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Robert Ailes Drama

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
Anybody else paying attention to the Roger Ailes - Gretchen Carson scandal? It's rather amusing in a grim way. Like the Cosby scandal, now many women are stepping forward to tell their seamy little tales of Roger Ailes' ugly sexual advances. I suspect Ailes will soon be history at Faux. But one wonders, what happens next? I don't see Faux getting better even without the Big Pig running things. But it gives me great schadenfreude to see these chickens coming home to roost. It all makes for a great break from the daily flood of disasters in the news.
 

Derec

Contributor
Anybody else paying attention to the Roger Ailes - Gretchen Carson scandal? It's rather amusing in a grim way. Like the Cosby scandal, now many women are stepping forward to tell their seamy little tales of Roger Ailes' ugly sexual advances. I suspect Ailes will soon be history at Faux. But one wonders, what happens next? I don't see Faux getting better even without the Big Pig running things. But it gives me great schadenfreude to see these chickens coming home to roost. It all makes for a great break from the daily flood of disasters in the news.

So-called "sexual harassment" is the most destructive, ridiculous and subjective thing ever concocted by radical feminists. Even a woman overhearing two men sharing a rather mild joke is enough to get a man fired these days (see Donglegate)

It's just a way to destroy male careers and give women multi-million dollar payouts.
 

Bronzeage

Super Moderator
Staff member
If Gretchen's story is real, it will be like Cosby's downfall. A dozen or more women will emerge with similar stories. That's the nature of this kind of thing. Men who abuse their power to obtain sex never stop at one.

If her story is a fabrication, all Ailes has do is say, "I'm 76 years old. What am I going to do with that?" and it all goes away.
 

laughing dog

Contributor
So-called "sexual harassment" is the most destructive, ridiculous and subjective thing ever concocted by radical feminists. Even a woman overhearing two men sharing a rather mild joke is enough to get a man fired these days (see Donglegate)
Sexual harassment is destructive to the victims. Just ask the women of Eveleth Mines (https://www.nwhm.org/blog/background-on-class-action-suit/).

BTW, in Donglegate, the complainer (a woman) also got fired. That omission is more telling than your dismissal of the idea of sexual harassment.
 

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/6-m...assment-including-one-who-was-16-at-the-time/

A former model, identified as 66-year-old Susan, says she was only sixteen when Ailes propositioned her when she attempted to land a spot on the Mike Douglas Show.

“Ailes took me into this big office and locked the door with a key. He reclined on a couch in a seating area under a map that had flags of all the cities they were syndicated in. He proceeded to pull down his pants and very gingerly pull out his genitals and said, ‘Kiss them.’ And they were red like raw hamburger,” she explained, stating Ailes grew angry when she refused, before she added, “I think he knew I was sixteen.”

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Yeah Derec, just a harmless lil ol' joke.
 

Harry Bosch

Contributor
Anybody else paying attention to the Roger Ailes - Gretchen Carson scandal? It's rather amusing in a grim way. Like the Cosby scandal, now many women are stepping forward to tell their seamy little tales of Roger Ailes' ugly sexual advances. I suspect Ailes will soon be history at Faux. But one wonders, what happens next? I don't see Faux getting better even without the Big Pig running things. But it gives me great schadenfreude to see these chickens coming home to roost. It all makes for a great break from the daily flood of disasters in the news.

Sorry, but he's a staunch conservative. This controversy isn't going anywhere......
 

Derec

Contributor
Sexual harassment is destructive to the victims.
Some can be. And it should be applied gender neutrally. But what radical feminists have wrought is ability for any woman to claim "sexual harassment" if she feels offended.

BTW, in Donglegate, the complainer (a woman) also got fired. That omission is more telling than your dismissal of the idea of sexual harassment.
She was only fired after her employer was subjected to DDoS attacks. She should have been fired because her actions were antithetical to her job (a so-called evangelist who is not supposed to antagonize developers). The guy should not have been fired because he did absolutely nothing wrong. But in modern, post Anita Hill workplace climate, men have to walk on eggshells. That is not a good development.
 

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
A former model, identified as 66-year-old Susan, says she was only sixteen when Ailes propositioned her when she attempted to land a spot on the Mike Douglas Show.
Why should we take claims from 50 years old seriously?


Because it demonstrates a decades long habit of bad behavior on Ailes' part. Why shouldn't we take her seriously? 10 women now have said Ailes sexually harassed them.
 

