Russians try to warn America

[Keith&Co.]

Wow. Luv-all.

 

[beero1000]

Mutually-assured destruction has only been a relevant doctrine for how many decades? Thanks for the newsflash, I guess nobody in the US got that message. We'll have to reconsider everything now.

Oh wait, this is just more posturing. Look at me sideways and I'll mess you up...

 

[Will Wiley]

How would Trumpster and the Putnik get along? Inquiring minds want to know.

Trump victory would 'shake' Washington and help mend relations – top Russian senator

A victory for Donald Trump at the upcoming US presidential elections could be the major change needed to reverse the negative trend in Russia-US relations, claims the head of the Russian Upper House Committee for Foreign Relations.
“Any continuation of the dialogue (which often looked more like a monologue performed by the US) using the same format that has been used over the past 25 years would automatically reproduce all conflicts and stalemates that we faced before – the NATO expansion, the creation of the global missile defense, the ’tug of war’ over the post-Soviet republics, and the attitude to the situation in the Middle East,” Konstantin Kosachev wrote on his Facebook page on Thursday.

“New chances may appear only as radically new tendencies in the White House, and we are talking not only about pro-Russian sentiments, we simply need some fresh air, some ‘wind of change’ in Washington. Then, we can reset certain things and agree on continuation of the dialogue,” the senator added.

Kosachev went on to explain that it was practically impossible to deal with US officials obsessed with “democracy messianism” or, in other words, the reorganization of the whole world so that it could better serve their own purposes. “For them, any agreements and compromises are temporary and their own objectives never change,” he complained.

“In the context of these two factors [Donald] Trump looks slightly more promising… At least, he is capable of giving a shake to Washington. He is certainly a pragmatist and not a missionary like his main opponent [Hillary] Clinton,” Kosachev stated.

 

[Jayjay]

Putin and Trump would get along like Molotov and Ribbentrop, no doubt.

 

[barbos]

Putin and Trump would get along like Molotov and Ribbentrop, no doubt.

Yeah, Obama is better accidentally lose nuke codes if Trump is elected.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Putin and Trump would get along like Molotov and Ribbentrop, no doubt.

Yeah, Obama is better accidentally lose nuke codes if Trump is elected.

I wonder if Trump can pass the background check to even shake hands with the officer carrying the football?

 

[Angry Floof]

How would Trumpster and the Putnik get along? Inquiring minds want to know.

Personally, I feel like Putin could play "The Donald" like a well maintained instrument.

Oh fuck yeah. Say what you want about Putin, his character, his policies, his sanity, whatever, but he lives by his own rules. Donald can bluster all he wants, but deep down he is a confused coward and a product of our culture that panders to the delicate egos of rich buttercups. Putin is neither confused nor cowardly. Even if he doesn't actually hold the power necessary to take all that Trump loves and destroy it as Trump watched, he certainly does have the will and the stomach to do it.

 

[Keith&Co.]

to take all that Trump loves and destroy it as Trump watched,

Besides The Donald, what does trump love?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

to take all that Trump loves and destroy it as Trump watched,

Besides The Donald, what does trump love?

He seems to be ... really ... close to his daughter.

 

[Angry Floof]

to take all that Trump loves and destroy it as Trump watched,

Besides The Donald, what does trump love?

What Tom Sawyer said.

Also, what Donald loves about himself is not so much the life in his veins as the ego in his head. In that regard, there would be no challenge for Putin. The difference I'm trying to describe is the equivalent of tossing someone across the room with one hand. Two powerful men, but only one of them has any degree of control and will for how to wield it.

There's no real power in Trump himself. He gets his power from our culture and from all the other people who give it to him. That's only partially true for Vladmir Putin.

 

[RVonse]

Mutually-assured destruction has only been a relevant doctrine for how many decades? Thanks for the newsflash, I guess nobody in the US got that message. We'll have to reconsider everything now.

Oh wait, this is just more posturing. Look at me sideways and I'll mess you up...

There is a big difference between the cold war of the 1970's and today though. Back then, the media was more decentralized and more honest about reporting real news instead of entertainment for the masses. Furthermore, the US government itself was functioning much better and not so out of touch with the welfare of its own citizens. Today's Washington has been high jacked by the highest bidder, and if that bidder wants war with Russia its going to happen regardless of what it does to the citizens of the US.

