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Sen. Dianne Feinstein's Deterioration

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Dianne Feinstein’s Missteps Raise a Painful Age Question Among Senate Democrats | The New Yorker
On November 17, DiFi, as she is sometimes called, she read off of some prepared papers and grilled Jack Dorsey, Twitter CEO about what his company is doing about the spread of disinformation. Then she did so again, word for word, without any awareness that she had done so earlier. DD went along with that.
Social media was less polite. A conservative Web site soon posted a clip of the humiliating moment on YouTube, under the headline “Senator Feinstein just asked the same question twice and didn’t realize she did it,” adding an emoji of someone covering his face with his hand in shame, along with bright red type proclaiming “Time to Retire!!” Six days later, under growing pressure from progressive groups who were already outraged by her faltering management of Amy Coney Barrett’s Supreme Court confirmation hearing, Feinstein released a statement announcing that she would step down from the Democrats’ senior position, while continuing as a non-ranking member of the committee. Feinstein’s office declined to comment for this article.
Born in 1933, DiFi was a member of San Francisco's Board of Supervisors over 1970 - 1978, then Mayor of SF 1978 - 1988, then US Senator from CA 1992 - present.

Some former DiFi aides have defended her, asking why she is being singled out.
But many others familiar with Feinstein’s situation describe her as seriously struggling, and say it has been evident for several years. Speaking on background, and with respect for her accomplished career, they say her short-term memory has grown so poor that she often forgets she has been briefed on a topic, accusing her staff of failing to do so just after they have. They describe Feinstein as forgetting what she has said and getting upset when she can’t keep up.
Like with JD.
Feinstein has always been known as a difficult taskmaster. She is said to have told someone applying for a job in her office, “I don’t get ulcers—I give them.” A stickler for detail, she demanded to see every page going out of her office with her name on it. But with her diminishing capacity, this has become increasingly difficult.
In the hearings on whether Amy Coney Barrett would be a good Supreme Court Justice, the Democrats sought to portray the Republicans as pushing her through no matter what.
But, to the Democrats’ dismay, Feinstein instead hugged the Republican chairman of the committee, Lindsey Graham, thanking him for his “fairness” and for running “one of the best set of hearings that I’ve participated in.”
 
Not surprisingly, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is concerned.
Schumer had several serious and painful talks with Feinstein, according to well-informed sources. Overtures were also made to enlist the help of Feinstein’s husband, Richard Blum. Feinstein, meanwhile, was surprised and upset by Schumer’s message.
CS wanted DiFi to step down on her own terms, so she could have some dignity. But she seems to have very little awareness of her deterioration.
Compounding the problem, Feinstein seemed to forget about the conversations soon after they talked, so Schumer had to confront her again. “It was like Groundhog Day, but with the pain fresh each time.” Anyone who has tried to take the car keys away from an elderly relative knows how hard it can be, he said, adding that, in this case, “It wasn’t just about a car. It was about the U.S. Senate.”

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“We only have a hundred senators. I don’t think she should be there,” the former aide said. “Someone should have told her.” But it’s unclear whether Feinstein would have listened. As one of the current aides to a different senator notes, “In her defense, Feinstein has had to fight for everything she’s gotten. She didn’t get where she is as a woman in politics by listening to the men.”

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Unlike the Republican leadership in the Senate, which rotates committee chairmanships, the Democrats have stuck with the seniority system. Some frustrated younger members argue that this has undermined the Democrats’ effectiveness by giving too much power to elderly and sometimes out-of-touch chairs, resulting in uncoördinated strategy and too little opportunity for members in their prime.
 
Many people laughed at the aged leadership of the Soviet Union in its last years. But the US has a similar problem.

How Old is Congress? | Quorum

48 Senators are over the age of 65 - out of 100 - 48%
147 Representatives are over the age of 65 - out of 435 - 34%
15 governors are over the age of 65 - out of 100 - 15%

"In 1981, the average age of a Representative was 49 and the average of a Senator was 53. Today, the average age of a Representative is 57 and the average of a Senator is 61."

