Sex Toys And Cultural Shifts

[ruby sparks]

This reminds me of a couple friends of ours. They were starting to get busy and the guy grabbed off the night stand what he thought was a tube of lube. He squeezed out a generous dollop onto his finger and applied it to his wife. She started screaming and ran to the bathroom. What he thought was lube was a tube of Carmex medicated lip balm. Needless to say, he didn't get any that night and several nights after.

Woman given erectile dysfunction cream for dry eye in prescription mix-up
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ctile-dysfunction-cream-dry-eye-prescription/

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[ruby sparks]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/18/style/sex-toy-ces.html

There is still a stigma regarding female pleasure as evidenced by this NYT piece.

A consumer technology innovation award was revoked from a company that makes a hands-free sex toy. The reason, some believe, is that the product is made for women.

A personal massager, a sperm counter, virtual-reality pornography, something described as “the world’s first ebook-driven sex toy”: All of these products have been exhibited at CES, the country’s largest consumer electronics convention. Two of them won awards there.

So Lora Haddock was surprised when Osé, a hands-free sex toy she designed with a team of engineers from Oregon State University, had its CES Innovation Award revoked after three weeks. In an email explaining the convention’s change of heart, which Ms. Haddock shared with The New York Times, a representative cited a clause in the awards’ terms and conditions that disqualified products deemed “immoral, obscene, indecent, profane or not in keeping with CTA’s image.” (CTA refers to the Consumer Technology Association, which runs CES.)

“I was shocked,” Ms. Haddock, 33, said, “and then I was angry.” The award “signified a shift in inclusion,” she said. “And then it was actually, no you’re obscene and you’re indecent and immoral, and you’re not innovative at all.”

Yes. The stigma still exists and indeed is not uncommon, and still, I think experienced more by women than men. The upside is that it is decreasing, by and large, it seems, in some places more than others. By and large, many of the continental europeans are way ahead of the pack in this regard. Again, some more than others.

It never ceases to amaze me as to why something as awesome, healthy, normal and fun as consensual sex between adults, or indeed masturbation, should attract stigma, especially given that it's usually done in private.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Up here in Toronto, they've actually opened up a sex doll brothel. You go in and bang one of their sex dolls.

There was a push in England a few years back to give sex dolls to prisoners.

Apparently, sex dolls are becoming more culturally acceptable.

I don't think it is. I think having sex with a sex doll is even more frowned upon than having sex with a human prostitute. But there's nothing we can do, legally, to stop it. There's no victim. Not that there's a victim in regular prostitution either. But the moralistic killjoy fuckwits who have managed to make prostitution illegal in so many parts of the world, have no legal recourse when it comes to the dolls. Even though, in Sweden we've managed to make having sex with child like dolls illegal, punished just as hard as having sex with a real human child. Yeah, I know.. insane. So I wouldn't put it past these loonies to try to stop this as well. But as it is now, I doubt it.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Up here in Toronto, they've actually opened up a sex doll brothel. You go in and bang one of their sex dolls.

There was a push in England a few years back to give sex dolls to prisoners.

Apparently, sex dolls are becoming more culturally acceptable.

I don't think it is. I think having sex with a sex doll is even more frowned upon than having sex with a human prostitute. But there's nothing we can do, legally, to stop it. There's no victim. Not that there's a victim in regular prostitution either. But the moralistic killjoy fuckwits who have managed to make prostitution illegal in so many parts of the world, have no legal recourse when it comes to the dolls. Even though, in Sweden we've managed to make having sex with child like dolls illegal, punished just as hard as having sex with a real human child. Yeah, I know.. insane. So I wouldn't put it past these loonies to try to stop this as well. But as it is now, I doubt it.

Well, what if a sex toy company sold dolls for people with a fetish for ... skinny midget adults? I would be kind of bigoted to say that people shouldn't be attracted to skinny midgets.

Then if they also had an unrelated business which sold children's clothing, that would be unrelated.

It is pretty dumb to have laws against victimless crimes just because it would be related to different crimes which have a victim.

 

[thebeave]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/18/style/sex-toy-ces.html

There is still a stigma regarding female pleasure as evidenced by this NYT piece.

A consumer technology innovation award was revoked from a company that makes a hands-free sex toy. The reason, some believe, is that the product is made for women.

