Roof to be put to death in SC for the murders of nine parishioners at Emmanuel AME Church.

[AthenaAwakened]

I don't believe in the death penalty. I don't believe in state sanctioned murder and I don't believe that the state only convicts guilty people.

That being said, that does not mean I don't think there are people who deserve a killing. Dylann Roof deserves a killing. He did with malice of forethought murder nine people who were in the midst trying to reason with him and praying FOR HIM!

And when the state of SC makes a corpse of Brother Dylann, I will not weep, I will not moan. At least not for him. Like I said, he deserves a killing.

But the DP doesn't stop with the Dylann Roofs of the world and every execution of a DR makes it just that much easier to accept the death of the next inmate on death row, even if he or she has been wrongfully convicted.

And each execution, be the inmate guilty or innocent, send the message that it is OK for the state to kill its citizens, so long as the proper paperwork is filled out and proper procedures followed. I believe this is why we have so many police shootings of unarmed people. Because we have surrendered the determination of right to say who lives and who dies to the state.

So Dylann Roof will die at the leisure of the Governor of SC and the rest of us will go on living until those of us who come against the power of the State, don't.

 

[dismal]

I don't believe in the death penalty. I don't believe in state sanctioned murder and I don't believe that the state only convicts guilty people.

That being said, that does not mean I don't think there are people who deserve a killing. Dylann Roof deserves a killing. He did with malice of forethought murder nine people who were in the midst trying to reason with him and praying FOR HIM!

And when the state of SC makes a corpse of Brother Dylann, I will not weep, I will not moan. At least not for him. Like I said, he deserves a killing.

But the DP doesn't stop with the Dylann Roofs of the world and every execution of a DR makes it just that much easier to accept the death of the next inmate on death row, even if he or she has been wrongfully convicted.

And each execution, be the inmate guilty or innocent, send the message that it is OK for the state to kill its citizens, so long as the proper paperwork is filled out and proper procedures followed. I believe this is why we have so many police shootings of unarmed people. Because we have surrendered the determination of right to say who lives and who dies to the state.

So Dylann Roof will die at the leisure of the Governor of SC and the rest of us will go on living until those of us who come against the power of the State, don't.

It's not "murder" when it's legal.

Also, the apparently the feds no longer have the means to execute people so I'm not sure it will ever happen.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I don't believe in the death penalty. I don't believe in state sanctioned murder and I don't believe that the state only convicts guilty people.

That being said, that does not mean I don't think there are people who deserve a killing. Dylann Roof deserves a killing. He did with malice of forethought murder nine people who were in the midst trying to reason with him and praying FOR HIM!

And when the state of SC makes a corpse of Brother Dylann, I will not weep, I will not moan. At least not for him. Like I said, he deserves a killing.

But the DP doesn't stop with the Dylann Roofs of the world and every execution of a DR makes it just that much easier to accept the death of the next inmate on death row, even if he or she has been wrongfully convicted.

And each execution, be the inmate guilty or innocent, send the message that it is OK for the state to kill its citizens, so long as the proper paperwork is filled out and proper procedures followed. I believe this is why we have so many police shootings of unarmed people. Because we have surrendered the determination of right to say who lives and who dies to the state.

So Dylann Roof will die at the leisure of the Governor of SC and the rest of us will go on living until those of us who come against the power of the State, don't.

It's not "murder" when it's legal.

Also, the apparently the feds no longer have the means to execute people so I'm not sure it will ever happen.

I continue to be incredibly puzzled by this whole "lethal injection not working properly" thing. There doesn't seem to be any sort of statutory requirement in the constitution or in law as to the "correct" way to execute someone... and we have an entire field of medical science that has to be VERY careful not to ACCIDENTALLY kill their patients with the wrong dosage of painkiller.

So what the hell is going on? "Lethal injection" drugs? What, is there only one kind of drug you can inject into someone that will reliably kill them? Is there, like, some kind of "correct dosage" for this shit? Too little and he survives, too much and he gets spider powers? How hard can it be to calculate a reliably lethal dose of morphine?

If we're going to execute people at all, we should get creative with it. Strap a rope to his ankles and keel-haul him under an aircraft carrier (hell, maybe he'll survive! Sentence served!) Make him swim across the gulf of mexico with a porterhouse strapped to his ass. Have him sedated and use him for medical experiments. ANYTHING.

I don't believe in the death penalty. I don't believe in state sanctioned murder and I don't believe that the state only convicts guilty people.

That being said, that does not mean I don't think there are people who deserve a killing. Dylann Roof deserves a killing. He did with malice of forethought murder nine people who were in the midst trying to reason with him and praying FOR HIM!

And when the state of SC makes a corpse of Brother Dylann, I will not weep, I will not moan. At least not for him. Like I said, he deserves a killing.

But the DP doesn't stop with the Dylann Roofs of the world and every execution of a DR makes it just that much easier to accept the death of the next inmate on death row, even if he or she has been wrongfully convicted.

And each execution, be the inmate guilty or innocent, send the message that it is OK for the state to kill its citizens, so long as the proper paperwork is filled out and proper procedures followed. I believe this is why we have so many police shootings of unarmed people. Because we have surrendered the determination of right to say who lives and who dies to the state.

