another respsonse you could have chosen would have been, "I don't know". It's ok not to know things... everyone does it.
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another respsonse you could have chosen would have been, "I don't know". It's ok not to know things... everyone does it.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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The Roger Stone trial has begun today.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-college-basketball-5-things-know/4153181002/
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So DAY #1 was a real shitshow. They will do jury selection for a few days. Stone's lawyers are objecting to Democrats or govt employees on the jury. What a bunch of douchebags. Then, Stone engages in theatrics pretending to be sick with "food poisoning." He got to leave. Also, some guy passed out. Several more days of this crap and then the trial will actually begin. I guess? Summary of the day:
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/05/roger-stone-trial-opens-065991
I should also note that the charges against Stone are making false statements and obstruction. He never really admitted anything to Mueller or ratted out Trump. He just was caught lying and contradicting himself over the whole WikiLeaks etc thing. And he threatened a witness.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/05/roger-stone-trial-opens-065991
I should also note that the charges against Stone are making false statements and obstruction. He never really admitted anything to Mueller or ratted out Trump. He just was caught lying and contradicting himself over the whole WikiLeaks etc thing. And he threatened a witness.
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DAY#2 of Roger Stone trial (yesterday):
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...d-with-russia-to-defend-against-lying-charges
Opening statements by prosecution and defense. This conservative news source covers the defense arguments well but is light on the prosecution. First witness for the prosecution only gets a small paragraph at the end, but she's also continuing today.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...d-with-russia-to-defend-against-lying-charges
Opening statements by prosecution and defense. This conservative news source covers the defense arguments well but is light on the prosecution. First witness for the prosecution only gets a small paragraph at the end, but she's also continuing today.
Russiagate has been going on during Trump's entire first term in office.
Imagine it keeps going on throughout a second term of him in office and finally finds what its been looking for against him only after he's left office.
Imagine it keeps going on throughout a second term of him in office and finally finds what its been looking for against him only after he's left office.
You just summed up the entire GoP defense strategy... delay until we can get away.
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The Roger Stone trial is going on now. Most of what was redacted from the Mueller report was about Stone. In fact, I don't think there should have been a Mueller report until after the trial, but it puts a closure on it of the trial. The only way it could go differently as you say, is if Stone flips and admits other people in the campaign, such as Trump and Jr had a role. It seems very late to do that in Stone's game.
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That'd be Trump's fault.
The Mueller Report already indicated he should be impeached. The Justice Dept and GOP decided to ignore it.
That's a lovely system of government you've got there.
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It was pretty much perverted with the GOP's Southern Strategy with Nixon and the downward death spiral by hardcore right-wing propaganda starting 30 years ago. The GOP has become hyper-partisan and ignored the results of a Trump Justice Department ordered investigation (oddly enough in part via the Justice Dept's own judgment).
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Steve Bannon testified today. It's pretty damning. Good summary here:
https://news.google.com/articles/CA...ocv1CjCSptoCMPrTpgU?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en
https://news.google.com/articles/CA...ocv1CjCSptoCMPrTpgU?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en
barbos
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It's so last year.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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It's from today.
barbos
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I know, that's why I said what I said.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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Today is not last year.
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Copernicus
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Absolutely. This testimony corroborates the nature of the alleged coordination between Donald Trump and Russian intelligence services. Stone was known to be the campaign's liaison with Wikileaks. He is a close confidante of Donald Trump and could be relied on to relay information back and forth secretly and securely. Except that the man often cannot resist blabbing about all his antics, sometimes before even the press gets wind of the brewing scandal. The GRU hacked the emails and sent them to Wikileaks, which passed on the information to Trump and possibly other trusted members of his crime family. A criminal case could not actually result, because Bannon's testimony was little more than hearsay, albeit credible hearsay. In any case, Trump had managed to obstruct Mueller's probe well enough to make it almost impossible to bring a clear charge of criminal conspiracy in Mueller's mind.
barbos
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Poor Mueller, could not withstand stable genius of Trump.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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It's actually his minions simply not being rats. If they sang like canaries instead of obstructing justice, we'd see more and different charges of higher ups in the campaign. This crime family follows simple crime family procedure, no genius status needed.
Copernicus
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This is a really important point to make. The world is full of corrupt, ruthless leaders, but they wouldn't get anywhere without the active collaboration of large numbers of people combined with a certain amount of apathy from those who choose to close their eyes. In the US, the Republican Party has become a Trump-worshiping machine that retains little of its former moderate wing. Trump is nowhere near as competent an autocrat as Putin, but he does seem to have a formula for moving the US in the same direction that Russia has gone. This serves Putin's interests, but not necessarily Russia's.
The Mueller Report did not have much impact on public opinion, which was already deeply suspicious of Trump's behavior. However, it did leave us with a blueprint for future prosecutions, if the next DoJ chooses to go after Trump for obstruction and/or reopen the investigation of criminal conspiracy with the Russian government. Right now, the Ukraine scandal has superseded Mueller, because this one is about the next election, not that past one. It may not lead to Trump's removal by the Senate, but it will probably serve as a big factor in keeping him from winning reelection.