Roe v Wade is on deck

[Jimmy Higgins]

I can't wait for the GOP to run adds depicting botched illegal abortions from the 60s and then say they are trying to protect the lives of women.

 

[Gospel]

I think women will be heard loud and clear in the coming elections. I also don't believe the Supreme court will overturn Roe V Wade. The leak was probably from an over-excited clerk who thought it was wonderful news but now that the damage is done, Republicans will pay for it. Ya know, since they're mostly known for wanting to do away with abortion entirely (whether true or not). If the leak turns out to be the legit ruling OMG. the status of abortion will not be the only problem we'd have to address as a result.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think women will be heard loud and clear in the coming elections. I also don't believe the Supreme court will overturn Roe V Wade. The leak was probably from an over-excited clerk who thought it was wonderful news but now that the damage is done, Republicans will pay for it. Ya know, since they're mostly known for wanting to do away with abortion entirely (whether true or not). If the leak turns out to be the legit ruling OMG. the status of abortion will not be the only problem we'd have to address as a result.

It was 100 pages long! Unless Alito started penning this a while ago, that thing is pretty legit. And WashPo reports Roberts is in the minority (well he is a party of one in this, he likely wants to erase the viability line... somehow but keep Roe/Casey) and the majority is standing pat.

 

[lpetrich]

Dr. Jack Brown on Twitter: "BREAKING: In a brief re abortion, Supreme court Justices Amy Coney Barrett/Alito's Draft, said US needs a “domestic supply of infants” to meet needs of parents seeking to adopt — that those who would otherwise abort must be made to carry to term — giving children up for adoption." / Twitter
That's near the bottom of PDF page 34 of the 98 pages.


The leaked document is already having an impact on this years midterm Congressional elections.
Meet the Press on Twitter: "ICYMI: @JCisnerosTX says her Democratic opponent, Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), “could become the Joe Manchin of the House” due to anti-abortion stance.

“The last thing we want is to hold onto a slim Democratic majority and then have someone ... keep siding with Republicans.” (vid link)" / Twitter
They are running for TX-28, and Henry Cuellar is a longtime incumbent. He is one of the most conservative Democrats in the House, with a 2020 govtrack.us ideology score of 0.57 (0 = lib, 1 = con). He is also the last remaining Democratic opponent of abortion in the House. His fellow abortion opponent Dan Lipinski was primaried in 2020 by Marie Newman.


Looking in the Senate, Kyrsten Sinema is the most conservative Democrat at 0.68, and Joe Manchin second at 0.57. Of the Republicans, Lisa Murkowski is the most liberal at 0.57 and Susan Collins second at 0.61.

 

[Jarhyn]

Dr. Jack Brown on Twitter: "BREAKING: In a brief re abortion, Supreme court Justices Amy Coney Barrett/Alito's Draft, said US needs a “domestic supply of infants” to meet needs of parents seeking to adopt — that those who would otherwise abort must be made to carry to term — giving children up for adoption." / Twitter
That's near the bottom of PDF page 34 of the 98 pages.


The leaked document is already having an impact on this years midterm Congressional elections.
Meet the Press on Twitter: "ICYMI: @JCisnerosTX says her Democratic opponent, Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), “could become the Joe Manchin of the House” due to anti-abortion stance.
“The last thing we want is to hold onto a slim Democratic majority and then have someone ... keep siding with Republicans.” (vid link)" / Twitter
They are running for TX-28, and Henry Cuellar is a longtime incumbent. He is one of the most conservative Democrats in the House, with a 2020 govtrack.us ideology score of 0.57 (0 = lib, 1 = con). He is also the last remaining Democratic opponent of abortion in the House. His fellow abortion opponent Dan Lipinski was primaried in 2020 by Marie Newman.


Looking in the Senate, Kyrsten Sinema is the most conservative Democrat at 0.68, and Joe Manchin second at 0.57. Of the Republicans, Lisa Murkowski is the most liberal at 0.57 and Susan Collins second at 0.61.

Oh fucking hell it is exactly Handmaid's Tale.

 

[Copernicus]

I think women will be heard loud and clear in the coming elections. I also don't believe the Supreme court will overturn Roe V Wade. The leak was probably from an over-excited clerk who thought it was wonderful news but now that the damage is done, Republicans will pay for it. Ya know, since they're mostly known for wanting to do away with abortion entirely (whether true or not). If the leak turns out to be the legit ruling OMG. the status of abortion will not be the only problem we'd have to address as a result.

It was 100 pages long! Unless Alito started penning this a while ago, that thing is pretty legit. And WashPo reports Roberts is in the minority (well he is a party of one in this, he likely wants to erase the viability line... somehow but keep Roe/Casey) and the majority is standing pat.