So Dylann Roof will die at the leisure of the Governor of SC and the rest of us will go on living until those of us who come against the power of the State, don't.

Total agreement here.

It may seem odd, but one of the (many) reasons I'm looking forward to seeing an age of human colonization in space is the return of the penal colony and/or exile as a form of punishment. We don't really practice exile anymore because the whole world has been colonized and claimed and there's nowhere for people to go except into somebody else's country, where they're basically just living on the lam anyway. I'd like to see the Dylan Roofs of the world tossed into a space capsule and dropped off on Mars somewhere with a shovel, an oxygen tank and a box of seeds. You're going to live the rest of your life -- such as it is -- in a little hole in the ground as far from the rest of civilization as physically possible. What happens to you after that is your own business.

 

[SimpleDon]

I don't believe in the death penalty. I don't believe in state sanctioned murder and I don't believe that the state only convicts guilty people.

That being said, that does not mean I don't think there are people who deserve a killing. Dylann Roof deserves a killing. He did with malice of forethought murder nine people who were in the midst trying to reason with him and praying FOR HIM!

And when the state of SC makes a corpse of Brother Dylann, I will not weep, I will not moan. At least not for him. Like I said, he deserves a killing.

But the DP doesn't stop with the Dylann Roofs of the world and every execution of a DR makes it just that much easier to accept the death of the next inmate on death row, even if he or she has been wrongfully convicted.

And each execution, be the inmate guilty or innocent, send the message that it is OK for the state to kill its citizens, so long as the proper paperwork is filled out and proper procedures followed. I believe this is why we have so many police shootings of unarmed people. Because we have surrendered the determination of right to say who lives and who dies to the state.

So Dylann Roof will die at the leisure of the Governor of SC and the rest of us will go on living until those of us who come against the power of the State, don't.

It's not "murder" when it's legal.

Also, the apparently the feds no longer have the means to execute people so I'm not sure it will ever happen.

According to Wikipedia the last person executed by the federal government was Louis Jones Jr. for kidnapping, rape and murder in 2003. As of 2010 there were 52 men and 2 women awaiting execution in the federal system.

The feds have the means to execute people but seemingly have lost the will to do it, like many, if not most states, not named Texas or Georgia.

 

[Sarpedon]

Yup, I'd be willing to spare Roof if it meant abolishing the death penalty for everyone. But as long as it is on the books, Roof is the absolute textbook case for who should get it. His crime is the worst imaginable, and should receive the heaviest punishment allowed. He'd be a danger to his fellow prisoners and the prison guards if he were given Life.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yup, I'd be willing to spare Roof if it meant abolishing the death penalty for everyone. But as long as it is on the books, Roof is the absolute textbook case for who should get it. His crime is the worst imaginable, and should receive the heaviest punishment allowed.

Yeah. There is no additional justice in executing Roof and I certainly don't get any glee or relief in him getting the death sentence, but if it isn't put forth in a case like this where we have no doubt as to the guilt and malice, might as well not have a death penalty.

 

[Elixir]

Yup, I'd be willing to spare Roof if it meant abolishing the death penalty for everyone. But as long as it is on the books, Roof is the absolute textbook case for who should get it. His crime is the worst imaginable, and should receive the heaviest punishment allowed.

Yeah. There is no additional justice in executing Roof and I certainly don't get any glee or relief in him getting the death sentence, but if it isn't put forth in a case like this where we have no doubt as to the guilt and malice, might as well not have a death penalty.

The only upside is that it probably costs less to to kill the little twit (even after all the appeals etc.) than to give him free food and housing for the next 50+ years.

 

[LordKiran]

I don't understand why people say Roof "Deserves" the death penalty. Why? Why do we execute people at all? Is it simply a means to satisfy the 'little people'? Personally I would get nothing out of his execution. It wont bring anyone back. It wont make anyone's pain go away. I can tell you what will happen if you kill him. You deny him the chance to 'see the light' and atone for his crime. This of course, doesn't bring anyone back either but it gives Roof the chance to spend the rest of his life in prison trying to put something back into the world which would probably be better than just ending yet another life, no?

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Yeah. There is no additional justice in executing Roof and I certainly don't get any glee or relief in him getting the death sentence, but if it isn't put forth in a case like this where we have no doubt as to the guilt and malice, might as well not have a death penalty.

The only upside is that it probably costs less to to kill the little twit (even after all the appeals etc.) than to give him free food and housing for the next 50+ years.

Actually, you'd be surprised how much it costs to kill someone. In most cases, the cost in man hours spent verifying that "Yes you are in fact guilty and deserving of the death penalty and we made extra special sure." is actually more than it would cost to incarcerate them for the rest of their lives. The kicker? We still get it wrong sometimes.

 

[SimpleDon]

It's not "murder" when it's legal.

Also, the apparently the feds no longer have the means to execute people so I'm not sure it will ever happen.

I continue to be incredibly puzzled by this whole "lethal injection not working properly" thing. There doesn't seem to be any sort of statutory requirement in the constitution or in law as to the "correct" way to execute someone... and we have an entire field of medical science that has to be VERY careful not to ACCIDENTALLY kill their patients with the wrong dosage of painkiller.

