School testing insanity

[Loren Pechtel]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ed-by-students-math-standardized-test-scores/

They're so determined to grade teachers that it doesn't matter if they don't have a yardstick. No testing for what the teacher teaches? So what, grade them on how students at the school do anyway.

 

[Bronzeage]

Maybe they could grade on how well his students color inside the lines.

 

[fast]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ed-by-students-math-standardized-test-scores/

They're so determined to grade teachers that it doesn't matter if they don't have a yardstick. No testing for what the teacher teaches? So what, grade them on how students at the school do anyway.

Well, clearly, the teacher has room for improvement. If 20% to 40% of the teacher's score results are beyond the teacher's control, just as it is for other like-teachers and the teacher has a lower score than other like-teachers, then the idiocy of the scoring methodology doesn't negate the fact there is at least some semblance of sanity for statistical comparison.

 

[Metaphor]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ed-by-students-math-standardized-test-scores/

They're so determined to grade teachers that it doesn't matter if they don't have a yardstick. No testing for what the teacher teaches? So what, grade them on how students at the school do anyway.

Well, clearly, the teacher has room for improvement. If 20% to 40% of the teacher's score results are beyond the teacher's control, just as it is for other like-teachers and the teacher has a lower score than other like-teachers, then the idiocy of the scoring methodology doesn't negate the fact there is at least some semblance of sanity for statistical comparison.

Did your read the article? There's no comparison to 'like' teachers, they're graded on a scale that rates them effective or not depending on their final score, not on how many other 'effectives' or not there are.

Would you agree to a pay rise, where 40% of the pay rise was dependent on the rated performance of a handful of other people in your company?

Would you think it just that someone's prison sentence be based 60% on the severity of their crime, and 40% based on how severe other criminals were in his neighbourhood?

 

[fast]

Well, clearly, the teacher has room for improvement. If 20% to 40% of the teacher's score results are beyond the teacher's control, just as it is for other like-teachers and the teacher has a lower score than other like-teachers, then the idiocy of the scoring methodology doesn't negate the fact there is at least some semblance of sanity for statistical comparison.

Did your read the article? There's no comparison to 'like' teachers, they're graded on a scale that rates them effective or not depending on their final score, not on how many other 'effectives' or not there are.

Would you agree to a pay rise, where 40% of the pay rise was dependent on the rated performance of a handful of other people in your company?

Would you think it just that someone's prison sentence be based 60% on the severity of their crime, and 40% based on how severe other criminals were in his neighbourhood?

I read a good portion, and I'm the one that introduced, "like-teachers". I'm not saying it's not idiotic. In fact, I did say it was idiotic. It's just not completely insane.

If 50 of 100 people will get a raise, and if it should be based solely on their merit but isn't, we may still be able to rationally (even if not reasonably) determine who should get the raise and who shouldn't dependent on the nature of the fairness or unfairness. If evaluations are wrongly skewed but fairly distributed, there could be a statistical canceling effect. Gotta run right now.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Did your read the article? There's no comparison to 'like' teachers, they're graded on a scale that rates them effective or not depending on their final score, not on how many other 'effectives' or not there are.

Would you agree to a pay rise, where 40% of the pay rise was dependent on the rated performance of a handful of other people in your company?

Would you think it just that someone's prison sentence be based 60% on the severity of their crime, and 40% based on how severe other criminals were in his neighbourhood?

I read a good portion, and I'm the one that introduced, "like-teachers". I'm not saying it's not idiotic. In fact, I did say it was idiotic. It's just not completely insane.

If 50 of 100 people will get a raise, and if it should be based solely on their merit but isn't, we may still be able to rationally (even if not reasonably) determine who should get the raise and who shouldn't dependent on the nature of the fairness or unfairness. If evaluations are wrongly skewed but fairly distributed, there could be a statistical canceling effect. Gotta run right now.

A good amount of luck would be required and would likely be unreproducible.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ed-by-students-math-standardized-test-scores/

They're so determined to grade teachers that it doesn't matter if they don't have a yardstick. No testing for what the teacher teaches? So what, grade them on how students at the school do anyway.

Well, clearly, the teacher has room for improvement. If 20% to 40% of the teacher's score results are beyond the teacher's control, just as it is for other like-teachers and the teacher has a lower score than other like-teachers, then the idiocy of the scoring methodology doesn't negate the fact there is at least some semblance of sanity for statistical comparison.

But 0% of the teacher's acts have anything to do with the test scores.

 

[ksen]

I thought OP said schools were testing for insanity.

 

[fast]

Well, clearly, the teacher has room for improvement. If 20% to 40% of the teacher's score results are beyond the teacher's control, just as it is for other like-teachers and the teacher has a lower score than other like-teachers, then the idiocy of the scoring methodology doesn't negate the fact there is at least some semblance of sanity for statistical comparison.

But 0% of the teacher's acts have anything to do with the test scores.

0%? Dang, so much for my comprehension skills. I shouldn't read in the AM hours no-how.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But 0% of the teacher's acts have anything to do with the test scores.

0%? Dang, so much for my comprehension skills. I shouldn't read in the AM hours no-how.

He doesn't teach any subject that is tested.