A personal massager, a sperm counter, virtual-reality pornography, something described as “the world’s first ebook-driven sex toy”: All of these products have been exhibited at CES, the country’s largest consumer electronics convention. Two of them won awards there.

So Lora Haddock was surprised when Osé, a hands-free sex toy she designed with a team of engineers from Oregon State University, had its CES Innovation Award revoked after three weeks. In an email explaining the convention’s change of heart, which Ms. Haddock shared with The New York Times, a representative cited a clause in the awards’ terms and conditions that disqualified products deemed “immoral, obscene, indecent, profane or not in keeping with CTA’s image.” (CTA refers to the Consumer Technology Association, which runs CES.)

“I was shocked,” Ms. Haddock, 33, said, “and then I was angry.” The award “signified a shift in inclusion,” she said. “And then it was actually, no you’re obscene and you’re indecent and immoral, and you’re not innovative at all.”

I think not. If anything, there is more acceptance of female sex toys than male sex toys. Honestly, if a guy developed some new kind of whiz bang electronic "fleshlight" (see picture in Hide quote below if you don't know what that is), I think it would get shot down pretty quickly as a CES Innovation Award contender. Do you agree? As I understand it, there are women who promote female sex toys in the same way women would sell Tupperware in the 1950's, and such events are considered whimsical and "empowering" (god, I hate that word...). Yet if some guy was promoting and selling fleshlights in the same way, it would be widely ridiculed as a gathering of a bunch of loser incels who can't get themselves a real woman.

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[DrZoidberg]

Up here in Toronto, they've actually opened up a sex doll brothel. You go in and bang one of their sex dolls.

There was a push in England a few years back to give sex dolls to prisoners.

Apparently, sex dolls are becoming more culturally acceptable.

I don't think it is. I think having sex with a sex doll is even more frowned upon than having sex with a human prostitute. But there's nothing we can do, legally, to stop it. There's no victim. Not that there's a victim in regular prostitution either. But the moralistic killjoy fuckwits who have managed to make prostitution illegal in so many parts of the world, have no legal recourse when it comes to the dolls. Even though, in Sweden we've managed to make having sex with child like dolls illegal, punished just as hard as having sex with a real human child. Yeah, I know.. insane. So I wouldn't put it past these loonies to try to stop this as well. But as it is now, I doubt it.

Well, what if a sex toy company sold dolls for people with a fetish for ... skinny midget adults? I would be kind of bigoted to say that people shouldn't be attracted to skinny midgets.

Then if they also had an unrelated business which sold children's clothing, that would be unrelated.

It is pretty dumb to have laws against victimless crimes just because it would be related to different crimes which have a victim.

It becomes incredibly unfunny when people go to jail for what is supposed to be art, when it's obvious that there was no sexual intent with the piece. It has happened in Sweden. There was a famous Swedish case when a translator, curator and collector of manga was tried in court for child pornography. Luckily it was thrown out at the highest instance. Not because it was legal. But just because of the public outrage. It's still illegal here. In theory you could go to jail here for making child pornography stick figures.

But Sweden is a crazy place with insane laws around sexuality. There's a reason Sweden is "the rape capital" of the world, even though people aren't raped any more here than elsewhere.

 

[ruby sparks]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/18/style/sex-toy-ces.html

There is still a stigma regarding female pleasure as evidenced by this NYT piece.

I think not. If anything, there is more acceptance of female sex toys than male sex toys. Honestly, if a guy developed some new kind of whiz bang electronic "fleshlight" (see picture in Hide quote below if you don't know what that is), I think it would get shot down pretty quickly as a CES Innovation Award contender. Do you agree? As I understand it, there are women who promote female sex toys in the same way women would sell Tupperware in the 1950's, and such events are considered whimsical and "empowering" (god, I hate that word...). Yet if some guy was promoting and selling fleshlights in the same way, it would be widely ridiculed as a gathering of a bunch of loser incels who can't get themselves a real woman.

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You have a point there. Maybe I was wrong to say that I thought women suffered more stigma.

 

[TSwizzle]

As I understand it, there are women who promote female sex toys in the same way women would sell Tupperware in the 1950's, and such events are considered whimsical and "empowering" (god, I hate that word...).

In the UK, "Ann Summers" parties were quite common pre internet days. The women would get together, drink some wine, buy some gag gifts, vibrators and what not. Ann Summer stores can now be found all over the place.

