Sick Fucks: Philly Police grab black toddler from SUV after destroying vehicle and injuring mom and cousin for no reason, use photo as propaganda

[Loren Pechtel]

I think turning off body cameras without permission should mean an automatic dismissal from the police force.

If they actually turn it off, I agree.

The problem is twofold:

1) Current power supplies are too big to support recording for a whole shift and then some. In practice cops turn on their cameras at an incident. Mistakes will be made. I believe this could be addressed but it would require new cameras. Put transmitters (say, bluetooth) in police cars that tell the camera to shut up. Lose the signal, the camera comes on--ideally, make it come on 20 seconds before it loses the signal. (No, you don't need time travel. You can actually run the camera all day with current batteries, the limit is in storing it. Leave the camera running and encoding the video but throw it away when you run out of memory. When you turn on the camera that encoded video is written out. This is nothing novel, that's how parked incident recording in dashcams works.)

2) There are times cameras should be turned off. Think a cop is going to be welcome in a public bathroom with their camera running? And there are plenty of things a cop rolls up on that recording probably shouldn't be done. They need to be able to turn off the camera in such cases. There will be occasional cases where the situation changes. (They roll up on a naked rape victim, while investigating it turns out the rapist was hiding rather than gone.)

1: backbuffers are great. Current body cams should have them. Older cameras before the bodycams era did.

2. Put the big fucking babies in diapers for all I care. The camera stays on. And activate storage dump on many events: getting out the car, drawing the weapon, drawing the pepper spray, getting a call.

I don't think you understand my point #2. It's situations where others would object to the cameras that I'm talking about. And there's no practical storage dump like you envision--that takes too much bandwidth.

 

[Jarhyn]

1: backbuffers are great. Current body cams should have them. Older cameras before the bodycams era did.

2. Put the big fucking babies in diapers for all I care. The camera stays on. And activate storage dump on many events: getting out the car, drawing the weapon, drawing the pepper spray, getting a call.

I don't think you understand my point #2. It's situations where others would object to the cameras that I'm talking about. And there's no practical storage dump like you envision--that takes too much bandwidth.

No. It doesn't. Cameras have a rolling RAM buffer and a record NVM. The way any action cam you have ever seen works is it dumps the RAM to NVM when you push a button and then keeps doing that for another minute or two after. That's the way they all work. The only difference necessary is a low-power recieved listening to events from a detector switch that triggers RAM->NVM.

it takes less than 32 bits of data received to communicate the need to dump to NVM and exactly 0 to actually do it because NVM is just a fucking SD card on the same PCB as the RAM. Because the damn thing doesn't even have a screen, there will be plenty of battery to spare

Edit: also, if a cop records inside a bathroom, and that footage gets released, then hold whoever leaked it as liable. It's not as if these things don't have a strong chain of custody.

Imagine, what would happen to whoever releases bodycams footage in an unauthorized manner containing footage of police abuse. Whoever leaked would be fired in an instant. All we have to do is treat this footage of bathroom activities, if released, with similar gusto.

 

[ZiprHead]

I think turning off body cameras without permission should mean an automatic dismissal from the police force.

If they actually turn it off, I agree.

The problem is twofold:

1) Current power supplies are too big to support recording for a whole shift and then some. In practice cops turn on their cameras at an incident. Mistakes will be made. I believe this could be addressed but it would require new cameras. Put transmitters (say, bluetooth) in police cars that tell the camera to shut up. Lose the signal, the camera comes on--ideally, make it come on 20 seconds before it loses the signal. (No, you don't need time travel. You can actually run the camera all day with current batteries, the limit is in storing it. Leave the camera running and encoding the video but throw it away when you run out of memory. When you turn on the camera that encoded video is written out. This is nothing novel, that's how parked incident recording in dashcams works.)

Axon Bodycam 3 specifications:

VIDEO RESOLUTION: 1080,720,480.
BATTERY LIFE: 12 hours.
STORAGE: 64 GB.
PRE-EVENT BUFFER: Configurable.
IP RATING: IP67.
US MILITARY STANDARD: MIL-STD-810G.
DROP TEST: 6 feet.
OPERATING TEMPERATURE: -20 C to 50 C.

Is this another example of you pulling facts out of your hind quarters?

 

[Jarhyn]

I think turning off body cameras without permission should mean an automatic dismissal from the police force.

If they actually turn it off, I agree.

The problem is twofold:

1) Current power supplies are too big to support recording for a whole shift and then some. In practice cops turn on their cameras at an incident. Mistakes will be made. I believe this could be addressed but it would require new cameras. Put transmitters (say, bluetooth) in police cars that tell the camera to shut up. Lose the signal, the camera comes on--ideally, make it come on 20 seconds before it loses the signal. (No, you don't need time travel. You can actually run the camera all day with current batteries, the limit is in storing it. Leave the camera running and encoding the video but throw it away when you run out of memory. When you turn on the camera that encoded video is written out. This is nothing novel, that's how parked incident recording in dashcams works.)

Axon Bodycam 3 specifications:

VIDEO RESOLUTION: 1080,720,480.
BATTERY LIFE: 12 hours.
STORAGE: 64 GB.
PRE-EVENT BUFFER: Configurable.
IP RATING: IP67.
US MILITARY STANDARD: MIL-STD-810G.
DROP TEST: 6 feet.
OPERATING TEMPERATURE: -20 C to 50 C.

Is this another example of you pulling facts out of your hind quarters?

I honestly don't know why he is arguing with someone whose job it is to actually design firmware feature sets. Like, this is my fucking job.

In fact, this camera you show HAS a pre-event buffer. "It wasn't recording" is not an excuse!

The absence of bodycams video is 100% a reason to believe whatever anyone else has to say about the incident over the officer.