Ford

Contributor
Why should we take claims from 50 years old seriously?


Because it demonstrates a decades long habit of bad behavior on Ailes' part. Why shouldn't we take her seriously? 10 women now have said Ailes sexually harassed them.


Derec doesn't take claims from any woman seriously. As he said above, he thinks sexual harassment isn't real, and is just a way for women to make money.
 

whichphilosophy

Contributor
The problem here is when such cases come forward years later they are hard to prove.
Should we accept an accusation on the basis it was made, or dismiss it where it could possible be true.
There may well be true and untrue accusations. The defence may say that the person made it up to obtain payment. The prosecution would claim that this was a true event.
The court has to burden of determining whether these were true or not.
 

Derec

Contributor
Some can be.
So why did you write "So-called "sexual harassment" is the most destructive, ridiculous and subjective thing ever concocted by radical feminists" when you clearly acknowledge it can be a real problem?

Because these days it applies to SJWs like Adria Richards eavesdropping and then getting offended and calling security.

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Derec doesn't take claims from any woman seriously. As he said above, he thinks sexual harassment isn't real, and is just a way for women to make money.
Since they can win a lot of money by making these claims they have a vested interest in claiming they were harassed even when they weren't.
 

Ford

Contributor
Since they can win a lot of money by making these claims they have a vested interest in claiming they were harassed even when they weren't.

So in your mind, sexual harassment doesn't exist.

A woman gets pushed up against a car in the parking garage by her boss, and that's just harmless fun.
 

Derec

Contributor
So in your mind, sexual harassment doesn't exist.
No, but we should not take claims at face value without evidence. Especially since there is a vested monetary interest to lie. And especially when the claims are 50 fucking years old.

A woman gets pushed up against a car in the parking garage by her boss, and that's just harmless fun.
Unless there is a camera in the parking garage she could have just as easily made it up. Of course, surveillance cameras weren't prevalent in the 1960s.
 

laughing dog

Contributor
So why did you write "So-called "sexual harassment" is the most destructive, ridiculous and subjective thing ever concocted by radical feminists" when you clearly acknowledge it can be a real problem?

Because these days it applies to SJWs like Adria Richards eavesdropping and then getting offended and calling security.
In your SJW zeal, you made a false claim. And now, in your SJW zeal you claim Ms. Richards eavesdropped. She overheard something. That is not the same thing as eavesdropping which requires intent. If your case is so blatant, there would be no need for you to literally make things up.
 

Derec

Contributor
In your SJW zeal, you made a false claim. And now, in your SJW zeal you claim Ms. Richards eavesdropped. She overheard something. That is not the same thing as eavesdropping which requires intent. If your case is so blatant, there would be no need for you to literally make things up.
They were in the next row, talking among themselves. She was itching for something to get offended about. I say she eavesdropped.
 

Ford

Contributor

Yes.


You're saying - like you do with claims of rape - that women make shit up and any accusations of sexual harassment or rape are all lies.


You start with the premise that women are all liars, and go from there.
 

Derec

Contributor
You're saying - like you do with claims of rape - that women make shit up and any accusations of sexual harassment or rape are all lies.
I am saying that evidence should be required and that if you have a "he said she said" situation you should not presume that the woman in the one telling the truth.

You start with the premise that women are all liars, and go from there.
I am not. However, by always believing the woman you are saying that men are all liars.
 

Ford

Contributor
Just so we're clear:

Derec says all accusations of rape/sexual harassment are false.


He says that women who make such claims must be dismissed, because women in general are liars.

So-called "sexual harassment" is the most destructive, ridiculous and subjective thing ever concocted by radical feminists. Even a woman overhearing two men sharing a rather mild joke is enough to get a man fired these days (see Donglegate)

It's just a way to destroy male careers and give women multi-million dollar payouts.
 

Derec

Contributor
Just so we're clear:
The only thing that you are making clear is how much you suck at reading comprehension.

Derec says all accusations of rape/sexual harassment are false.
I never said that. But you seem to think they are all true, or should at least be presumed to be true, without any evidence.


He says that women who make such claims must be dismissed, because women in general are liars.
Ford says that women who make such claims must be believed, because men in general are liars.
 

Ford

Contributor
The only thing that you are making clear is how much you suck at reading comprehension.



So-called "sexual harassment" is the most destructive, ridiculous and subjective thing ever concocted by radical feminists. Even a woman overhearing two men sharing a rather mild joke is enough to get a man fired these days (see Donglegate)

It's just a way to destroy male careers and give women multi-million dollar payouts.