Both Republicans And Democrats Have an Age Problem | FiveThirtyEight from 2014

Democratic leaders in the House are two decades older than Republican leaders.

The average age of the Democratic House leadership is 72 years old, whereas the average age of Republican House leadership is 48 years old. This trend continues in House committee leadership with Republican chairmen averaging 59 years old and ranking Democrats averaging 68 years old.

1/3 of Representatives over 60 represent districts with a median age of 35 or less.

There are 44 congressional districts in which the age of the Representative is more than double the median age of their constituents. Of these 44 Representatives, 38 won their last election by more than 60% of the vote. The following Representatives are particular outliers of this analysis.
 
The article included this table:

Who
C Age
D Age
Rep. Conyers (D-MI-13)
87
35
Rep. Young (R-AK-1)
83
33
Rep. Johnson (D-TX-30)
81
33
Rep. Roybal-Allard (D-CA-4)
75
30
Rep. Serrano (D-NY-15)
73
30
C age = Congressperson's age, D age = district members' median age

That table was composed in 2017. What has happened since:
  • Rep. Conyers (D-MI-13) -- resigned in 2017 (died in 2019) -- his successor, Rashida Tlaib, is 44
  • Rep. Young (R-AK-1) -- re-elected in 2020
  • Rep. Johnson (D-TX-30) -- re-elected in 2020
  • Rep. Roybal-Allard (D-CA-4) -- re-elected in 2020
  • Rep. Jose Serrano (D-NY-15) -- retired in 2020 -- his successor, Ritchie Torres, is 32
 
The American population is also aging; they prefer sticking with "old favorites" rather than trusting younger legislators pushing ideas they don't understand.
 
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The American population is also aging; they prefer sticking with "old favorites" rather than trusting younger legislators pushing ideas they don't understand.

I have to disagree with you on that. The youngest member of the new Congress will be Cawthorn, age 25 and he's a Republican. Out of the 7 youngest Senators, 5 are Republicans, (unless I miscounted ) The. youngest Senator is currently 40. I think one needs a lot of life experience before taking on some of these roles, so that's probably a good thing.

I don't think people vote due to a person's age. They vote for the people who they know and like. If that's what you meant by old favorites, then I tend to agree. While Feinstein and a few other older members may very well be losing it, age isn't the real problem imo. The real problem imo, is that we don't have term limits. That goes for judges as well as members of Congress. If we had term limits, we wouldn't have people in office for 40 years. We wouldn't have SCOTUS judges staying in office until they died, unless one died before they reached their life expectancy.

And, new ideas, whatever you meant by that, has little to do with age. Sanders is one of the older members of the Senate yet he is often considered the most progressive member of the Senate. Some of the younger members of the Senate are very conservative. New ideas aren't usually associated with conservatives. And new ideas don't necessarily equate with age. I despise ageism. It's often considered the last acceptable form of prejudice.

I simply don't like generalizations made based on a person's age. For fuck's sake, I had two patients who died in their 40s from Alzheimer's disease. While not as common as dementia in old age, early onset AD is a lot more common than most people realize. So, even if Senator Feinstein is showing signs of mental decline, can we stop with the ageism? I've known some very sharp people who were in their 90s, oddly enough, and some dull ones in their 20s. I once knew a 94 year old man who read a lot of books and could discuss them very intelligently. He was a very progressive atheist. He was amazing.

So, again, imo, the problem is that we allow people to stay in these positions for far two long. 12 years would be a good limit for anyone in Congress or as a justice. Lifetime appointments are insane, imo. The founders probably had no idea how many people wouldn't be willing to give up their power. Being in Congress shouldn't be a lifetime job, imo. But, it would be extremely difficult to make the changes we need due to the lack of cooperation from both sides, and the difficulty in changing the constitution, when that would be required.