If you ask me, the article of the OP is a message from friends warning us we are going off the cliff. It is like your best friend who has just told you your wife is cheating but you refuse to believe because she has been so nice to you.

And not to take this seriously is the height of stupidity and ignorance. We are in grave danger right now.

 

[fromderinside]

And not to take this seriously is the height of stupidity and ignorance. We are in grave danger right now.

Let's talk about seriously, OK? Our missile defense system is seventies technology still. Russia's missile defense and offence technology is fifties technology still and it was abandoned in the nineties for a time. Russia is killing itself still with its handling of nuclear technology. Great swaths of the largest stater in the world is useless for generations now. Putin and a bunch of oligarchs sit atop a corrupt soviet bureaucracy without the capability to pay their soldiers sent to Syria. Be afraid, be very afraid, Russia. Its no longer assured nuclear anything with the likelihood that neither Russia nor the US will be able to successfully use nuclear weapons on the other or anyone for that matter.

Remember USSR blustered for almost 30 years after it was evident their military nor industry could perform under their system. Yes from Blockade to Wall down the hollow shell managed to stay away from attack which they couldn't accomplish only because the US wasn't interested in taking them on directly. Things aren't much different now except the US technology has moved from big bombs to precise weapons; we've moved from mass killing to decapitations, while Russia is trying to use Cold war technology and bullying to keep their old clients from completely breaking away. They could only sustain 'help' for Syria for about two months and it became clear they couldn't finance even that effort.

My worry is that we'll let Russia re-integrate some states and Russia will over react and use iron fist tactics to keep them in line just like they tried and failed to do after WWII. Until Russia has a government that actually is other than a bully it will keep using that same old failed repression hammer failing again.

Don't warn us about what we are going toward. Take a lesson from your past and change how you do things or you'll only crash and burn again.

Take stock of what you have which is very little. The time has come for you to forget protecting those you exported to satellites. Stop trying to keep them in line with ethnic bluster. Offer to bring them home to mother Russia so your population doesn't continue to crash. Those states have sailed. You aren't going to succeed using failed tactics. Respect history and get on with building your nation into something that can sustain itself.

Nice talking to ya.

One final note for you to note. Your command and control was teletype back in the day and it still is so. Ours was floppy and its changing to cloud based. Get a clue and modernize before you even think of trying to move on people. Sure you can hack. So what? So can we. You r problem is you aren't making your systems better while you hack. We are actually defending against hacks with new technology. You aren't improving your resistance to hacking except you have so little integration that its a complete waste of time for us to waste much money doing that. We'll leave that to industry.

Finally, why is Musk here doing wonderful things? Good question. Got and answer? Its that your environment won't support such as he.

 

[Jayjay]

One final note for you to note. Your command and control was teletype back in the day and it still is so. Ours was floppy and its changing to cloud based. Get a clue and modernize before you even think of trying to move on people.

Not sure I want command and control systems for launching nukes to be "cloud based".

 

[fromderinside]

One final note for you to note. Your command and control was teletype back in the day and it still is so. Ours was floppy and its changing to cloud based. Get a clue and modernize before you even think of trying to move on people.

Not sure I want command and control systems for launching nukes to be "cloud based".

Much better than teletype or floppy.

 

[RVonse]

And not to take this seriously is the height of stupidity and ignorance. We are in grave danger right now.

Let's talk about seriously, OK? Our missile defense system is seventies technology still. Russia's missile defense and offence technology is fifties technology still and it was abandoned in the nineties for a time. Russia is killing itself still with its handling of nuclear technology. Great swaths of the largest stater in the world is useless for generations now. Putin and a bunch of oligarchs sit atop a corrupt soviet bureaucracy without the capability to pay their soldiers sent to Syria. Be afraid, be very afraid, Russia. Its no longer assured nuclear anything with the likelihood that neither Russia nor the US will be able to successfully use nuclear weapons on the other or anyone for that matter.

Remember USSR blustered for almost 30 years after it was evident their military nor industry could perform under their system. Yes from Blockade to Wall down the hollow shell managed to stay away from attack which they couldn't accomplish only because the US wasn't interested in taking them on directly. Things aren't much different now except the US technology has moved from big bombs to precise weapons; we've moved from mass killing to decapitations, while Russia is trying to use Cold war technology and bullying to keep their old clients from completely breaking away. They could only sustain 'help' for Syria for about two months and it became clear they couldn't finance even that effort.