These are your words, Derec.


You're not fooling anyone.
 

Derec

Contributor
These are your words, Derec.
Yes, the words about the fact that "sexual harassment" has been broadened to such an extent that the very term is meaningless. Again, it includes women looking for things to be offended about predictably getting offended and then getting men fired.

You're not fooling anyone.
You are doing a good job fooling yourself.
 

Rhea

Cyborg with a Tiara
Staff member
Anybody else paying attention to the Roger Ailes - Gretchen Carson scandal? It's rather amusing in a grim way. Like the Cosby scandal, now many women are stepping forward to tell their seamy little tales of Roger Ailes' ugly sexual advances. I suspect Ailes will soon be history at Faux. But one wonders, what happens next? I don't see Faux getting better even without the Big Pig running things. But it gives me great schadenfreude to see these chickens coming home to roost. It all makes for a great break from the daily flood of disasters in the news.

I don't know if he'll soon be history. It took so long for Cosby's crimes to finally get to a court. Of course, many more people loved Cosby's work and reputation than do Ailes'. But yes, I'm glad it getting the attention of courts.

I agree that Fox won't necessarily fix things without him.
Wonder if a Limbaugh-level alert to advertisers would help.
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
Can we have one thread about rape or sexually harassment that stays with the OP and doesn't drift into yet another Derec 'radical feminist' derail fuckfest?!


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laughing dog

Contributor
Yes, the words about the fact that "sexual harassment" has been broadened to such an extent that the very term is meaningless. Again, it includes women looking for things to be offended about predictably getting offended and then getting men fired.
And you wonder why anyone would ever consider you might be a misogynist.
 

Derec

Contributor
And you wonder why anyone would ever consider you might be a misogynist.
Nothing misogynist about pointing out that the concept of "sexual harassment" has been broadened beyond breaking point.
Do you really agree that men should be fired every time a woman overhears something that offends her?

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Can we have one thread about rape or sexually harassment that stays with the OP and doesn't drift into yet another Derec 'radical feminist' derail fuckfest?!
Radical feminists are instrumental in the dysfunction of both how we handle rape cases and sexual harassment cases these days.
 

laughing dog

Contributor
Nothing misogynist about pointing out that the concept of "sexual harassment" has been broadened beyond breaking point.
Do you really agree that men should be fired every time a woman overhears something that offends her?
Ms. Richards did not demand anyone be fired. To my knowledge, no one is demanding that men should be fired every time a woman overhears something that offends her. To my knowledge, no one expect men should be fired every time a woman overhears something that offends her. Your ridiculous and sexist straw man simply adds to the perception of your misogyny.
 

Sea of red

Member
I know sexual harassment does exist but I also think we should be more skeptical of these claims. For one thing, society has a tendency to believe a woman over a man today. It seems when you're a man and a woman accuses you of a crime, you're guilty until proven innocent, and people will call for your head before all the facts are known.

Skepticism does not mean we assume all woman are liars. It just means we should wait until solid evidence is produced.

IMHO: I think Ailes is a pig. All you have to do is look at the anchor line-up. For fuck sake, it's not like Carlson, Kelly, Tantaros, and Guilfoyle are good at television; they are actually pretty dreadful when you listen to them. It's obvious Ailes hired them to sell conservatism by selling sex with it.

Carlson was a conservative bigot anyways. So fuck her if she loses.
 

untermensche

Contributor
they were red like raw hamburger

Simple.

All he has to do is prove his genitals don't look like raw hamburger.

I have a feeling that will be a problem for him though.
 

prideandfall

Veteran Member
Can we have one thread about rape or sexually harassment that stays with the OP and doesn't drift into yet another Derec 'radical feminist' derail fuckfest?!
Unfortunately, no.
because you people keep engaging him and have been doing so for years.

you know that you're not physically forced to respond to his idiocy, right? that it's totally your choice to keep replying to the shit he posts?
 

arkirk

Veteran Member
This case reminds me of a number of cases brought by attorney Gloria Allred. That attorney brought case after case against rich and powerful institutions and persons on behalf of rich and powerful women. Ailes made a logical assumption on this woman...she must be willing to prostitute herself...hell! she was working for HIM and his propaganda machine. The case reminds me of the rich woman that wanted admission to the exclusive (men only) California club. This woman however lost her job, but her actions in the course of her employment make it difficult for some of us to take her protestations too seriously. I still say...go get him girl!
 

