were included.

Those blocks of text do not come from the links and you clearly did not understand them because they contradict your claims.

I am using AI as fair use. I can't go to each website. Regardless, how could I find any info on a search engine for a claim that no one knows about, not even AI? Considering that radio waves and solar flares travel at the same speed, they cannot definitively prove that the instruments from the spacecraft aren't detecting both the flares and the radio waves in real time. This is problematic.

Flares and radio waves do not travel at the same time. Regardless, the craft detect the flares at the different times consistent with expectation, not instant vision.

 

[DBT]

It takes a measurable amount of time to send signals back and forth to rovers on mars, etc. Which of course includes light. We see the planet as it was when the light was reflected from its surface. We see Mars as it was then, not now.

Wrong. Mars would be visible if it were bright enough and large enough to be seen by a telescope strong enough to detect it.

We see the sunlight that is being reflected from the surface of Mars, light which has travelled from the Sun to Mars and back to our eyes and brain. That is how we see Mars.

 

[pood]

It takes a measurable amount of time to send signals back and forth to rovers on mars, etc. Which of course includes light. We see the planet as it was when the light was reflected from its surface. We see Mars as it was then, not now.

Wrong. Mars would be visible if it were bright enough and large enough to be seen by a telescope strong enough to detect it.

We see the sunlight that is being reflected from the surface of Mars, light which has travelled from the Sun to Mars and back to our eyes and brain. That is how we see Mars.

And because we see Mars this way, its apparent location in the sky and its actual location can’t be the same. NASA must take this into account when launching probes to Mars. This was first explained to peacegirl at least 15 years ago.