In the meantime, we are going to have to accept that we have too many "old favorites" running the country. But hey. I just voted for Ossoff, who is in his 30s. He will be the youngest senator if elected, and I'm old. I have no problem with anyone's age, although I would have preferred voting for someone with more experience. I haven't found any of Ossoff's ideas to be "new". Even concepts like M4A or UHC aren't new ideas. Nixon even talked about UHC, but the concept wasn't at all popular at that time. Carter saw that we needed to do something about the environment during his term, but was met with resistance, and Nixon was the one who started the EPA. New ideas doesn't necessarily equate with age. Feinstein may be exhibiting signs of cognitive deterioration, but that doesn't mean that all old people are also in mental decline. Some old people start new hobbies, new businesses or new jobs when they are over 70.

Can we stop with the stereotyping of people based on age!
 
Reminds me of Ronald Reagan. Nancy was running things to keep his mental deficiency under wraps.
 
:p
The American population is also aging; they prefer sticking with "old favorites" rather than trusting younger legislators pushing ideas they don't understand.

I have to disagree with you on that. The youngest member of the new Congress will be Cawthorn, age 25 and he's a Republican. Out of the 7 youngest Senators, 5 are Republicans, (unless I miscounted ) The. youngest Senator is currently 40. I think one needs a lot of life experience before taking on some of these roles, so that's probably a good thing.

I don't think people vote due to a person's age. They vote for the people who they know and like. If that's what you meant by old favorites, then I tend to agree. While Feinstein and a few other older members may very well be losing it, age isn't the real problem imo. The real problem imo, is that we don't have term limits. That goes for judges as well as members of Congress. If we had term limits, we wouldn't have people in office for 40 years. We wouldn't have SCOTUS judges staying in office until they died, unless one died before they reached their life expectancy.

And, new ideas, whatever you meant by that, has little to do with age. Sanders is one of the older members of the Senate yet he is often considered the most progressive member of the Senate. Some of the younger members of the Senate are very conservative. New ideas aren't usually associated with conservatives. And new ideas don't necessarily equate with age. I despise ageism. It's often considered the last acceptable form of prejudice.

I simply don't like generalizations made based on a person's age. For fuck's sake, I had two patients who died in their 40s from Alzheimer's disease. While not as common as dementia in old age, early onset AD is a lot more common than most people realize. So, even if Senator Feinstein is showing signs of mental decline, can we stop with the ageism? I've known some very sharp people who were in their 90s, oddly enough, and some dull ones in their 20s. I once knew a 94 year old man who read a lot of books and could discuss them very intelligently. He was a very progressive atheist. He was amazing.

So, again, imo, the problem is that we allow people to stay in these positions for far two long. 12 years would be a good limit for anyone in Congress or as a justice. Lifetime appointments are insane, imo. The founders probably had no idea how many people wouldn't be willing to give up their power. Being in Congress shouldn't be a lifetime job, imo. But, it would be extremely difficult to make the changes we need due to the lack of cooperation from both sides, and the difficulty in changing the constitution, when that would be required.

In the meantime, we are going to have to accept that we have too many "old favorites" running the country. But hey. I just voted for Ossoff, who is in his 30s. He will be the youngest senator if elected, and I'm old. I have no problem with anyone's age, although I would have preferred voting for someone with more experience. I haven't found any of Ossoff's ideas to be "new". Even concepts like M4A or UHC aren't new ideas. Nixon even talked about UHC, but the concept wasn't at all popular at that time. Carter saw that we needed to do something about the environment during his term, but was met with resistance, and Nixon was the one who started the EPA. New ideas doesn't necessarily equate with age. Feinstein may be exhibiting signs of cognitive deterioration, but that doesn't mean that all old people are also in mental decline. Some old people start new hobbies, new businesses or new jobs when they are over 70.

Can we stop with the stereotyping of people based on age!

It's not literal age that's the problem.
 