I don't think that Republicans can stop themselves. They packed the court with lifetime appointments for justices on a mission to overturn Roe v Wade. They can't back out now without causing an uproar in their base of supporters. The next target will be contraception, but there may not be a majority on the Court that is willing to take it that far, especially after the angry reaction that this decision is going to bring down on the GOP. Too many Republicans pushed hard for this and never thought it would actually happen. Now they get what they wished for.

 

[steve_bank]

This is all predicable.

Republicans refused to have hearings on Obama late term SCOTUS nominees. Trump pandered to the Christian right by promising to appoint conservative judges with veiled reference to Roe v Wade. Christians overlooked Trumps corruption and immorality, some saying 'god works in mysterious ways'. Trump an agent of god.

Anyone who interpenetrated the recent conservative judges' nomination hearings to infer they would not overn Roe v Wade was not paying attention.

I personally did not like Jackson. She is the flip side. She refused to reject judicial activism in the cause of the left.

 

[Copernicus]

Dr. Jack Brown on Twitter: "BREAKING: In a brief re abortion, Supreme court Justices Amy Coney Barrett/Alito's Draft, said US needs a “domestic supply of infants” to meet needs of parents seeking to adopt — that those who would otherwise abort must be made to carry to term — giving children up for adoption." / Twitter
That's near the bottom of PDF page 34 of the 98 pages.

This is what a rogue Supreme Court looks like--justices who want to use their power to shape public policy rather than leave that up to the legislative and executive branches. What possible point of legal issue is she thinking about here? It has nothing to do with the interpretation of the Constitution let alone Roe v Wade. This has to do with her opinion about what to do with all of those unwanted pregnancies that women will be forced to carry to term.

 

[lpetrich]

Newsom seizes on threat to Roe vs. Wade in his reelection - Los Angeles Times

Two days after kicking off his reelection campaign, Gov. Gavin Newsom replaced his opening upbeat message about California with a dire warning that his highest-profile Republican opponent “stands with Donald Trump” and “wants to roll back abortion rights.”

It’s a pivot to a familiar strategy for the Democratic governor.

He's not just talking the talk.
Governor Newsom Signs Legislation to Eliminate Out-of-Pocket Costs for Abortion Services | California Governor - "SB 245 expands access to reproductive health care by eliminating out-of-pocket costs for abortion services covered by health plans"

Gavin Newsom on Twitter: "NEW: We are proposing an amendment to enshrine the right to choose in the California constitution.
We can’t trust SCOTUS to protect the right to abortion, so we’ll do it ourselves.
Women will remain protected here." / Twitter

Office of the Governor of California on Twitter: "California will not stand by as women across America are stripped of their rights.
With @SenToniAtkins and @Rendon63rd, we are proposing an amendment to enshrine the right to choose in the California constitution. #RoeVsWade (pic link)" / Twitter

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Dr. Jack Brown on Twitter: "BREAKING: In a brief re abortion, Supreme court Justices Amy Coney Barrett/Alito's Draft, said US needs a “domestic supply of infants” to meet needs of parents seeking to adopt — that those who would otherwise abort must be made to carry to term — giving children up for adoption." / Twitter
That's near the bottom of PDF page 34 of the 98 pages.

In context:

Americans who believe that abortion should be restricted press countervailing arguments about modern develop- ‘ments. They note that attitudes about the pregnancy of un-married women have changed drastically; that federal and state laws ban discrimination on the basis of pregnancy, that leave for pregnancy and child birth are now guaranteed by law in many cases, that the costs of medical care associated with pregnancy are covered by insurance or govern- ment assistance; that States have increasingly adopted safe haven laws, which generally allow women to drop off babies anonymously; and that a woman who puts her new- born up for adoption today has little reason to fear that the baby will not find a suitable home.

The last sentence footnotes what is cited above. I can't make sense of the footnote and what is Justice commentary or a direct quote. Regardless, the above is quite repugnant. Like McKinnon said, 'just do your 9', what's the big deal.

I like how insurance covers some of the costs, therefore, no problem. I'm surprised that don't consider payments for pregnancy and birth care to be speech and that abortion would inhibit that free speech.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This is all predicable.

Republicans refused to have hearings on Obama late term SCOTUS nominees. Trump pandered to the Christian right by promising to appoint conservative judges with veiled reference to Roe v Wade. Christians overlooked Trumps corruption and immorality, some saying 'god works in mysterious ways'. Trump an agent of god.

Anyone who interpenetrated the recent conservative judges' nomination hearings to infer they would not overn Roe v Wade was not paying attention.

