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Russia is kicking NASA out of the International Space Station in 2020

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http://www.vox.com/2014/5/13/5714650/russia-just-evicted-nasa-from-the-international-space-station

On Tuesday, Russia announced that starting in 2020, it will no longer allow NASA astronauts on the International Space Station, in retaliation for sanctions levied by the US because of Russia's invasion of Crimea .

How can Russia bar American astronauts from a station that both countries own? Simple. Right now, NASA relies on Russian rockets to get its astronauts to and from space, paying them $70.7 million for each one-way ticket.
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Looks like the decision for NASA to scrap manned flights was an awesome one.

:golfclap:
 
The new Cold War would be the best thing to happen to manned space flight. Mars here we come!
 
I've always thought it was stupid to rely on Russia for the space shuttle program. There are certain things regarding which we should never allow ourselves to be reliant on Russia. One of them is the space program.
 
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Dream on Derec. A new cold war is not in our future. Just in case you haven't noticed Putin moved troops away from the border, called for negotiation, and said no more than 'that's nice' to the results of the mock election in east Ukraine. Why? Our tiny little sanctions accelerated his country's race through recession toward depression. Why that.

Russia fugged up they joined the west's integrated economic system as a very junior player.
 
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We rely on Russians because NASA absolutely refused to deal with the private space companies until these companies were quite well established and NASA had little other option.

Of course, NASA didn't actually kill off manned space flight. The Constellation program was coming along nicely until the successful PA-1 launch, at which time the Senate Launch System, I mean the Space Launch System was foisted on NASA by the senate. There are other space programs that are currently unmanned but are well established and with a few tests could be modified into manned programs. But NASA has been ordered to drop the other manned programs and start from scratch with the SLS.
 
ksen said:
http://www.vox.com/2014/5/13/5714650/russia-just-evicted-nasa-from-the-international-space-station

On Tuesday, Russia announced that starting in 2020, it will no longer allow NASA astronauts on the International Space Station, in retaliation for sanctions levied by the US because of Russia's invasion of Crimea .

How can Russia bar American astronauts from a station that both countries own? Simple. Right now, NASA relies on Russian rockets to get its astronauts to and from space, paying them $70.7 million for each one-way ticket.
Click to expand...

Looks like the decision for NASA to scrap manned flights was an awesome one.

:golfclap:
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And SpaceX won't have a man-rated booster by then???
 
ISS was a pure political project with almost no scientific goals at all. And since NATO, well mostly US decided to start a new cold war with Russia I really see little point in continuing this giant waste of money.
I think US need to keep their excellent space probes program going and Russia needs to try to create comparable one.
 
This isn't really the problem some might make it out to be. If need be, ESA could quite quickly convert it's ATV for manned flight; and that could hold us over until NASA/ESA get Orion up and running.
 
You can not blame this one on Obama. The shuttle was extended past its intended life and previous administration did little on a replacement.


The decision was to privatize the operations. Previously NASA was the prime contractor contracting outthe designs.


To date I believe two companies are inthe final running. Unmanned capsules have been demonstrated resupplying the ISS. The next phase will be manned flight.


It was the right decision. If there is any hope of opening up space travel beginning with Low Earth Orbit it has to be from private enterprise. Economically self supporting.

The current privatization efforts istraditional govt seed money. You could say the original govtcontracts for air mail was a major stimulus in private aviation.


Leave NASA to do what it does best. Oneoff missions like Mars rovers, space telescopes, and space probes.


Racket science is no longer 'rocket science'.

Note the Air Force quietly developed an unmanned scaled down version of the shuttle, nad it is not known if it has a manned capacity.

NASA is far too inefficient and bureaucratic to support space commercialization.






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(spacecraft)


'…Orion Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle(MPCV) is a planned, beyond-low Earth orbit (LEO) manned spacecraftthat is being built by Lockheed Martin for NASA, and Astrium for theEuropean Space Agency[6] for crewed missions to the Moon, asteroidsand Mars...




The MPCV is developed for crewedmissions to the Moon, to an asteroid, and Mars. It is also a backupvehicle for cargo and crewed missions to the International SpaceStation. It is intended to be launched by the Space LaunchSystem.[7][14] A modified Advanced Crew Escape Suit is planned to beworn by the crew during the launch and re-entry of the mission...'


If you read the link you will observe govt programs in action. Rather than a solid dedicated target, the mission and scope varies and increases over time. When I worked inthe defense industry in the 80s it was a common practice to low bid a project knowing that money would be made in the inevitable project changes and scope creepage.
 
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