By coincidence (honest !) I was staying in the Hard Rock Hotel in Vegas while they were hosting the porno industry Oscars. There were a ton of booths selling all kinds of toys. The place was packed.

 

[Gun Nut]

There's a pretty entertaining movie about the invention of the vibrator, Hysteria, 2011;

Imdb

It was part of a Law and Order episode in a sex crime by a doctor. The fact that in the 19th century doctors masturbated women as part of therapy.

To this day, my wife and I jokingly refer to getting off as "Getting the poison out". That expression came from that era.

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Well, there's another occupation to be put on the list world's worst jobs. If anyone thought mopping at the booths at a x-rated video arcade was disgusting, they can take comfort that somebody else has it worse.

Oh ya. I didn't even consider the fact that somebody needs to go and hose them down afterwards and scrub out all the nooks and crannies. How the hell do you explain that job to your family at Thanksgiving?

The dolls have inserts that can be replaced.... Wait... I mean that it would be great if they did, or something.. not that I would know... like, I think that's a good idea and maybe they do.

 

[Gun Nut]

This reminds me of a couple friends of ours. They were starting to get busy and the guy grabbed off the night stand what he thought was a tube of lube. He squeezed out a generous dollop onto his finger and applied it to his wife. She started screaming and ran to the bathroom. What he thought was lube was a tube of Carmex medicated lip balm. Needless to say, he didn't get any that night and several nights after.

Woman given erectile dysfunction cream for dry eye in prescription mix-up
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ctile-dysfunction-cream-dry-eye-prescription/

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don't tell me, let me guess... It made her cockeyed.

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Up here in Toronto, they've actually opened up a sex doll brothel. You go in and bang one of their sex dolls.

There was a push in England a few years back to give sex dolls to prisoners.

Apparently, sex dolls are becoming more culturally acceptable.

I don't think it is. I think having sex with a sex doll is even more frowned upon than having sex with a human prostitute. But there's nothing we can do, legally, to stop it. There's no victim. Not that there's a victim in regular prostitution either. But the moralistic killjoy fuckwits who have managed to make prostitution illegal in so many parts of the world, have no legal recourse when it comes to the dolls. Even though, in Sweden we've managed to make having sex with child like dolls illegal, punished just as hard as having sex with a real human child. Yeah, I know.. insane. So I wouldn't put it past these loonies to try to stop this as well. But as it is now, I doubt it.

I remember reading about some effort to curb the "effects" of pedophilia with these dolls... so, like the opposite of that.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Conjugal visits for prisoners would make more sense.

You misspelled pastors.

I have sever retinopathy. Posting and proofing is difficult even with the spell checker. I can click on the wrong word and not see it.

And no, large font does not help.

You apparently didn't read the quoted text. He wasn't really saying you misspelled anything. The quoted word was "prisoners".

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There are small clitoral vibrators to be worn during the day. I guess if you need a break during a stressful day hit the on switch for a few minutes.

Or for those really stressful days, go home to a sybian, which I'm surprised is also on amazon. That thing will shake your fillings loose if you set it too high. Looks like there isn't anything you can't get on amazon now.

Surprisingly, not long ago I was after a charger for my camera. Unfortunately, both the charger model number and the battery model number end in a--Amazon would only offer me the old version or third party offerings. (And with anything related to a lithium battery I'm very reluctant to go third party.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I think not. If anything, there is more acceptance of female sex toys than male sex toys. Honestly, if a guy developed some new kind of whiz bang electronic "fleshlight" (see picture in Hide quote below if you don't know what that is), I think it would get shot down pretty quickly as a CES Innovation Award contender. Do you agree? As I understand it, there are women who promote female sex toys in the same way women would sell Tupperware in the 1950's, and such events are considered whimsical and "empowering" (god, I hate that word...). Yet if some guy was promoting and selling fleshlights in the same way, it would be widely ridiculed as a gathering of a bunch of loser incels who can't get themselves a real woman.

Exactly. Sex toys for guys are seen as being for losers as a real guy would have a real woman. Never mind that they might have a real woman with medical issues or who is absent. Some women deploy, some take jobs that involve travel.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I remember reading about some effort to curb the "effects" of pedophilia with these dolls... so, like the opposite of that.

Yeah, somehow we think that the answer to pedophilia is to stamp out anything resembling it even if harmless. Sorry, but when it comes to normal sexuality we see the exact opposite--the more harmless options there are the fewer choose harmful ones.