Well, no, they did say it was settled law. They lied. That simple.

I personally did not like Jackson. She is the flip side. She refused to reject judicial activism in the cause of the left.

OFFS! Liberal judicial activism expands rights, ultra-conservative judicial activism gets "the pill" banned and women have to get illegal abortions and go to the hospital hemoragging.

Total flip side.

 

[lpetrich]

Pelosi just went after Newsom. She probably shouldn't have.

While appearing on CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday, Pelosi was told by host Margaret Brennan that "Newsom said Democrats have failed to target Republicans" on the issue of abortion. The House Speaker was then shown a brief clip of Newsom at a press conference stating, "Where is the Democratic Party? Where's the party? Why are we calling this out? This is a concerted, coordinated effort. And yes, they're winning. We need to stand up. Where's the counteroffensive?"

"Madam Speaker, why were pro-abortion rights Democrats outmaneuvered?" Brennan asked.

"I have no idea," Pelosi replied. "The fact is that we have been fighting for a woman's right to choose, and that is to choose. We have been fighting against the Republicans in the Congress constantly because the fact is they're not just anti-woman's right to choose in terms of terminating a pregnancy, but in terms of access to contraception and family planning and the rest, both domestically and globally. This is a constant fight that we've had for generations, decades, I should say in my case in the Congress."

She went on to say of Newsom, "I have no idea why anybody would make that statement unless they were unaware of the fight that has been going on."

What can she point to as defense of abortion by her party?

Here is the context of that quote that NP was shown by FTN:

"I felt this enormous sense of frustration, like where the hell's my party? Where's the Democratic Party? You guys paying attention to what's going on? It wasn't just the initiation of so much of this that came out of the private right of action and the actions in Texas, but all these other bills, that are just cookie-cutter bills that are being spun out in states all across the country, across a spectrum of issues.

GN intended this as a criticism of the likes of Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, and not NP or the House Democrats.

"These culture wars, where is the counteroffensive in the Democratic Party?" Newsom said. "Why aren't we waking up to that? And it's not an indictment, it's not about the leader of the House of Representatives, she's across the spectrum delivering, it's just not getting through the door in the Senate. The president is doing all he can to deal with a hundred different crises... I applaud him for all of that work as well. It's about us as Democrats doing a better job to coordinate a more disciplined counteroffensive and message across the spectrum."

Of any possible federal legislation, Newsom said, "We've seen this across a spectrum of issues, things getting stuck in Congress, I can't take anymore Manchins, I can't take it."

Last year in Virginia, Democratic candidate Terry McAuliffe didn't have any response to the Republicans' culture warring about critical race theory.

It's good that someone is willing to challenge the Democratic Party leadership's fecklessness.

 

[blastula]

Dr. Jack Brown on Twitter: "BREAKING: In a brief re abortion, Supreme court Justices Amy Coney Barrett/Alito's Draft, said US needs a “domestic supply of infants” to meet needs of parents seeking to adopt — that those who would otherwise abort must be made to carry to term — giving children up for adoption." / Twitter
That's near the bottom of PDF page 34 of the 98 pages.

Not sure why you would go to "body language expert" Jack Brown for breaking news, because what he said is not quite accurate. It's Alito's opinion, not Barrett's, and "domestic supply" comes from a footnote quoting from a CDC report, and to support his claim that "a woman who puts her newborn up for adoption today has little reason to fear that the baby will not find a suitable home."

Of course, that only matters for women who would consider adoption. Nothing wrong with not wanting to be a baby-donor charity for others. Worse to force someone to do so.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Pelosi just went after Newsom. She probably shouldn't have.

While appearing on CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday, Pelosi was told by host Margaret Brennan that "Newsom said Democrats have failed to target Republicans" on the issue of abortion. The House Speaker was then shown a brief clip of Newsom at a press conference stating, "Where is the Democratic Party? Where's the party? Why are we calling this out? This is a concerted, coordinated effort. And yes, they're winning. We need to stand up. Where's the counteroffensive?"

"Madam Speaker, why were pro-abortion rights Democrats outmaneuvered?" Brennan asked.

"I have no idea," Pelosi replied. "The fact is that we have been fighting for a woman's right to choose, and that is to choose. We have been fighting against the Republicans in the Congress constantly because the fact is they're not just anti-woman's right to choose in terms of terminating a pregnancy, but in terms of access to contraception and family planning and the rest, both domestically and globally. This is a constant fight that we've had for generations, decades, I should say in my case in the Congress."

She went on to say of Newsom, "I have no idea why anybody would make that statement unless they were unaware of the fight that has been going on."