The death penalty laws in each of the various states do specify how the death penalty is to be done and most specify lethal injection by the three drug method to spare the convict pain. There are a number of other reasons that the various states have halted executing people besides "lethal injection not working properly."

• The drugs needed are becoming hard to get as drug manufacturers have refused to sell their drugs for this purpose.
• The medical boards in some states have refused to let medical professionals participate in executions.
• Death penalty statutes have been ruled unconstitutional for various reasons.
• The growing evidence of innocent people being put to death stopped at least one state, Illinois.
• Anti-Death penalty governors have issued across the board stays of executions for various reasons.

So what the hell is going on? "Lethal injection" drugs? What, is there only one kind of drug you can inject into someone that will reliably kill them? Is there, like, some kind of "correct dosage" for this shit? Too little and he survives, too much and he gets spider powers? How hard can it be to calculate a reliably lethal dose of morphine?

See above. The problem isn't in knowing the required dosage. And many different drugs can be used. One of the painless ways to die is by carbon dioxide poisoning, as any submariner or miner can tell you. And the victim provides the carbon dioxide. In a sealed space when the concentration of carbon dioxide exceeds 1%, the victims just go to sleep and die.

If we're going to execute people at all, we should get creative with it. Strap a rope to his ankles and keel-haul him under an aircraft carrier (hell, maybe he'll survive! Sentence served!) Make him swim across the gulf of mexico with a porterhouse strapped to his ass. Have him sedated and use him for medical experiments. ANYTHING.

I don't believe in the death penalty. I don't believe in state sanctioned murder and I don't believe that the state only convicts guilty people. ...

So Dylann Roof will die at the leisure of the Governor of SC and the rest of us will go on living until those of us who come against the power of the State, don't.

I didn't mean to edit the OP to make it seem that you agreed with ending the death penalty. I was simply trying to cut down on the number of words.

Total agreement here.

It may seem odd, but one of the (many) reasons I'm looking forward to seeing an age of human colonization in space is the return of the penal colony and/or exile as a form of punishment. We don't really practice exile anymore because the whole world has been colonized and claimed and there's nowhere for people to go except into somebody else's country, where they're basically just living on the lam anyway. I'd like to see the Dylan Roofs of the world tossed into a space capsule and dropped off on Mars somewhere with a shovel, an oxygen tank and a box of seeds. You're going to live the rest of your life -- such as it is -- in a little hole in the ground as far from the rest of civilization as physically possible. What happens to you after that is your own business.

I am convinced. You are crazy.

 

[TSwizzle]

The sooner the better. Pity they couldn't take him out the back of the court house and put a bullet through his skull after the verdict.

 

[SimpleDon]

Yup, I'd be willing to spare Roof if it meant abolishing the death penalty for everyone. But as long as it is on the books, Roof is the absolute textbook case for who should get it. His crime is the worst imaginable, and should receive the heaviest punishment allowed. He'd be a danger to his fellow prisoners and the prison guards if he were given Life.

If they put him in a privatized prison in the general population he would probably be dead in a matter of weeks.

 

[Sarpedon]

And I absolutely disapprove of that sort of thing. We put people in prison to rehabilitate them. Expecting them to murder someone while they are being rehabilitated sends mixed messages.

 

[TSwizzle]

And I absolutely disapprove of that sort of thing. We put people in prison to rehabilitate them. Expecting them to murder someone while they are being rehabilitated sends mixed messages.

Oh ffs, you can't rehabilitate Roof any more than Manson. He's off his fucking rocker.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And I absolutely disapprove of that sort of thing. We put people in prison to rehabilitate them. Expecting them to murder someone while they are being rehabilitated sends mixed messages.

Oh ffs, you can't rehabilitate Roof any more than Manson. He's off his fucking rocker.

Wouldn't that indicate he is unfit for trial?

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And I absolutely disapprove of that sort of thing. We put people in prison to rehabilitate them.

At least, that is what we try to tell ourselves.

 

[Elixir]

And I absolutely disapprove of that sort of thing. We put people in prison to rehabilitate them.

At least, that is what we try to tell ourselves.

We put people in prison so we can forget about them, without having to bear the guilt of having put them to death.

 

[dismal]

The feds have the means to execute people but seemingly have lost the will to do it, like many, if not most states, not named Texas or Georgia.

Well, true, Obama could just add him to the drone list.

 

[TSwizzle]

The feds have the means to execute people but seemingly have lost the will to do it, like many, if not most states, not named Texas or Georgia.

CA voted not only to keep the death penalty but speed it up. Giddy up.

 

[Mumbles]

That seems kind. I'd have put Roof in solitary for life.

 

[LordKiran]

That seems kind. I'd have put Roof in solitary for life.

I wouldn't as I consider that a form of psychological torture.

 

[Elixir]

That seems kind. I'd have put Roof in solitary for life.

I wouldn't as I consider that a form of psychological torture.

He'd probably be dead sooner if they gave him life in prison and DIDN'T put him in solitary...