Arctish
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What does the existence of a division of Bosnian (European) Muslim Nazis have to do with a woman losing her job because she refused to refuse to refuse to invest in or buy products from Israel?
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What does the existence of a division of Bosnian (European) Muslim Nazis have to do with a woman losing her job because she refused to refuse to refuse to invest in or buy products from Israel?
Derec
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Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, who was a friend of Hitler, played a role in creating it and recruiting fighters.
Not her job, her contract. She was an independent contractor.
And I was making a point that BDS movement is based in antisemitism and rather close to Nazi ideology.
Derec
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- A division is not a "tiny group".
- they were volunteers, believers in the cause. Nazi propaganda made a lot of the friendship between Nazi Germany and the Islamic World.
Never said that.
Did not say that either. But there is a long history of Palestinians working with Nazis. Even today you can see Palestinians proudly hoist the swastika flag.
They had plenty of chances to get that. In 1948 they could have accepted the Partition Plan.
Between 1949 and 1967 it was not Israel, but Egypt and Jordan that stood between Palestinians and their statehood.
Since 1967 Palestinians have refused offers made by Israel, choosing instead to engage in terrorist attacks.
In 2005 Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza, making it autonomous. How did Palestinians repay that overture? They elected Hamas and started shooting hundreds of rockets at Israeli civilians.
1,000,000x more logical than yours.
Arctish
Centimillionaire
Lots of political factions cozied up to the Nazis, including at least one Zionist terrorist organization who offered to assist the Nazis in their fight against the British. What does that have to do with the topic of this thread?
BDS is based on anti militant Zionist expansion in Palestine. It's actually quite pro-Semitic in that it is an attempt to lessen the suffering of the Semitic people of Palestine, including Jews, by making continued hostilities and oppression less profitable.
Derec
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Maybe, but it is one thing if an obscure group does it compared to collaboration by the dominant political/religious Palestinian groups, to the extent that Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, the chief religious figure, was tasked with forming and recruiting a division of literal Islamonazis.
And the support by Palestinians of Nazism lasts to this day.
And it goes deeper than mere symbols. Hamas is basically a Nazi party with Islamic flavor and with no sense of style. And as I have shown in one of the articles above, Hamas figures are part of BDS protests. Hamas also officially supports BDS.
BDS boycotts Israelis. Nazis, before they took power, boycotted Jews. It's a pretty clear parallel.
What expansion? Israel has shown time and time again that they are willing to trade land for peace. They withdrew from Sinai twice (after 1967 and after 1973). They offered 97% of Judea and Samaria in 2000. Arafat refused, and called for a wave of terror (aka 2nd Intifada) which claimed 1000 Israeli and 3000 Palestinian lives. Israel even withdrew from Gaza, but Palestinians responded by shooting hundreds of rockets at Israeli civilians.
Palestinians, especially Hamas and Islamic Jihad, but also Fatah, are the bad guys here. For example, Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority pays blood money to families of dead or captured terrorists who murder Jews.
Why no calls to boycott Palestinians? And going globally, why such singular focus on Israel if not hatred of Jews? I do not see calls to "boycott, divest from and sanction" Russia or Iran.
Wrong. BDS wants to abolish Israel and replace it with "Palestine".
That would not turn out well for any Jews who do not escape.
This is the "military" (aka terrorist) chief of Hamas, Yaya Sinwar.
barbos
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Well according to wiki the opposite is true. BDS is actually hurting .... Palestinians.
And you all fail to acknowledge that this so called "pledge" is actually a law in many countries (GB, France Germany, Canada, 26 US states)
It basically forbids such wide grassroots boycotts of whole countries/societies. In case of Israel it's problematic because that's what germans did. So it reminds that.
Arctish
Centimillionaire
LEHI was not an obscure group. One of their more prominent members became Prime Minister of Israel, and many others were members of the Knesset and appointed to government posts.
Of course Hamas officially supports BDS. Any lessening of the profitability of the ongoing Zionist expansion into Palestinian lands would be to their advantage. That's kind of a no-brainer.
If I link to American Jewish organizations that support BDS are you going to call them Nazis?
Before the Nazis boycotted Jews, the Irish boycotted Charles Boycott for oppressing the indigenous population and evicting people from their homes. That's an even clearer parallel.
Please support this claim with fact based evidence. It sounds like a bullshit assertion but if you have solid evidence the BDS movement's goal is not what they say on their webpage
"The Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law."
I'd like to see it. But if all you have are snippets of speeches made by people not known to be associated with the BDS movement except perhaps as potential beneficiaries, don't bother. I'm not going to waste my time with off-topic Godwinning.
I see you didn't even try to address what has happened since.
Just because the current oppressors are black doesn't make things any better.
Hamas most certainly oppresses Semitic people in Palestine--yet she wants to support them.
Hamas most certainly places Jews in harm's way--yet she supports them.
Hamas most certainly violates basic human rights--yet she support them.
laughing dog
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The gov't of Israel does all three of those, yet you support the gov't of Israel.
untermensche
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Jewish intruders pissed a lot of people off.
They were and are terrorists.
When people intrude and are violent terrorists like the Jews did and were in Palestine it is normal to not like them.
You paint them all because one Palestinian leader collaborated with Hitler.
There were French collaborators too.