Even for those who aren't into pedophilia there's the issue of cost. High grade sex toys are made out of material that isn't cheap, a smaller sex doll (I'm talking about the solid body designs, not blow-up ones) is going to be cheaper, not to mention easier to lift. Most older guys would not be able to pick up an adult-size solid-body sex doll.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Conjugal visits for prisoners would make more sense.

You misspelled pastors.

I have sever retinopathy. Posting and proofing is difficult even with the spell checker. I can click on the wrong word and not see it.

And no, large font does not help.

Umm... it was a play on saying pastors need conjugal visits.

 

[Rhea]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/18/style/sex-toy-ces.html

There is still a stigma regarding female pleasure as evidenced by this NYT piece.

I think not. If anything, there is more acceptance of female sex toys than male sex toys. Honestly, if a guy developed some new kind of whiz bang electronic "fleshlight" (see picture in Hide quote below if you don't know what that is), I think it would get shot down pretty quickly as a CES Innovation Award contender. Do you agree? As I understand it, there are women who promote female sex toys in the same way women would sell Tupperware in the 1950's, and such events are considered whimsical and "empowering" (god, I hate that word...). Yet if some guy was promoting and selling fleshlights in the same way, it would be widely ridiculed as a gathering of a bunch of loser incels who can't get themselves a real woman.

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I agree. I think it is much more acceptable for women to have toys (read: substitute for a partner) than men. And that’s foolish. The more okay it is for men to have substitutes, the safer women are.

 

[Bronzeage]

Mark Twain claimed the difference between intercourse and masturbation is the difference between lightning and lightning bug. Woody Allen said, "Masturbation is sex with a person who truly understands my needs."

While masturbation satisfies many various needs and is has no known harmful effects, save occasional skin abrasions, it is not a substitute for human contact. All the various aids and hardware available in the 21st century cannot make up the difference. If this were not true, the human race would have gone extinct a million years ago, or at least when the opposeable thumb became a working concept.

If masturbation has any advantage over real sexual contact with another human, it is that whatever fantasy scenario is conjured for the moment, it disappears after the moment. This cannot be said about a breathing sex partner. One of the peculiar things about humans is our very strong, but flexible sex drive. It serves us for so much more than procreation. It inspires us to put up with each other, just so we can get to the next time.

As with all other human endeavors, there's plenty of room to get it wrong, or at least out of balance.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Mark Twain claimed the difference between intercourse and masturbation is the difference between lightning and lightning bug. Woody Allen said, "Masturbation is sex with a person who truly understands my needs."

While masturbation satisfies many various needs and is has no known harmful effects, save occasional skin abrasions, it is not a substitute for human contact. All the various aids and hardware available in the 21st century cannot make up the difference. If this were not true, the human race would have gone extinct a million years ago, or at least when the opposeable thumb became a working concept.

If masturbation has any advantage over real sexual contact with another human, it is that whatever fantasy scenario is conjured for the moment, it disappears after the moment. This cannot be said about a breathing sex partner. One of the peculiar things about humans is our very strong, but flexible sex drive. It serves us for so much more than procreation. It inspires us to put up with each other, just so we can get to the next time.

As with all other human endeavors, there's plenty of room to get it wrong, or at least out of balance.

One big advantage--your hand is always there and doesn't say no.

 

[ZiprHead]

Mark Twain claimed the difference between intercourse and masturbation is the difference between lightning and lightning bug. Woody Allen said, "Masturbation is sex with a person who truly understands my needs."

While masturbation satisfies many various needs and is has no known harmful effects, save occasional skin abrasions, it is not a substitute for human contact. All the various aids and hardware available in the 21st century cannot make up the difference. If this were not true, the human race would have gone extinct a million years ago, or at least when the opposeable thumb became a working concept.

If masturbation has any advantage over real sexual contact with another human, it is that whatever fantasy scenario is conjured for the moment, it disappears after the moment. This cannot be said about a breathing sex partner. One of the peculiar things about humans is our very strong, but flexible sex drive. It serves us for so much more than procreation. It inspires us to put up with each other, just so we can get to the next time.

As with all other human endeavors, there's plenty of room to get it wrong, or at least out of balance.

One big advantage--your hand is always there and doesn't say no.

It can... in an actually quite condescending way.