The American population is also aging; they prefer sticking with "old favorites" rather than trusting younger legislators pushing ideas they don't understand.

Just because somebody is a Millennial or, even worse, a Zoomer, does not mean they necessarily have to push stupid ideas like socialism or "abolish police and prisons".
There are sensible people in those cohorts too, not everybody under 35 is an AOC clone.

By the way, the issue is not that other Congress critters don't understand ideas like socialism or abolishing police. It is that those ideas are genuinely stupid and that the likes of AOC and Cori Bush don't understand that.

About the thread topic, there is certainly a gerontocracy at work here. Joe Biden is the oldest president elect by more than 7 years. And his competition in the 2020 Democratic primary was similarly old with Bernie and Bloomchen even older than Biden. Out of 3,979 delegates, candidates under 65 collectively won only 30 and candidates older than 78 got 96% of all delegates.

Congressional leadership is hardly any less ancient. Nancy Pelosi is almost 81. Chuck Schumer seems relatively young by comparison - he just turned 70.

The election of the squad makes things worse, not better. By primarying people like Joe Crowley who are established and experienced but much younger and thus could have replaced the Pelosi generation, Democrats have lost a few potential congressional leaders to internal battles.
 
The American population is also aging; they prefer sticking with "old favorites" rather than trusting younger legislators pushing ideas they don't understand.

Just because somebody is a Millennial or, even worse, a Zoomer, does not mean they necessarily have to push stupid ideas like socialism or "abolish police and prisons".
There are sensible people in those cohorts too, not everybody under 35 is an AOC clone.

Fear not, I didn't forget the passionate young Neo-Nazis in my analysis. Both "parties" have their imbalances.
 
Feinstein has better mental acumen than Biden. This looks like an attempt to off her and replace her with a wokster..
 
I found the ages of top leadership:

Leadership | house.gov
  • Speaker: Rep. Nancy Pelosi - 80
  • Democrats:
    • Majority Leader: Rep. Steny Hoyer - 81
    • Majority Whip: Rep. James Clyburn - 80
  • Republicans:
    • Minority Leader: Rep. Kevin McCarthy - 55
    • Minority Whip: Rep. Steve Scalise - 55
U.S. Senate: Leadership & Officers
  • Republicans
    • Majority Leader: McConnell, Mitch - 78
    • Majority Whip: Thune, John - 59
  • Democrats
    • Minority Leader: Schumer, Charles E. - 70
    • Minority Whip: Durbin, Richard J. - 76

Presidents, VP's, Candidates
  • Donald Trump - 74
  • Mike Pence - 61
  • Joe Biden - 78
  • Kamala Harris - 56
  • Bernie Sanders - 79
  • Elizabeth Warren - 71
 
I found the ages of top leadership:

Leadership | house.gov
  • Speaker: Rep. Nancy Pelosi - 80
  • Democrats:
    • Majority Leader: Rep. Steny Hoyer - 81
    • Majority Whip: Rep. James Clyburn - 80
  • Republicans:
    • Minority Leader: Rep. Kevin McCarthy - 55
    • Minority Whip: Rep. Steve Scalise - 55
U.S. Senate: Leadership & Officers
  • Republicans
    • Majority Leader: McConnell, Mitch - 78
    • Majority Whip: Thune, John - 59
  • Democrats
    • Minority Leader: Schumer, Charles E. - 70
    • Minority Whip: Durbin, Richard J. - 76

Presidents, VP's, Candidates
  • Donald Trump - 74
  • Mike Pence - 61
  • Joe Biden - 78
  • Kamala Harris - 56
  • Bernie Sanders - 79
  • Elizabeth Warren - 71

Term limits for the house and senate!
 
As a senior, but I'm probably in the minority in say this: " If there is an limit already in place for the president (must be 35) then perhaps there should be a ceiling cap on age also...say 66. That would make them 70 after one term, and I honestly think that's old enough.
 
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