What can she point to as defense of abortion by her party?

Here is the context of that quote that NP was shown by FTN:

"I felt this enormous sense of frustration, like where the hell's my party? Where's the Democratic Party? You guys paying attention to what's going on? It wasn't just the initiation of so much of this that came out of the private right of action and the actions in Texas, but all these other bills, that are just cookie-cutter bills that are being spun out in states all across the country, across a spectrum of issues.

GN intended this as a criticism of the likes of Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, and not NP or the House Democrats.

Those two voted to put up a Justice that would not have voted with the Alito draft.

"These culture wars, where is the counteroffensive in the Democratic Party?" Newsom said. "Why aren't we waking up to that? And it's not an indictment, it's not about the leader of the House of Representatives, she's across the spectrum delivering, it's just not getting through the door in the Senate. The president is doing all he can to deal with a hundred different crises... I applaud him for all of that work as well. It's about us as Democrats doing a better job to coordinate a more disciplined counteroffensive and message across the spectrum."

Of any possible federal legislation, Newsom said, "We've seen this across a spectrum of issues, things getting stuck in Congress, I can't take anymore Manchins, I can't take it."

It's good that someone is willing to challenge the Democratic Party leadership's fecklessness.

Fuck Newsom! And not in a 'oh he made me wear a mask, but not really, I hate him' sort of way, but in a, what is fucking wrong with him? Manchin isn't the reason Roe v Wade is about to get ax'd. Without Manchin, it could become a 6-2 conservative majority. Easy for Newsom to talk out in California. Manchin represents West fucking Virginia. This isn't liberal-territory, by a long shot. And we don't have 60 votes! Manchin can be a pain, but he isn't the reason why we aren't passing an abortion bill... and even if by some miracle that happened, it could be ruled unconstitutional because "it ain't in the Constitution, yee haw" - Alito. So fuck Newsom for calling out a Democrat Senator that gives the Democrat President a shot in hell of passing any legislation.

This could easily get off-topic, so I don't want to derail on third party and what not.

 

[TomC]

I think women will be heard loud and clear in the coming elections.

Women were heard loud and clear in the last several elections.
That's why Trump was in the White House. Women comprise a substantial part of the TeaPartiers. TeaPartiers vote.
End of story.

Doesn't matter how you think women should vote. "Democrats" women tend not to vote, "Republican" women tend to vote.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think women will be heard loud and clear in the coming elections.

Women were heard loud and clear in the last several elections.
That's why Trump was in the White House. Women comprise a substantial part of the TeaPartiers. TeaPartiers vote.
End of story.

Doesn't matter how you think women should vote. "Democrats" women tend not to vote, "Republican" women tend to vote.
Tom

Women as a whole, historically vote in favor of the Democrats, men in favor of Republicans. link

White people, now, there is a group to blame for the GOP winning.

 

[Gospel]

I think women will be heard loud and clear in the coming elections. I also don't believe the Supreme court will overturn Roe V Wade. The leak was probably from an over-excited clerk who thought it was wonderful news but now that the damage is done, Republicans will pay for it. Ya know, since they're mostly known for wanting to do away with abortion entirely (whether true or not). If the leak turns out to be the legit ruling OMG. the status of abortion will not be the only problem we'd have to address as a result.

It was 100 pages long! Unless Alito started penning this a while ago, that thing is pretty legit. And WashPo reports Roberts is in the minority (well he is a party of one in this, he likely wants to erase the viability line... somehow but keep Roe/Casey) and the majority is standing pat.

Yeah, 100 pages of trash logic, self-persuasion, and supreme casuistry.

 

[Gospel]

I think women will be heard loud and clear in the coming elections.

Women were heard loud and clear in the last several elections.
That's why Trump was in the White House. Women comprise a substantial part of the TeaPartiers. TeaPartiers vote.
End of story.

Doesn't matter how you think women should vote. "Democrats" women tend not to vote, "Republican" women tend to vote.
Tom

Previous elections =/= coming elections (which is what I was talking about).

 

[Derec]

Previous elections =/= coming elections (which is what I was talking about).

TomC is not wrong. There is not much of a gender difference in opinions on whether abortion should be legal. Appealing to the "war of the sexes" narrative, a feminist instinct, is not likely to be fruitful.

The whole "Women's March" was also a bad idea for this reason and others (including Islamists and racists as part of the leadership team being a big one).

 

[Derec]

White people[/URL], now, there is a group to blame for the GOP winning.

Always blame whitey for everything!
Dems are not at all at fault for pretty much abandoning the white working class. And still, in the post-Obama era, insisting that racial preferences should be upheld.