My worry is that we'll let Russia re-integrate some states and Russia will over react and use iron fist tactics to keep them in line just like they tried and failed to do after WWII. Until Russia has a government that actually is other than a bully it will keep using that same old failed repression hammer failing again.

Don't warn us about what we are going toward. Take a lesson from your past and change how you do things or you'll only crash and burn again.

Take stock of what you have which is very little. The time has come for you to forget protecting those you exported to satellites. Stop trying to keep them in line with ethnic bluster. Offer to bring them home to mother Russia so your population doesn't continue to crash. Those states have sailed. You aren't going to succeed using failed tactics. Respect history and get on with building your nation into something that can sustain itself.

Nice talking to ya.

One final note for you to note. Your command and control was teletype back in the day and it still is so. Ours was floppy and its changing to cloud based. Get a clue and modernize before you even think of trying to move on people. Sure you can hack. So what? So can we. You r problem is you aren't making your systems better while you hack. We are actually defending against hacks with new technology. You aren't improving your resistance to hacking except you have so little integration that its a complete waste of time for us to waste much money doing that. We'll leave that to industry.

Finally, why is Musk here doing wonderful things? Good question. Got and answer? Its that your environment won't support such as he.

The sobering part of the message is that Russia is not going to back down and even their old tech is enough to kill all of us in the US. And the other sobering part is that the US can't seem to leave well enough alone with the rest of the world because Washington has been bought and paid by corporations. And Russia is not going to play around with NATO or Europe first before they start going right after continental US.

So take your pick.....do you want a 1950's style nuke destroying your house or a 1970 era nuke exploding. Because either way, you will be dead. And it will not matter if all of Russia is dead first because even their dusty old technology will get the job done even when they are dead. Nothing we have can stop any of their perimeter "dead hand" submarine missles.

Personally, I'm not wanting to die just yet.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Besides The Donald, what does trump love?

What Tom Sawyer said.

Also, what Donald loves about himself is not so much the life in his veins as the ego in his head. In that regard, there would be no challenge for Putin. The difference I'm trying to describe is the equivalent of tossing someone across the room with one hand. Two powerful men, but only one of them has any degree of control and will for how to wield it.

There's no real power in Trump himself. He gets his power from our culture and from all the other people who give it to him. That's only partially true for Vladmir Putin.

Ya, that's the thing with Trump. He thinks that he's Vladimir Putin, but he's really only Donald Fucking Trump. Putin, on the other hand, is actually Vladimir Fucking Putin. There's not much of a comparison between the two.

 

[Angry Floof]

What Tom Sawyer said.

Also, what Donald loves about himself is not so much the life in his veins as the ego in his head. In that regard, there would be no challenge for Putin. The difference I'm trying to describe is the equivalent of tossing someone across the room with one hand. Two powerful men, but only one of them has any degree of control and will for how to wield it.

There's no real power in Trump himself. He gets his power from our culture and from all the other people who give it to him. That's only partially true for Vladmir Putin.

Ya, that's the thing with Trump. He thinks that he's Vladimir Putin, but he's really only Donald Fucking Trump. Putin, on the other hand, is actually Vladimir Fucking Putin. There's not much of a comparison between the two.

Exactly.

I love this story:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...s-super-bowl-ring-as-gift-a-visual-retelling/

Robert Kraft, New England Patriots owner, claims that his ring was taken by Russian President Vladimir Putin back in 2005. He showed Putin the ring, Putin said (according to Kraft) “I can kill someone with this ring” and then the Russian president pocketed it, was surrounded by KGB agents, and left before Kraft could get it back.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Not sure I want command and control systems for launching nukes to be "cloud based".

Much better than teletype or floppy.

All our drawings of the Mark 98 Mod 6 increment 4 SLBM Fire Control System indicate that the subsystems connect through a 'cloud.' It's a fiber optic server, not a cloud. But 'cloud' is the buzzword, so that's what the drawings show. Special Projects is pleased though SP should KNOW it's not really a cloud since they didn't give us any money to make it a cloud...

