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Roger Stone Gets Convicted

Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Fox News is saying that the jury foreman posted something negative about Trump in social media and so the whole conviction should be thrown out.
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Well then... the jury foreman (McTurtle) said he'd never convict Trump, so that "acquittal" should be thrown out.
 
I bet he's going to be scared shitless in jail. He's got the prison police, Trump's mob connections, and THE BIKERS to fear. He's never going to talk...he'll end up being Epsteined most likely.
 
Any word on when he is supposed to report to the slam? I doubt he went directly to jail like most people do.

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ZiprHead said:
Any word on when he is supposed to report to the slam?
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Well, he's still asking for a new trial, right?

Be funny if he gets a new trial, and a new judge/jury give him the maximum, 50 years, for the charges, when he could have had 40 months.
 
LAW PROFESSOR SAYS THE CONSTITUTION PROHIBITS TRUMP FROM GIVING ROGER STONE A PARDON

From the moment President Donald Trump’s longtime friend and protege Roger Stone was sentenced to 40 months in federal prison last week on charges ranging from obstruction to witness tampering, speculation began regarding when Trump would be issuing a pardon to Stone.

But according to a noted law professor, the U.S. Constitution actually prohibits a pardon because the Founding Fathers anticipated such a scenario when they wrote the document that governs all of us as Americans.
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“Many scholars agree that once a president has been impeached, he or she loses the power to pardon anyone for criminal offenses connected to the articles of impeachment. Less noticed is that even after the Senate’s failure to convict the president, he or she does not regain this power.”

“Under Article II, Section II of the Constitution, the president is given the ‘power to grant reprieves and pardons for offences against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.’ Pardons are supposed to be used as acts of mercy. The framers thought of the pardon power as a ‘benign prerogative’—prerogative because it was mostly unchecked by courts or Congress, but benign because presidents would use it for the public good.

“But the framers knew not to place blind trust in the president to wield the power justly. That’s why they explicitly forbade a president from exercising the pardon power in ‘cases of impeachment.’ The clause prevents the worst abuse of the pardon power: a president’s protecting cronies who have been convicted of crimes related to the president’s own wrongdoing.”
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We know how this ends up. Trump not only pardons Roger Stone, he gives him the Medal Of Freedom AND appoints him as the new ambassador to Russia. Judge in the trial forced to retire, and the individual jurers all deported to counties battling the coronavirus.
 
“Many scholars agree that once a president has been impeached, he or she loses the power to pardon anyone for criminal offenses connected to the articles of impeachment. Less noticed is that even after the Senate’s failure to convict the president, he or she does not regain this power.”

“Under Article II, Section II of the Constitution, the president is given the ‘power to grant reprieves and pardons for offences against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.’
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Frankly, that looks like if Congress impeaches Kavanaugh, Trump can't pardon him right back onto the bench. Or, if they impeach Kavanaugh for a crime, Trump can't pardon that crime and make the impeachment go away.

And 'many scholars agree' is getting to be an alarm phrase to me. What does that mean, 99% of the experts in that field? Or 1% of experts in another field who feel strongly about this, their hobby?
 
Keith&Co. said:
“Many scholars agree that once a president has been impeached, he or she loses the power to pardon anyone for criminal offenses connected to the articles of impeachment. Less noticed is that even after the Senate’s failure to convict the president, he or she does not regain this power.”

“Under Article II, Section II of the Constitution, the president is given the ‘power to grant reprieves and pardons for offences against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.’
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Frankly, that looks like if Congress impeaches Kavanaugh, Trump can't pardon him right back onto the bench. Or, if they impeach Kavanaugh for a crime, Trump can't pardon that crime and make the impeachment go away.

And 'many scholars agree' is getting to be an alarm phrase to me. What does that mean, 99% of the experts in that field? Or 1% of experts in another field who feel strongly about this, their hobby?
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1) 99% of the experts in that field ... or
2) 1% of experts in another field who feel strongly about this, their hobby, or
3) The completely partisan trumpsucker (e.g. Dershowitz) appointed to distort the actual law to some never-intended meaning in order to insulate Trump from any impact.

I find that lately, it's probably #3.
 
Keith&Co. said:
“Many scholars agree that once a president has been impeached, he or she loses the power to pardon anyone for criminal offenses connected to the articles of impeachment. Less noticed is that even after the Senate’s failure to convict the president, he or she does not regain this power.”

“Under Article II, Section II of the Constitution, the president is given the ‘power to grant reprieves and pardons for offences against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.’
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Frankly, that looks like if Congress impeaches Kavanaugh, Trump can't pardon him right back onto the bench. Or, if they impeach Kavanaugh for a crime, Trump can't pardon that crime and make the impeachment go away.

And 'many scholars agree' is getting to be an alarm phrase to me. What does that mean, 99% of the experts in that field? Or 1% of experts in another field who feel strongly about this, their hobby?
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My understanding is that they simply cannot pardon themselves for crimes exposed by their own impeachment, is all... not that once impeached they lose the power to pardon others.
 
I think you are all kind of right on this, but I will have to explain that. I don't think Trump can pardon, say, Sondland or Giuliani if they were to be found guilty of something and that something were to be used in Trump's impeachment. That's extending things out a bit from what we traditionally have perceived as this restriction but it makes sense. And if experts say that was an intent of originality, then I'm for it because it makes sense and because it stops a dictatorship, not just that it is original intent. However, all that said, Roger Stone doesn't really seem to be a figure in Trump's impeachment. He would have been if the Democrats actually impeached over Russia, as opposed to merely Biden and Ukraine. And I would have liked that, but that didn't happen.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
I think you are all kind of right on this, but I will have to explain that. I don't think Trump can pardon, say, Sondland or Giuliani if they were to be found guilty of something and that something were to be used in Trump's impeachment. That's extending things out a bit from what we traditionally have perceived as this restriction but it makes sense. And if experts say that was an intent of originality, then I'm for it because it makes sense and because it stops a dictatorship, not just that it is original intent. However, all that said, Roger Stone doesn't really seem to be a figure in Trump's impeachment. He would have been if the Democrats actually impeached over Russia, as opposed to merely Biden and Ukraine. And I would have liked that, but that didn't happen.
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That's why the obstruction of Congress charge should have extended to ALL the obstruction of Congress that Trump has committed. The investigation should still be pending and the articles passed in ... around August-September, and sent to the Senate in late October.
 
Roger Stone Deposition Video

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/pptzks0x6wI[/YOUTUBE]

God, what an asshole.
 
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