We don't hate all the French because of that.
The Israelis have carried out a brutal and murderous oppression of the Palestinians for decades.
Oppression makes people hate you.
Not letting people have their own country makes people hate you.
Invaded over and over and stealing non-stop makes people hate you.
The key to the whole situation is the non-stop theft of land. That is how you know what the oppression is all about.
Turkey and Greece were against the Partition Plan. Every nation in the region was against it.
It was a plan to reward aggression.
The Palestinians had no vote on the matter. Only members of the UN voted.
In other words the Palestinians waited patiently for their rights.
The most fair offer was at the Taba Summit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taba_Summit
Israel walked away and never came back to the positions it had at Taba.
There was and is nothing autonomous about Gaza. You don't know what the word means.
Autonomous does not mean you are attacked over and over. It does not mean you can't have the materials to defend yourself from attacks.
It is a joke to claim Gaza is autonomous.
You cannot take a boat from Europe to Gaza. It does not have a port and you will be stopped by Israel.
That is not what autonomous means.
James Madison
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Maybe because there’s not a free speech violation? https://reason.com/volokh/2018/12/18/everyone-is-misreporting-the-texas-bds-l
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James Madison
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Depends on how the contract is interpreted. The contract provision does reference a Texas statute. For a different view of the contract see: https://reason.com/volokh/2018/12/18/everyone-is-misreporting-the-texas-bds-l
Texas statute: https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/GV/htm/GV.2270.v2.htm
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untermensche
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I love this.
The US Constitution cannot make racial discrimination the same thing as opposing terrorist nations.
This is a clear infringement on the most important kind of speech.
The ability to oppose oppression.
The US Constitution cannot make racial discrimination the same thing as opposing terrorist nations.
This is a clear infringement on the most important kind of speech.
The ability to oppose oppression.
Arctish
Centimillionaire
What's anti-Semitic about opposing the actions of a government that oppresses the Semitic people in Palestine? Be specific. You can start with describing the actions of Hamas if you'd like, but please specify what's anti-Semitic about opposing them.
What's anti-Semitic about opposing policies that deliberately place Jews in harm's way? Be specific. You can start with explaining how Hamas influences where Jews build their houses if you'd like, but please specify what's anti-Semitic about opposing a policy that deliberately places Jews in peril.
What's anti-Semitic about applying economic pressure to discourage violations of basic human rights? Please be specific. You can start by explaining what you think human rights are, and why applying economic pressure to discourage their violation is wrong. Then please explain what that's got to do with anti-Semitism, because I think you've got it backwards. I think it's anti-Semitic to encourage, or at least ignore, human rights violations against the indigenous population in the homeland of the Semitic people.
Arctish
Centimillionaire
Is anyone going to make a cogent argument why they think the BDS movement is anti-Semitic, or why a speech pathologist in Texas should lose a contract with an employer for refusing to refuse to refuse to buy products made in another country, or are y'all just going to post random pictures and snark?
Any Libertarians out there who want to take a swing at using the power of the government to force someone to perform an action against their will, or the perversion of the Invisible Hand of the Free Market?
Any Libertarians out there who want to take a swing at using the power of the government to force someone to perform an action against their will, or the perversion of the Invisible Hand of the Free Market?
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repoman
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Let's take this to a far reaching and probably excessive conclusion.
Assume there was no consequence ever to (as in no social media plastering your activities all over the internet as well as no laws) to boycotting or assisting a foreign boycott of another country. Israel in this case. This is like Coke coming to your restaurant and saying don't serve Pepsi or we will not sell as cheaply to you. Except the Arab countries are Coke and Israel is Pepsi. Not going to get into whether this is justified. Some aspects I think are, but whatever.
There would be two major groups doing this people who dislike the Jews in general and those who want Israel to have a better government and treatment of the Palestinians. And trust me, Israel would love to blur the lines.
How big could this global boycott get? Does Europe also have anti-boycott support provisions?
ETA, imagine this was a university in Atlanta that had an arena named after Coco-Cola and a dietitian professor was involved in a soda boycott. That school would want to fuck him up badly.
Assume there was no consequence ever to (as in no social media plastering your activities all over the internet as well as no laws) to boycotting or assisting a foreign boycott of another country. Israel in this case. This is like Coke coming to your restaurant and saying don't serve Pepsi or we will not sell as cheaply to you. Except the Arab countries are Coke and Israel is Pepsi. Not going to get into whether this is justified. Some aspects I think are, but whatever.
There would be two major groups doing this people who dislike the Jews in general and those who want Israel to have a better government and treatment of the Palestinians. And trust me, Israel would love to blur the lines.
How big could this global boycott get? Does Europe also have anti-boycott support provisions?
ETA, imagine this was a university in Atlanta that had an arena named after Coco-Cola and a dietitian professor was involved in a soda boycott. That school would want to fuck him up badly.
repoman
Contributor
mistake
untermensche
Contributor
Nothing wrong with being against both the Israeli government and policies for the past decades and what it's oppression has created, Hamas.
And what is sick is the only reason for the continual oppression is so Israel can steal more and more land.
That is the key to the whole thing and how you know Israel is not an honest party in this.
Comparing an organized government that has oppressed millions so it can slowly steal more and more land from them to the resistance of that oppression is to not know how to make moral comparisons.