But when we rollout the system to new crews, the instantly fixate on the cloud in the drawing and ask, "Did they replace the LNC?"
"Um, no, it's just a trendy drawing."

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Also, what Donald loves about himself is not so much the life in his veins as the ego in his head. In that regard, there would be no challenge for Putin. The difference I'm trying to describe is the equivalent of tossing someone across the room with one hand. Two powerful men, but only one of them has any degree of control and will for how to wield it.

Well, the Donald's advantage is that he's very practiced at denial. He will insist that rather than get his ass kicked, HE carried the day, no matter how much footage comes to rest on Youtube showing otherwise.

 

[barbos]

And not to take this seriously is the height of stupidity and ignorance. We are in grave danger right now.

Let's talk about seriously, OK? Our missile defense system is seventies technology still. Russia's missile defense and offence technology is fifties technology still and it was abandoned in the nineties for a time. Russia is killing itself still with its handling of nuclear technology. Great swaths of the largest stater in the world is useless for generations now. Putin and a bunch of oligarchs sit atop a corrupt soviet bureaucracy without the capability to pay their soldiers sent to Syria. Be afraid, be very afraid, Russia. Its no longer assured nuclear anything with the likelihood that neither Russia nor the US will be able to successfully use nuclear weapons on the other or anyone for that matter.

Remember USSR blustered for almost 30 years after it was evident their military nor industry could perform under their system. Yes from Blockade to Wall down the hollow shell managed to stay away from attack which they couldn't accomplish only because the US wasn't interested in taking them on directly. Things aren't much different now except the US technology has moved from big bombs to precise weapons; we've moved from mass killing to decapitations, while Russia is trying to use Cold war technology and bullying to keep their old clients from completely breaking away. They could only sustain 'help' for Syria for about two months and it became clear they couldn't finance even that effort.

My worry is that we'll let Russia re-integrate some states and Russia will over react and use iron fist tactics to keep them in line just like they tried and failed to do after WWII. Until Russia has a government that actually is other than a bully it will keep using that same old failed repression hammer failing again.

Don't warn us about what we are going toward. Take a lesson from your past and change how you do things or you'll only crash and burn again.

Take stock of what you have which is very little. The time has come for you to forget protecting those you exported to satellites. Stop trying to keep them in line with ethnic bluster. Offer to bring them home to mother Russia so your population doesn't continue to crash. Those states have sailed. You aren't going to succeed using failed tactics. Respect history and get on with building your nation into something that can sustain itself.

Nice talking to ya.

One final note for you to note. Your command and control was teletype back in the day and it still is so. Ours was floppy and its changing to cloud based. Get a clue and modernize before you even think of trying to move on people. Sure you can hack. So what? So can we. You r problem is you aren't making your systems better while you hack. We are actually defending against hacks with new technology. You aren't improving your resistance to hacking except you have so little integration that its a complete waste of time for us to waste much money doing that. We'll leave that to industry.

Finally, why is Musk here doing wonderful things? Good question. Got and answer? Its that your environment won't support such as he.

You are so wrong about everything here.

 

[barbos]

Mutually-assured destruction has only been a relevant doctrine for how many decades? Thanks for the newsflash, I guess nobody in the US got that message. We'll have to reconsider everything now.

Oh wait, this is just more posturing. Look at me sideways and I'll mess you up...

There is a big difference between the cold war of the 1970's and today though. Back then, the media was more decentralized and more honest about reporting real news instead of entertainment for the masses.

US media creates horribly distorted views about Russia. Ironically freedom of the press is to blame. Normally there is balance, when one media outlet bullshit others opposing to it will point out their bullshit. But in US/West there is no balance when it comes to Russian news. Everything goes as truth. Also, Russian-ameriacans are dis-proportionally underrepresented in US-Canada. On every "russian" in US/Canada there are probably 10 poles and "ukrainians", and even that one "russian" is most likely a russian jew.

Speaking of jews, russia and US media. I remember when I came to US, and was watching TV there was one "informational" money begging show about jews in USSR which was particularly annoying. That was called "On the wings of hope" or something. They were collecting money to help jews to move to Israel. state sponsored antisemitism blah-blah. That was complete and utter horse shit, yet I bet that a lot of americans took as truth and rearranged neurons in their heads accordingly.