Complainant refers to the fact that satan himself came up through a portal in the officer's anus and sucked the officer's dick in front of a bus of nuns before the officer raped the corpse of whoever they shot? Bodycams is off? Well, that's what happened I guess! Enjoy your prison and explaining why you can summon the devil himself from your anal fissure!

 

[laughing dog]

I think turning off body cameras without permission should mean an automatic dismissal from the police force.

If they actually turn it off, I agree.

The problem is twofold:

1) Current power supplies are too big to support recording for a whole shift and then some. In practice cops turn on their cameras at an incident. Mistakes will be made. I believe this could be addressed but it would require new cameras. Put transmitters (say, bluetooth) in police cars that tell the camera to shut up. Lose the signal, the camera comes on--ideally, make it come on 20 seconds before it loses the signal. (No, you don't need time travel. You can actually run the camera all day with current batteries, the limit is in storing it. Leave the camera running and encoding the video but throw it away when you run out of memory. When you turn on the camera that encoded video is written out. This is nothing novel, that's how parked incident recording in dashcams works.)

I believe the batteries are good for up to 12 hours (as someone else attested to). So, I think your concern is based on a lack of information.

2) There are times cameras should be turned off. Think a cop is going to be welcome in a public bathroom with their camera running?

I think most people do not give a rats ass.

And there are plenty of things a cop rolls up on that recording probably shouldn't be done. They need to be able to turn off the camera in such cases. There will be occasional cases where the situation changes. (They roll up on a naked rape victim, while investigating it turns out the rapist was hiding rather than gone.)

Once you give the police "outs" they will expand them. There would be nothing stopping any police officer from claiming that they thought the situation they were coming into was an "out".

Sorry, I think if they turn it off while on duty, they are fired. They can have a reinstatement procedure, but they keeping the camera on should be a part of their job description.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

1: backbuffers are great. Current body cams should have them. Older cameras before the bodycams era did.

2. Put the big fucking babies in diapers for all I care. The camera stays on. And activate storage dump on many events: getting out the car, drawing the weapon, drawing the pepper spray, getting a call.

I don't think you understand my point #2. It's situations where others would object to the cameras that I'm talking about. And there's no practical storage dump like you envision--that takes too much bandwidth.

No. It doesn't. Cameras have a rolling RAM buffer and a record NVM. The way any action cam you have ever seen works is it dumps the RAM to NVM when you push a button and then keeps doing that for another minute or two after. That's the way they all work. The only difference necessary is a low-power recieved listening to events from a detector switch that triggers RAM->NVM.

Ok, I understand--start saving the data. I was thinking of somehow trying to copy off the data--something completely impractical.

Edit: also, if a cop records inside a bathroom, and that footage gets released, then hold whoever leaked it as liable. It's not as if these things don't have a strong chain of custody.

Sorry, but that's not practical. Catching the guy who reads the data is pretty hard to do. (Digital signatures ensure it hasn't been tampered with, but reading isn't tampering.)

Imagine, what would happen to whoever releases bodycams footage in an unauthorized manner containing footage of police abuse. Whoever leaked would be fired in an instant. All we have to do is treat this footage of bathroom activities, if released, with similar gusto.

You think they would be discovered?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I think turning off body cameras without permission should mean an automatic dismissal from the police force.

If they actually turn it off, I agree.

The problem is twofold:

1) Current power supplies are too big to support recording for a whole shift and then some. In practice cops turn on their cameras at an incident. Mistakes will be made. I believe this could be addressed but it would require new cameras. Put transmitters (say, bluetooth) in police cars that tell the camera to shut up. Lose the signal, the camera comes on--ideally, make it come on 20 seconds before it loses the signal. (No, you don't need time travel. You can actually run the camera all day with current batteries, the limit is in storing it. Leave the camera running and encoding the video but throw it away when you run out of memory. When you turn on the camera that encoded video is written out. This is nothing novel, that's how parked incident recording in dashcams works.)

Axon Bodycam 3 specifications:

VIDEO RESOLUTION: 1080,720,480.
BATTERY LIFE: 12 hours.
STORAGE: 64 GB.
PRE-EVENT BUFFER: Configurable.
IP RATING: IP67.
US MILITARY STANDARD: MIL-STD-810G.
DROP TEST: 6 feet.
OPERATING TEMPERATURE: -20 C to 50 C.

Is this another example of you pulling facts out of your hind quarters?

Maybe it's gotten better since the last I looked at it, but I suspect a gotcha here--battery life will depend on the recording format. That camera goes down to 480 resolution, you probably only get the required battery life at that resolution. 480 isn't going to show the details well at all.

 

[Jarhyn]

No. It doesn't. Cameras have a rolling RAM buffer and a record NVM. The way any action cam you have ever seen works is it dumps the RAM to NVM when you push a button and then keeps doing that for another minute or two after. That's the way they all work. The only difference necessary is a low-power recieved listening to events from a detector switch that triggers RAM->NVM.

Ok, I understand--start saving the data. I was thinking of somehow trying to copy off the data--something completely impractical.

Edit: also, if a cop records inside a bathroom, and that footage gets released, then hold whoever leaked it as liable. It's not as if these things don't have a strong chain of custody.

Sorry, but that's not practical. Catching the guy who reads the data is pretty hard to do. (Digital signatures ensure it hasn't been tampered with, but reading isn't tampering.)

Imagine, what would happen to whoever releases bodycams footage in an unauthorized manner containing footage of police abuse. Whoever leaked would be fired in an instant. All we have to do is treat this footage of bathroom activities, if released, with similar gusto.

You think they would be discovered?

Yes. You do realize steganographic watermarking is available, right? It should be possible to track a video down pretty quickly.

Granted, this is the age of the internet. A police peep cam show goes up and people will have the actual bathroom tracked down in a day or two.