Sea of red

Member
I honestly don't care.

She was an apologist for the network for years, and passionately defended Ailes from criticism. I don't forget all of the anti-gay, racist, pro-theocracy, attacks on 'liberalism', and otherwise ignorant and/or bigoted statements.

Carlson spent years attacking the left-wing and now she wants it's help.
 

marc

Veteran Member
Murdoch's kids want Ailes out, and are likely to use this case to do it. I'll be very happy if that happens. Don't think that FOX will suddenly become an actual news organization after that, but I think it will at least stop catering to the conspiracy theorists, and other extreme conservative elements.

As for proving her case... Heck, there are probably plenty of clips of Fox and Friends that would prove what kind of environment existed there, without having to go into what was going on behind the scenes.
 

Angry Floof

Tricksy Leftits
Staff member
Because it demonstrates a decades long habit of bad behavior on Ailes' part. Why shouldn't we take her seriously? 10 women now have said Ailes sexually harassed them.


Derec doesn't take claims from any woman seriously. As he said above, he thinks sexual harassment isn't real, and is just a way for women to make money.

Derec is a frightened little boy.

Also, more are coming forward as expected. http://www.npr.org/2016/07/11/48550...ign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20160711
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
It is a shame, really. What will Roger Ailes do with the rest of his life now that his career appears threatened? Of course, Fox News settled the open-shut case of harassment regarding Bill O'Reilly... and he still works there. He also hasn't managed to get Franken killed either, despite 'knowing' people.
Derec doesn't take claims from any woman seriously. As he said above, he thinks sexual harassment isn't real, and is just a way for women to make money.
Derec is a frightened little boy.

Also, more are coming forward as expected. http://www.npr.org/2016/07/11/48550...ign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20160711
Word is, Ailes may have recently converted to Islam, which makes all of these accusations automatically true!
 

Playball40

Veteran Member
I worked at a movie theater once. Our uniform was black slacks/pants. One day my boss took me in his office and told me that I was to wear the pants I was wearing that day every day as "they accented my sexy round ass" as he moved his hands across my butt. I was 14.

Derek - Sexual harassment or not?
 

Bronzeage

Super Moderator
Staff member
I worked at a movie theater once. Our uniform was black slacks/pants. One day my boss took me in his office and told me that I was to wear the pants I was wearing that day every day as "they accented my sexy round ass" as he moved his hands across my butt. I was 14.

Derek - Sexual harassment or not?

Harassment is in the eye of the beholder, so this would depend upon whether you welcomed the attention or not. That is one of the problems of this issue.

However, the law has no regard for your feelings when it defines your boss's action as sexual molestation of a juvenile.
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
I worked at a movie theater once. Our uniform was black slacks/pants. One day my boss took me in his office and told me that I was to wear the pants I was wearing that day every day as "they accented my sexy round ass" as he moved his hands across my butt. I was 14.

Derek - Sexual harassment or not?
Depends, was the guy a Muslim or black?
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
I worked at a movie theater once. Our uniform was black slacks/pants. One day my boss took me in his office and told me that I was to wear the pants I was wearing that day every day as "they accented my sexy round ass" as he moved his hands across my butt. I was 14.

Derek - Sexual harassment or not?
Harassment is in the eye of the beholder, so this would depend upon whether you welcomed the attention or not. That is one of the problems of this issue.
The age of 14 would seem to indicate that said buttocks should not have been touched. Nothing in their post indicated that they wanted their buttocks touched.
 

Bronzeage

Super Moderator
Staff member
Harassment is in the eye of the beholder, so this would depend upon whether you welcomed the attention or not. That is one of the problems of this issue.
The age of 14 would seem to indicate that said buttocks should not have been touched. Nothing in their post indicated that they wanted their buttocks touched.

That is the point. If the theater manager's action were brought to light, a charge of "sexual harassment" would be the least of his worries.
 

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
Just announced - Ailes resigns from Fox.
Poor guy, what is he going to do the rest of his life... with all that money he probably got in his severance package?

With this out there, may be hard to find a place to park his raw hamburger too.


Apparently, he gets a 2 year contract as a consultant with Faux.

And there are hints the Murdoch's want to transistion their Faux to more resemble their English Skynet operation that has toned down their far right philosophy to gain more listenership from more moderate and sensible people.

We shall see.
 
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